:::[Official] San Francisco 49ers 2024 Offseason Thread [NFC CHAMPIONS]:::

Should UnicornHunter’s faithful card be revoked for his blasphemous Patrick Willis comments?

  • Yes permanently

    Votes: 31 79.5%

  • Yes temporarily

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • No

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Total voters
    39
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BenTrill said:
Brooks over tank in the nickel?
 
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only reason i put brooks there is because nobody has taken the job from him. until someone forces their way in there, i'll give him the nod. hopefully tank or eli step up.
22stylez said:
You were suppose to do a scouting report for us on o'Neil "after the draft"....
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lol. hard to get excited about watching the cleveland browns all-22 footage. we still got 119 days.  
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btw I have watched a tiny bit of cleveland brown's all-22, and one thing i did notice was a lot of cover-1 man concepts.

 we haven't ran true cover-1 man concepts around here in a long time. out of all the safeties on the roster, i think jimmie ward is best suited to play the centerfielder in this type of coverage since you want a guy that can cover a lot of ground and close the distance in a hurry. jimmie also did a lot of this at NIU. this could be why baalke was hinting at him transitioning back to safety.
 
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:lol: I was just waiting to hear you dread watching the Browns on defense :rofl: man I hope Tartt and Ward flourish man. Chancellor/Thomas type duo
 
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Jimmie and Tartt are tailormade to play in the type of scheme Seattle runs. We could definitely see a variation of that, but then where do you put Reid? Bethea can be moved, but do you want to move Reid as well?
 
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Really surprised to see Redmond possibly being a day 1 starter. He that good? I hope DJ starts. I too love tall lanky corners ala Seattle
 
I can definitely see Tartt play that hybrid safety/linebacker role with Reid/ward on the field. I can see one of our young safeties beat out Bethea and he possibly be the surprise cut after preseason
 
Red your thoughts on Reid? Fits our scheme? Not living up to his potential? Still a solid starter for us? Better than ward/Tartt? I have mixed feelings on Reid.
 
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22stylez said:
Red your thoughts on Reid? Fits our scheme? Not living up to his potential? Still a solid starter for us? Better than ward/Tartt? I have mixed feelings on Reid.
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The injuries have really impacted his career. I think the recurring concussion issues he dealt with early on have caused him to play apprehensive and tentative. You can't do that in this game.

I think he was trying to do too much in 2014, and he didn't ever seem comfortable in Mangini's defense. Way too much stuff going on in Mangini's defense to get comfortable in just one season.

We'll see how he fits in Jim O'Neil's defense.
 
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good read.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/5/1/11548550/the-49ers-off-season-so-far-reading-between-the-lines
 [h4]2. The selection of cornerbacks in rounds 3 & 4[/h4]
I have to admit: I found myself scratching my head about these picks. Both seemed ‘off’ somehow, and for different reasons. Add to that the 49ers’ surprising attempts to pursue expensive free agents only at CB this offseason (Sean Smith, Josh Norman). Clearly, I was missing something here.

Then after reading between the lines of a Baalke interview I became convinced of this: my idea of needs-based offseason priorities for the defense was entirely wrong because it was based on an "old" vision for our defense. What Fangio installed and Tomsula/Mangini ultimately retained after early losses last year was a philosophy that placed ‘safe’ above ‘attacking’. In that Fangio approach, based on what is known as ‘pattern-matching’, a Cover 4 shell is used — primarily to reduce risk. In that philosophy it is entirely possible to work with mediocre talent in the secondary, which is what we’ve had. The ‘push’ up front was largely driven/complemented by exceptional linebackers (see: Fangio’s history in New Orleans).

But O’Neil is not Fangio. O’Neil is an acolyte of the Ryan tree. The philosophy and coaching pedigree are different. O’Neil was first coached by Pettine’s dad in high school, then remained a good soldier for Pettine under Rex Ryan and followed him to the Bills and Browns. He’s a field general, which is the perfect temperament for working under Chip Kelly but, by the same token, I doubt O’Neil would ever actually tinker with the approach he learned under the Pettine/Ryan philosophy. It’s what he knows.

Under that "46" philosophy the guiding principle is to aggressively overwhelm the offense with pressure from numbers. Originally six men lined up at of near the line (4 DL, two LB) and two more stood just behind (SS and MLB). But after a year or two of initial success (1985-86) the Bears got killed by WC offenses that exploited the large space vacated behind the eight men in the box. Short passes turned into large gains.

For a Cover One shell to work in a Ryan defense one needs (a) exceptional man corners who can press and (b) some unpredictability about who is actually going to rush the passer and who is going to cover who. No doubt influenced by LeBeau's zone blitz concepts, modern versions of the Ryan defense utilize two main elements to accomplish this goal: hybrid defenders that line up all over the place and play different roles from play to play, and at least one really good corner on an island. At the Jets, Pettine had Darelle Revis. In Cleveland O’Neil had Joe Haden his first year. With Haden, the Browns were a top six defense against the pass (though not so good against the run).

Now here’s the good part: when Haden was hurt last year, the Pettine/O’Neil defense completely collapsed. There was no depth. O’Neil was derided in the Cleveland press as ‘a deer in the headlights’. In Buffalo, much the same thing happened with Rex Ryan, though to a lesser degree. In Rex Ryan’s case it became a full-blown disaster after his DBs underperformed and he suddenly became gun-shy about sending his high-priced rushers at the QB. Said rushers’ stats suffered, they became unhappy and voila, they gave interviews to the press. Mario Williams, the $100 million-dollar man, was released at the end of the season.

I mention all these recent traumas to the Ryan coaching clan to construct a ‘why’ for the urgency that O’Neil presumably has expressed to Baalke about upgrading and creating quality depth at CB. Although the first and fifth rounds went (very nicely) to the trenches, Trent was forced to use the only two picks between those rounds on corners — one a fast twitch guy for the slot (only Ward can currently do that job) and one long-ish press corner for the outside (Robinson, the red-flag character-issue guy). It’s not as if crowds of top CB talent are just loitering around there for you at 133 in the draft. Conversely the newly reduced emphasis on linebackers may have allowed Trent to ignore ILB altogether in this draft.

I should add that Baalke did a tremendous job in acquiring players this week, given the urgent need to change personnel for scheme AND bolster the trenches. Most of his picks were outside the top 140. There are 32 teams out there. Yet, other than signing a vet to provide depth at Center (Silatolu?) I think the trenches are no longer a huge area of concern on this team.
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Kinda feel bad to hear former niner Ricardo Lockette having to retire even though he played for seatlle the last few years, crazy what happened to him.
 
yeah, as much as I'd like to see him make the team, I can't think of anyones spot he could take.
 
He looked like a more polished mike alstott to me .. thought he would flourish with chip...

Is this just the start of the retirement party like last year
 
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