Shooting at Columbia Mall in MD. 3 dead

Electronics in guns is the most ridiculous idea ever.

To use your car example..... Electronics are the most common thing to go wrong in vehicles. Electronics are sensitive to extreme heat and cold.... Placing an electronic device in a personal defense firearm could easily cost an innocent person their life when trying to defend themselves from an attacker.

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RealShoeMice said:

Flaw in your plan..using this scenario say guns get chips in them...dude comes shoot up the the mall and first person he kills is the armed security...now no one can pick up this gun and potentially use it to stop the bad person trying to kill innocent people

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Flaw in your plan...mall cops aren't armed.

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I went to a mall a few weeks before Christmas and they had a real cop on duty as mall security.

Wait what? People actually entertaining the idea? Like there are no real life criminal hackers out there? Like it's not going to depend on an energy source to keep them running? LoL ..

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Rico x Hood said:

No I do agree laws should be changed...if they're flawed. You can look up my criticism of the ACA as proof. What exactly is flawed about the 2nd amendment that you think it should be altered?

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I don't know.

Personally I believe that there should be more thorough screening processes, but I don't have any solid answers where that is concerned.

What I do know is that there is a problem with gun violence in this country and it won't improve itself without some sort of change.

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This is BS and it will get worse.

You're assuming a change in gun policy will make it better. How can you prove this?

I can't see you coming up with any details to support your opinion.

zapatohead408 said:

This is BS and it will get worse.

You're assuming a change in gun policy will make it better. How can you prove this?

I can't see you coming up with any details to support your opinion.

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Calm down.

I don't need details to support my opinion. That's why it's an opinion.

I even CLEARLY said "I don't know" in what you quoted and stated that what followed was my PERSONAL thought.

I have to respect Rico x Hood for keeping the discussion civil, but a lot of you gun dudes don't know how to go back and forth without acting like children.

PLVN said:

Calm down.

I don't need details to support my opinion. That's why it's an opinion.

I even CLEARLY said "I don't know" in what you quoted and stated that what followed was my PERSONAL thought.

I have to respect Rico x Hood for keeping the discussion civil, but a lot of you gun dudes don't know how to go back and forth without acting like children.

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Rico is entertaining you, there's no reason for the back and forth if you aren't providing a solution. You are saying random stuff that makes you sound foolish IMHO. Like if this was Judge Dredd or something.

The obvious problem is not going to get resolve by stricter gun laws period. The reason for why so many over the top pro 2nd amendment is because they already have seen how the government has ****** with other civil liberties that they have to fight to keep the ones that they trying to do away with.

You continue to say that harder laws will help, but how? i mean convicted felons can't legally purchase firearms ...

Has anyone ever considered that the root of the problem might not have anything to do with gun laws? No one wants to consider that it is our society that is breeding violence and selfishness and an alarming number of unstable individuals?

FrankMatthews said:

Has anyone ever considered that the root of the problem might not have anything to do with gun laws? No one wants to consider that it is our society that is breeding violence and selfishness and an alarming number of unstable individuals?

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"Guns don't kill people , people kill people "

FrankMatthews said:

Has anyone ever considered that the root of the problem might not have anything to do with gun laws? No one wants to consider that it is our society that is breeding violence and selfishness and an alarming number of unstable individuals?

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Didn't you hear? There is no problem whatsoever.

Everything is hunky dory.

So people are more violent and selfish these days? Really? I swear, you guys need to read up on some human history. People these days are tame as hell. Which is why I guess you guys get up in arms every time an innocent person gets shot...you don't know how good you have it.

^^^ I swear, several decades ago certain type of races weren't consider human beings but property.
You always going have some bad with the good.
That's just life.

Exactly!!

SdotC38109 said:

^^^ I swear, several decades ago certain type of races weren't consider human beings but property.
You always going have some bad with the good.
That's just life.

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Decades?

But yeah, I understand what you mean ....

I can't believe that slavery era America was just used as an example of why we should maintain the status quo.

This whole gun debate is knoll and void.  There is more then meets the eye.  The shooter was a skater that shot up a skate shop.  Hhhmmm.  Plus just because one can't get their hands on a gun doesn't mean they can't kill you with a bomb, a knife, or a hammer

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"Guns don't kill people , people kill people "

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Yes but always in the context of more gun laws or less gun laws. It's just like everything else in america, pigeonholed into this vs. that, a thesis and an antithesis, something a liberal side and a conservative side can argue over.

Rico x Hood said:

So people are more violent and selfish these days? Really? I swear, you guys need to read up on some human history. People these days are tame as hell. Which is why I guess you guys get up in arms every time an innocent person gets shot...you don't know how good you have it.

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Who said more? Or these days? Your average teenager has seen more simulated deaths than any one person would have ever seen in their entire lifetime 50-60 years ago. Hundreds if not thousands. You have millions of kids hunting each other down and killing each other in various ways online every single day. Capitalism is competition, consumerism is competition, everything everywhere pits you against everyone else. Success, rewards, happiness even, come with self serving. Perhaps the words selfish and violent simplified my point. It's all become so accepted, it's broadcast so efficiently, dominating nearly every american's developmental stage at this point.

When I was little I got in trouble in school for fighting, my teachers and parents told me violence wasn't an acceptable way to resolve differences. This was right around the time of Desert Storm, it was the first time a war had really been broadcast 24/7 like they do now.

You clearly stated that our society is breeding more violent and selfish people. That is 1000% false.

Simulated video game violence doesn't cause real life violence. Mothers have tried to make this argument for decades and it is simply not true.

I don't even know where to begin with your whole "argument" about how capitalism and consumerism have pervaded our culture and made ruthless competition more accepted. This just in IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTED. It is human nature to want to excel and have more. An it has always been from the days of.the first civilizations that those with more usually became the leaders. Like I said before, you guys need to read up on some human history.

crazy and I used to go there too

Rico x Hood said:

You clearly stated that our society is breeding more violent and selfish people. That is 1000% false.

Simulated video game violence doesn't cause real life violence. Mothers have tried to make this argument for decades and it is simply not true.

I don't even know where to begin with your whole "argument" about how capitalism and consumerism have pervaded our culture and made ruthless competition more accepted. This just in IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTED. It is human nature to want to excel and have more. An it has always been from the days of.the first civilizations that those with more usually became the leaders. Like I said before, you guys need to read up on some human history.

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civilization has only been around for less than ~10% of human existence on this planet so extrapolating that small segment of our recorded history and calling it 'human nature' is also conjecture. A lot of scientific research shows that we are more wired to be cooperative than competitive.

and i do believe that we should ban all guns....just start from the army and govt and work your way down.

Rico x Hood said:

You clearly stated that our society is breeding more violent and selfish people. That is 1000% false.

Simulated video game violence doesn't cause real life violence. Mothers have tried to make this argument for decades and it is simply not true.

I don't even know where to begin with your whole "argument" about how capitalism and consumerism have pervaded our culture and made ruthless competition more accepted. This just in IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN ACCEPTED. It is human nature to want to excel and have more. An it has always been from the days of.the first civilizations that those with more usually became the leaders. Like I said before, you guys need to read up on some human history.

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Again, I never said more. You should re-read what someone wrote before telling them what they clearly said. It's a discredit to you.

You seem to want to argue about the nature of man and the fact violence and greed has always been prevalent. I get that, people aren't necessarily more violent now or capable of greater atrocities than in the past. And yes, the inherent greed in man which is the fuel for capitalism, a requirement for it's success, has always been there.

What hasn't always been there is prepacked violence as entertainment, real and simulated, available to children 24 hours a day. Or a multi-billion dollar marketing complex that convinces soccer moms that the hottest christmas gift is worth a fist fight.

If a person wasn't led to believe their whole life that their happiness or success depends on them being better, or having more than others in their community then maybe they would value those in their community more.

If a kid didn't watch a movie, watch a TV show then play a video game and see upwards of 500 murders in a matter of hours he might take the concept of murder a little more seriously. Who knows.

PLVN said:

zapatohead408 said:

This is BS and it will get worse.

You're assuming a change in gun policy will make it better. How can you prove this?

I can't see you coming up with any details to support your opinion.

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Calm down.

I don't need details to support my opinion. That's why it's an opinion.

I even CLEARLY said "I don't know" in what you quoted and stated that what followed was my PERSONAL thought.

I have to respect Rico x Hood for keeping the discussion civil, but a lot of you gun dudes don't know how to go back and forth without acting like children.

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I'm calm as hell man. I don't know you on a personal level or care for you to say the truth.

Because I'm saying you're wrong I'm outraged? No, I just asked you to state some type of evidence to your claims. You know, the claims about gun regulation you've been posting about non stop throughout the thread.

zapatohead408 said:

I'm calm as hell man. I don't know you on a personal level or care for you to say the truth.

Because I'm saying you're wrong I'm outraged? No, I just asked you to state some type of evidence to your claims. You know, the claims about gun regulation you've been posting about non stop throughout the thread.

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You don't care for me? I'm hurt.

FrankMatthews said:

Again, I never said more. You should re-read what someone wrote before telling them what they clearly said. It's a discredit to you.

You seem to want to argue about the nature of man and the fact violence and greed has always been prevalent. I get that, people aren't necessarily more violent now or capable of greater atrocities than in the past. And yes, the inherent greed in man which is the fuel for capitalism, a requirement for it's success, has always been there.

What hasn't always been there is prepacked violence as entertainment, real and simulated, available to children 24 hours a day. Or a multi-billion dollar marketing complex that convinces soccer moms that the hottest christmas gift is worth a fist fight.

If a person wasn't led to believe their whole life that their happiness or success depends on them being better, or having more than others in their community then maybe they would value those in their community more.

If a kid didn't watch a movie, watch a TV show then play a video game and see upwards of 500 murders in a matter of hours he might take the concept of murder a little more seriously. Who knows.

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Cooperate with people we agree with.

Well if your claiming there is an increase in violence and selfishness based on all those things you named. Well, then I'm unsure of what your whole point is of being in this thread. But because none of what you posted correlates with violence, which is essentially what we were discussing.

well damb...apparently the shooter didnt know the two victims...i thought this was a domestic type of dispute but there seems to be no link between them...i guess he just picked the victims at random...

im seeing FB statuses saying RIP Tyler, so im guessing he went to Centennial HS since he was from Ellicott City...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...ip-between-maryland-mall-shooter-victims-cops

he gunman who shot and killed two skate store employees at a Maryland shopping mall had no criminal record, police said Sunday.

Officials said Darion Marcus Aguilar, 19, of College Park, Md., a manager at a Dunkin’ Donuts, was behind Saturday's attack that claimed the lives of two employees at a Zumiez store. The Mall in Columbia in suburban Baltimore was set for a somber reopening Monday.

Authorities believe Aguilar, armed with a Mossberg shotgun and “a large amount of ammunition” opened fire in the shopping mall in Columbia, Md., before killing himself, Howard County Police Chief Bill McMahon said Sunday.

The victims have been identified by police as Brianna Benlolo, 21, of College Park, Md., and Tyler Johnson, 25, of Mount Airy, Md. Aguilar, whose body was found nearby, had a shotgun and ammunition on him, according to McMahon.

Although one of the victims lives in the same town as the suspect, police said there was no immediate connection between the two. At a Sunday evening news conference, McMahon said police have interviewed family and associates but have found “no known relationship between the victims and our shooter.”

Police identify the shooter and the two victims, but still search for a motive and link between the trio.

"We want to find out why this occurred,” McMahon said at an earlier news briefing. “We still have some unanswered questions.”

He added that authorities are reviewing evidence seized from the shooter’s home — including a journal in which Aguilar “does express some general unhappiness with his life.”

McMahon said that surveillance video showed Aguilar was dropped off by a cab at the Mall in Columbia on Saturday. His mother reported him missing a few hours before the shooting, according to Howard County Police.

A Prince George’s officer went to Aguilar’s house in College Park to speak with his mother around 5 p.m. Saturday and saw the gunman’s journal. The portion of the journal the officer read “made him concerned for the missing person’s safety,” according to a statement from the Prince George’s County police.

The unidentified investigator then began tracking Aguilar’s cell phone — and soon discovered it was pinging at the Mall in Columbia.

McMahon said Aguilar made “very limited movement” during the hour he spent in the mall before he fired between 6-8 shots.

“We’re still working to determining exactly where all those shots went,” McMahon said. One person suffered a gunshot wound to the foot, and four others were injured during the chaos. All five were treated and released from the hospital Saturday night, according to Howard County General Hospital.

McMahon also said that Aguilar had bought the Mossberg 12-gauge shotgun in Montgomery County, Md., in December.

The state of Maryland does not regulate gunshot sales but stipulates that shotguns cannot be sold to a person under the age of 18, and federal law requires for the buyer to pass a background check. Howard County Police told NBC News that Aguilar purchased the firearm legally.

It took several hours to identify the gunman since he was carrying ammunition and a backpack and police thought he may have had explosives. "When we originally found the shooter, he still had a lot of ammunition on his person," McMahon said.

Police said they disabled crude attempts at homemade explosive devices inside the shooter's bag.

Investigators searched the mall and Aguilar’s body for any other explosives, but did not find anything more.

McMahon also said police did find ammunition in Aguilar’s home, where he lived with his mother. Investigators also seized computers and documents, McMahon said.

The Associated Press reported that Aguilar’s home is a two-story house in a “middle-income neighborhood,” where some University of Maryland students live just two miles away from the campus.

University of Maryland Chief Communications Officer Crystal Brown said that Aguilar never attended the school.

Aguilar was accepted to Montgomery College in February 2013 but never registered for classes and never attended, said Elizabeth S. Homan, director of communications at the community college in the suburbs of Washington D.C.

When he applied, Aguilar indicated he would graduate from James Hubert Blake High School in Rockville Md., Homan told NBC News. Dana Tofig, a spokeswoman for Montgomery County Public Schools, confirmed that Aguilar attended high school at Blake.

Tydryn Scott, 19, was Aguilar's lab partner at Blake and told the AP he was tall, skinny and quiet. Another student described him as an avid skateboarder.

Howard County Executive Ken Ulman said at the Sunday evening news briefing that the 200-store mall will have two memorial sites - one outside the entrance and another inside the shopping complex - when it reopens at 1 p.m. on Monday.

McMahon said grief counselors would be on site and “we will ensure that we have a strong police presence here so that people will feel comfortable and safe.”

Zumiez chief executive Rick Brooks said in a statement that when the mall reopens, there will be memory books to sign and visitors will be invited to float flowers in the mall's fountain in memory of Benlolo and Johnson.

"The emotions are very raw and real — and as co-workers and friends, we are pulling together," Brooks added.

RIP to the victims i was at towson town center the day it happened....to think we could have went to columbia....so sad man...the poor victims just going to their jobs at a mall and not even knowing the shooter and having this happen.