:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Offseason Thread [NFC CHAMPIONS]:::

[red80]

Davis is straight awful. The worst part about it is the waste of tallent. He's got this God given gift and he's soft as ****. He just looks scared out there.

chancellor straight took his soul with those hits

for real

i remember the day i met vernon at niketown in las vegas. i couldn't believe how much of a genetic freak dude was in person. i've met a lot of football players, and i was blown away by this dude's combination of stature and build. i couldn't believe a human being that big runs a 4.3

. he is literally built like one of those greek statues. dude is diced up on another level. what a ******* waste.

 

[moe200069]

Davis is straight awful. The worst part about it is the waste of tallent. He's got this God given gift and he's soft as ****. He just looks scared out there.

chancellor straight took his soul with those hits

I can't recall seeing one player just singlehandedly destroying the future of another's in the way that kam has done VD's

speaking of TE, what's up with busta Anderson?

 

[red80]

Busta is on the injured reserve.

I forgot about Jerome Simpson. We really need to start utilizing this speed. We got all these guys that can go deep, but we aren't utilizing them. I don't give a **** if we have to go max protection with only 2 wide receivers. We have to take those shots.

 

[hyper cutter]

Honestly Vernon is still one of my fave players. He and Adrian Peterson were everybody's ideal body types back in the day too haha

I just think his mind is isn't in football anymore and who can blame him. It's not the best job in the world. And he got everything he could get out of it and more now. It's all bonus from here on out and he's just clocking in and out now. I get it.

Wouldn't be surprised if he retires soon or opens up a Jamba inside Levis and uses marketing like if he can survive Kam's hit with Jamba Juice then you can too.

 

[red80]

What I would give to have his job. **** Vernon. I'm cut from the same cloth as dudes like Bill Romanowski. I would leave it all on the field for free.

Speaking of Romo, listen to him defend Kap and drop knowledge earlier:

 

 

[DonRafa]

red80 real talk, what I wouldn't don't play ball for a living. Hell, even just suit up one more time [emoji]128546[/emoji]

the fact that people take it for granted ******* disgusts me. ungrateful bastardized

 

[johnson1]

Romo knows what he is talking about there

I think Kaep will bounce back this week. I'm rolling with him on my fantasy team as a bye week sub for Tom Brady.

 

[red80]

with how horrible the line play has been across the NFL, premium offensive linemen might go quicker than usual in this year's draft.

Offensive line play this year is the worst its been in a looooooooooong time. This is a pretty good article speaking on the subject.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

[h1]NFL's 'O-line epidemic' threatens its QB star system[/h1]  
Ben Roethlisberger  rides a cart into the locker room, his face contorted in pain.Tony Romo  supports his crumpled shoulder with a sling. Drew Brees  misses his second start in 11 years. Matthew Stafford's ribs and arms are battered. Andrew Luck  is taking practice days off to nurse his ravaged body.

NFL quarterbacks took a beating in the first three weeks of the season, so much so that a long-simmering issue has been elevated into mainstream discussion. Offensive line play has deteriorated in a way that's apparent to both to the expert and novice eye, endangering the league's quarterback star system and threatening the aesthetic appeal of the game.

The situation has descended into an "epidemic," Hall of Fame executive Bill Polian said recently on ESPN, and there are no easy solutions.

"It's a sad state of affairs," Polian said. "And if it keeps up, we're going to be talking about backup quarterbacks playing a lot. Because when you've got problems with the offensive line, you get the quarterback on his back."

The NFL has already seen 38 different starting quarterbacks through the first 48 games of 2015, its second-highest total in the past 15 seasons, per the Elias Sports Bureau. Failures in pass protection are not the only cause -- Jay Cutler, for example, pulled his hamstring while chasing an interception return -- but those who follow the sport closely are convinced the injuries reflect a collapse of reliable blocking skills across the board.

"I've been harping on that for two years," said Matt Williamson, who scouts the NFL for ESPN. "I don't think the average fan realizes what an O-line shortage there is now. There are very few teams with lines that have had continuity, and there's certainly less Hall of Fame-level guys playing right now. You don't look around and see many of the Jonathan Ogden, Orlando Pace and Walter Jones types anymore."

Let's take a closer look at where line play is in the league, how it got there and what -- if anything -- can be done.

The facts

The performance of offensive linemen is as difficult to quantify as anything in football, and the most popular statistic -- sacks allowed -- is arbitrary. But a review of uniform advanced metrics reveals a notable decline in recent years.

Between 2009 and 2012, NFL quarterbacks were pressured -- defined by ESPN Stats & Information as sacked, hit or put under duress -- on 22.3 percent of their dropbacks.

That figure has risen to 25.6 since the start of 2013, an increase that works out to about 1.25 additional pressures per game, based on 600 dropbacks a year.

Along with allowing added pressure, offensive lines so far this season are providing less running room and taking more penalties than they did in the same stretch of time last season.

Average rushing yards before contact has dropped eight percent, from 2.35 yards per rush during the first three weeks of 2014 to 2.19 yards now. Accepted penalties for either holding or false starts, meanwhile, have risen 20 percent from a total of 219 during the first three weeks of last season to 275.

Those numbers are no surprise to offensive line coaches and longtime observers of the position who noted the trend long before this season's run of quarterback injuries.

"There's definitely something to it," said retired guard Steve Hutchinson, whom many regard as a future Hall of Fame inductee. "No one in the game can stick their head in the sand and say it's not happening."

The cause

Hutchinson, who is now a college football analyst for Fox Sports, traces the issue to the rise of the spread offense at the high school and college level. In most cases, the scheme asks offensive linemen to operate out of a two-point stance, fundamentally changing their approach and limiting their technique.

Steve Hutchinson, who played guard for 12 NFL seasons, traces the problems with O-line play at the NFL level to the rise of spread offenses in high schools and colleges. AP Photo/John Froschauer

"You watch football at most levels now," Hutchinson said, "and in the running game, nobody knows how to attack and snap their hips. Everything is stand up, turn sideways and run. That's the zone scheme. It's push and pester, just kind of get in somebody's way, and let the running back find the crease. There's no more moving the line of scrimmage, no more establishing the line, no more wearing defenses out by the fourth quarter."

In pass protection, Hutchinson surmises, spread linemen "are just told to get in front of a guy and don't get beat clean." Some level of pressure is expected, he said, leaving it to quarterbacks to release the ball or extend the play before a sack occurs.

That approach already appears to have hit the NFL level. From 2009 to 2012, quarterbacks under pressure took an average of 3.45 seconds to release the ball. Since 2013, that number has dropped to 3.35 seconds.

"If that's what they're going to do," said retired lineman LeCharles Bentley, "then they're just going to keep getting quarterbacks hurt. It is what it is. If you keep asking a quarterback to do non-quarterback things, they get hurt."

When these spread lineman arrive in the NFL, teams have a more limited amount of time to teach them pro-level technique. Indeed, Polian has targeted the NFL's collective bargaining agreement (CBA) as the root problem.

Enacted in 2011, the CBA significantly limits offseason practice time and has cut back on training camp time as well. The general split of the numbers we've discussed help support Polian's point, and those in the game can rattle off the drills, teaching and development that no longer occurs.

Former NFL center Hank Fraley, who is now an assistant offensive line coach for the Minnesota Vikings, recalled a time when linemen reported to team facilities in March to begin working on technique.

"You had time to work with the bags, to practice sliding and that kind of thing," Fraley said. "You weren't necessarily being physical about it, but just working that technique and timing. You definitely lose some of that now. There just isn't the opportunity to do that. You don't have things like bag punching going on. They don't report until April, and when they do, you're very limited with what you can do with them, and that throws off development for sure. Now, guys might have to find places to do that on their own."

Bentley operates one such facility. O-line Performance, based in Chandler, Arizona, has filled in the offseason technique gap for some players. But Bentley said that extra work alone is not a full solution.

"Anything that's a learned skill requires volume," he said. "But the problem with football in general is you can't work in volume. You can't take a guy out there and bang his head over and over again because the body breaks down."

Hutchinson said he understands Polian's point about the CBA and knows "you can't get as good at something with less reps." But, he said, "you can't blame the weakness of a whole area on just one thing."

He added: "Fifty percent of a football practice at training camp is a waste of time. You can double the reps on things you really need to work on and take out the other stuff. But I just think teams are looking at the situation with guys coming up from college and figure there is no use paddling upstream.

"If you're getting guys that, since the day they started playing in pee wee, never got in a three-point stance and never really did any drive blocking, if all they have done is just run sideways and pushed people, then you're not going to get it turned around at the pro level."

The fix

LeCharles Bentley, a former Pro Bowl center who's now retired, thinks none of the drills at the NFL combine help reveal offensive linemen who can succeed at the pro level. Otto Greule Jr/Getty Images

What can be done? Polian has championed the idea of a developmental league  that would provide opportunities for in-game training. The NFL, however, just completed its eighth offseason since shuttering NFL Europe and there are no known plans to replace it.

The CBA, of course, doesn't expire until after the 2020 season. It seems unlikely that players will want to give back their offseason as part of the next agreement. So any solutions likely have to be developed within the confines of the current CBA structure.

To avoid "paddling upstream," Hutchinson envisions a day when the NFL draws its linemen from the handful of schools that run pro-style offenses or whose coaches are known to be teaching NFL-necessary technique. Bentley, meanwhile, thinks the NFL must overhaul the way it scouts for offensive linemen and the metrics it uses to evaluate them.

In Bentley's view, none of the drills at the NFL's annual scouting combine will help reveal offensive linemen who can succeed at the pro level.

"What's happened at offensive line positions is players have evolved from physical guys to guys that physically look impressive. They're running faster and lifting more weights because that's what they'll have to do at the combine. But the fact is, much of what we're measuring isn't going to translate into high-level performance.

"There are a lot of players out there who can play and should play in the NFL," he added. "The problem is what they want, and what they deem to be an offensive lineman in 2015, they don't fit that box. They're just not 6-foot-7 and running the 40 in 4.6 seconds."

Bentley has developed his own set of metrics, which he said are proprietary to O-line Performance. But it's safe to say that they involve identifying less physically appealing prospects who have demonstrated the strength and power to defeat defenders rather than just get in their way.

Otherwise, there seems no way out of the box. The NFL is at 38 starting quarterbacks already -- with 208 games left to play.

 

[hyper cutter]

In all honesty I think the game of football as the NFL sells it is showing the seams and their popping a little. Especially over the last bunch of years with everything becoming more visible and the shortcomings becoming more obvious.

There are fundamental flaws in the game. I appreciate the meta-game but the pieces or players aren't up to the task to execute that meta-game plan. Between crimes and injuries it's just not a sustainable sport.

As far as the business goes sure people are attracted to pieces of the NFL product but if you get down to the bottom of it it isn't actually the sport as we see it that people want. People just want something to get together for on Sunday. Most people don't even know the rules but prepare to gather round that day every week.

Anyway the NFL has always been my least favorite league and football my least favorite sport. But man I love my lovable brain dead Niners. There's something special about people willing to bang their craniums and tear their ligaments for a small promise of legend status in a town they might not even be from.

 

[nothingtol0se]

what in the actual ****?

 

[ii flash ii]

at Baalke

Gore said he straight up got offered the back up role on a one year contract

 

[thasoleful1]

at Baalke

Gore said he straight up got offered the back up role on a one year contract

At least Baalke told him straight up rather then lie and end up playing Hyde more than Gore. It was bound to happen even if Gore stayed. Gore wanted the same role with no legit backup and he got it with the Colts

 

[ii flash ii]

Nah, according to Gore... He said that he would rather have competed for the job and have Hyde beat him out for the starting RB, but that wasn't an option

He said he also understands that he can't be on top forever but he would rather someone beat him out then just step down on someone's behalf

It was either accept a backup role or nothing

 

[black59razor]

bruh dude stays ready to report lol 



i need to be a little less inconspicuous 

 

[lightweight champion]

Who keeps reporting red?

 

[hyper cutter]

At least Baalke told him straight up rather then lie and end up playing Hyde more than Gore. It was bound to happen even if Gore stayed. Gore wanted the same role with no legit backup and he got it with the Colts

baalke told him he would resign him in december. but never told him he wouldn't resign him as anything other than a back up. tomsula was the messenger who said that was the deal. baalke never spoke to him about that.

so there's lack of communication and puhsee **** going on.

 

[black59razor]

Who keeps reporting red?

some lurking nerd who has a personal vendetta against me.

 

[black59razor]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ks-struggles-do-the-49ers-have-a-franchise-qb

A MUST READ for any niner fan who is concerned with Kaepernick. Too many videos to post on here. Unlike many of the talking heads in the media, Bucky Brooks is a respectable football pundit who analyzes the game from a schematic and strategic perspective.

 

[oaklandca]

 
Kap will be back. I know he is in a slump, but what i dont get is why is he getting all this heat. Not only from 49ers fans, but also the media. Saying "he sucks now", "we should move on" "Kap is a bust." Yada yada.

I know he is doing bad but this is not the end of the road, it cant be. Colin is the person to come back. Let me just say this, not to compare 49ers situation with theirs, but there is a QB in the NFL "future of the NFL" who statistically is doing worse than Kap. That team was an easy super bowl pick. But i dont see them being talked about as being doomed. Why always the 49ers. 

Well be alright, lets get this win from the Packers.

#ForeverFaithful

It's not the end of the road. This team will look different come week 8. As much **** as I give Kaep it's still really early and better to experience this now than later. I get on him a lot because he gets scared when he doesn't need to be scared. He has quiet feet. When he builds a rhythm and cadence things will open up. 

The Cardinals are in a good space, but they aren't invincible. 

 

[Los Angeles]

Im ready!

 

[DonRafa]

game day! [emoji]128588[/emoji][emoji]127997[/emoji]

 

[nothingtol0se]

just don't let it be a blowout pls

 

[noblekane]

Hyped for today. Dont know if we win but it cant get any worse than the last two weeks

 

[aNYone]

Ready

 

[black59razor]

WIN OR LOSE, WE STAY READY IN THIS THREAD

SHOTS FIRED AT EVERY TEAM THREAD! ESPECIALLY YOU SQUARES WHO KEEP REPORTING ME!
 

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