How Much Longer Do KD and CP3 Get A Pass? (Rings)

You guys are ridiculous :lol:

CP3 gets a pass because he's a PG and he's not supposed to be the #1 option on his team? Last I remember, he demanded a trade out of New Orleans so he could win a championship and go to a big market. CP3 asked for his current situation with the Clippers and will continue to fall short until the Clippers land a legit #1 scorer.

Until then, he's the #1 guy on his team and what he does reflects on his team and also vice-versa.

No one in the NBA is "exempt" from a pass. CP3 doesn't get it yet, because he hasn't been in LA that long yet. Give it another year and we'll start hearing it.

He has a deep team, with a great defensive anchor, defensive minded coach and a posterize boy dunker that wins 45+ games every year. Eventually the rumbles will start and people will question why he hasn't won yet.
 
^In that scenario, the heat would fall on Blake Griffin.. he's the one who's supposed to become the dominant low post scorer, that can command double-teams and make it easier for everyone else.

Not saying this is what will happen but.. if Griffin gets owned by ZBo in the playoffs again while CP3 averages his usual 20/10 on great efficiency, why would the blame fall on Paul? And not the big man who has been a multiple All-Star and annointed as the one of the next big things in the NBA?

Chris Paul has been playing at a HOF level for a while now. At this point, what they need is significant improvement from their star big man and #1 option. Griffin looks improved in the regular season but we need to see it in a healthy postseason run.
 
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DT43 said:
Chris Paul is a point guard. The job of a point guard is to make other players around him better, not carry the team on his back singlehandedly.

The only people who would bash Paul are those who don't understand basketball. He's been very good in all of his playoff appearances, unfortunately his teams lacked a legit #1 option. Not his fault.
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Thank you for reinforcing the point I was making earlier.  When a team's best player is a point guard, chances are they will not win a championship.  History has shown this.
 
dland24 said:
 
Thank you for reinforcing the point I was making earlier.  When a team's best player is a point guard, chances are they will not win a championship.  History has shown this.
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I don't think you're wrong, recent evidence does seem to show that.  I just wonder why that is the case.  I can't really come up with a logical argument, since these teams (Suns, Clippers, etc.) have had primary scorers who are well sized.
 
Hank Scorpio said:
You guys are ridiculous
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CP3 gets a pass because he's a PG and he's not supposed to be the #1 option on his team? Last I remember, he demanded a trade out of New Orleans so he could win a championship and go to a big market. CP3 asked for his current situation with the Clippers and will continue to fall short until the Clippers land a legit #1 scorer.

Until then, he's the #1 guy on his team and what he does reflects on his team and also vice-versa.

No one in the NBA is "exempt" from a pass. CP3 doesn't get it yet, because he hasn't been in LA that long yet. Give it another year and we'll start hearing it.

He has a deep team, with a great defensive anchor, defensive minded coach and a posterize boy dunker that wins 45+ games every year. Eventually the rumbles will start and people will question why he hasn't won yet.
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im not saying he should get a pass for those reasons but thats why he does get a pass, same with steve nash and the suns and why everyone talks about malone not having a ring but never stockton
 
He gets a pass because he is FAR from the reason that the Hornets and Clippers have floundered in the playoffs. On either side of the ball. Watch those Hornets teams play 2 on 5 with him and West against the world. Or these Clippers teams absolutely eaten up on the inside the years he's been in the playoffs. I'm not gonna get into it again :lol: we do this every year. Watch those series when he was in NO. Watch the Memphis series and see ZBO and Gasol feasting along with Blake and the gang disappearing. Watch that SA series from a couple years back. His scoring fell off but he was still facilitating like a machine. Watch that series for the layup lines Ginobli, Green and Parker had set up.
 
Proshares said:
He gets a pass because he is FAR from the reason that the Hornets and Clippers have floundered in the playoffs. On either side of the ball. Watch those Hornets teams play 2 on 5 with him and West against the world. Or these Clippers teams absolutely eaten up on the inside the years he's been in the playoffs. I'm not gonna get into it again
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we do this every year. Watch those series when he was in NO. Watch the Memphis series and see ZBO and Gasol feasting along with Blake and the gang disappearing. Watch that SA series from a couple years back. His scoring fell off but he was still facilitating like a machine. Watch that series for the layup lines Ginobli, Green and Parker had set up.
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kobe was FAR from the reason the lakers lost in 06-07

tmac was FAR from the reason for all those rockets and orlando exits

melo was FAR from the reason for the knicks and nuggets

all these guys just had subpar teams but they got blamed for it, i dont see why CP3 doesnt get the same treatment just because hes a pass first guy
 
Well you're bringing up three extremely polarizing figures. Players who have a ton of fans and even more people who hate them. Of course there's going to be an overwhelming amount of people who blame them for playoff failures. That has nothing to do with why CP should not receive blame. I agree they were not the reason.
 
Proshares said:
Well you're bringing up three extremely polarizing figures. Players who have a ton of fans and even more people who hate them. Of course there's going to be an overwhelming amount of people who blame them for playoff failures. That has nothing to do with why CP should not receive blame. I agree they were not the reason.
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thats fair, all im saying is that whatever the blame is you put on star players on bad teams (in this case not much) should be the same for a pg as it is for an sg/pf/c

only player in recent memory that i would actually blame for their teams shortcomings is lebron in the 2011 finals
 
CP3's best window is right now before Doc Rivers retires. Their roster is stacked top to bottom. I can't think of a NBA team with better, deeper player personnel. Options and lineups for days. Credit to Paul, he hasn't faded like Deron Williams since the 1A and 1B PG comparisons years ago.

I fear Slim Reaper's best opportunity was lost with James Harden. This year seems like another golden opportunity when Russy returns. Deep bench rotation with Jackson, Lamb, PJ3, Collison, Adams. I still don't love Scott Brooks because of his in-game adjustments, or lack thereof. His rotations are baffling.
 
CP will start getting it this year or next, especially with the team he's got & doc rivers now.

KD still has a couple more years imo
 
They wont get the blame cause they have scapegoats lined up. Lebron, Dwight and Melo were/are UNDENIABLY the man on their team.
When OKC and the Clips perform poorly, the media makes sure Westbrook and Blake share the blame
 
Chris Paul has a career long pass. He will never be brought into that conversation by the media
 
Dondada22 said:
DT43 said:
:lol: Parker was not the best player on the 2007 Spurs.
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You're trippin' dogg. Timmy was more consistent but from the middle of the regular season to the Finals no one on that team played better and at a higher level than Parker.
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In 2007, Duncan averaged 20ppg/10.6rpg/3.4apg/2.4bpg, was first-team All Defense, and was fourth in MVP voting (Parker was 15th). There's really no reasonable argument to be made for Parker being more valuable to that team than Duncan.

Tony had a favorable matchup against a crappy Cleveland team in a Finals series that lasted four games. That's it.
 
DT43 said:
In 2007, Duncan averaged 20ppg/10.6rpg/3.4apg/2.4bpg, was first-team All Defense, and was fourth in MVP voting (Parker was 15th). There's really no reasonable argument to be made for Parker being more valuable to that team than Duncan.

Tony had a favorable matchup against a crappy Cleveland team in a Finals series that lasted four games. That's it.
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Cool! You know how to google stats! I said Duncan played more consistently throughout the year but from the midway point on, Parker played better. The whole Spurs team except Bruce Bowen had a favorable matchup, what are you talking about? Duncan should of been putting up Shaq like numbers against Varejao.
 
Dondada22 said:
DT43 said:
In 2007, Duncan averaged 20ppg/10.6rpg/3.4apg/2.4bpg, was first-team All Defense, and was fourth in MVP voting (Parker was 15th). There's really no reasonable argument to be made for Parker being more valuable to that team than Duncan.


Tony had a favorable matchup against a crappy Cleveland team in a Finals series that lasted four games. That's it.
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Cool! You know how to google stats! I said Duncan played more consistently throughout the year but from the midway point on, Parker played better. The whole Spurs team except Bruce Bowen had a favorable matchup, what are you talking about? Duncan should of been putting up Shaq like numbers against Varejao.
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He averaged 20/10 against Varejao (a tough defender), with shutdown defense, and for the playoffs as a whole he still outscored Parker. The Finals was the only series that Parker averaged (barely) more ppg than Duncan. Tony won the Finals MVP because he had the ball in his hands all the time and was running around freely against Cleveland's backcourt, he had more opportunities to make flashy plays.

Duncan basically averaged 20/10 consistently the entire season and finished fourth in MVP voting, I don't know where you're getting this "from the midway point on" stuff from, sounds like you're just making that up. Your argument is like saying Pau was the best player on the 2010 Lakers because of the Finals, or that Wade was the best player on the 2011 Heat. Nobody believes that.
 
the 07 finals mvp shouldnt mean much, the spurs could have played without parker or without duncan and still won that series 
 
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