Is Peyton Manning the most overrated qb of all time?

7thAve btn 31stN33rd St said:
I didn't know a game is won or loss strictly on the QB.
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Please, save it. When it's going good, the QB gets all the praise. No one told the Colts front office to strictly draft offensive players during the Peyton era. I do not care about statistics because they can always be skewed. Peyton has always made his teams one dimensional.
 
numbah1grimey said:
Please, save it. When it's going good, the QB gets all the praise. No one told the Colts front office to strictly draft offensive players during the Peyton era. I do not care about statistics because they can always be skewed. Peyton has always made his teams one dimensional.
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So are win/loss records in the superbowl. In that case, Trent Dilfer > Peyton
 
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Seen a dude walking down the street in an orange shirt that said "hail Peyton" had an inverted pentagram on the back with 6+6+6=18. Thought it was hilarious. That is all.
 
Can't believe this thread got bumped to praise this overrated herb. His reg season stats are only phenomenal because his claim to fame was beating on the already weak AFC south with a beefed up offense, and beating Rex Grossman. It's no surprise he can't do squat in the playoffs.
 
Tigron said:
Can't believe this thread got bumped to praise this overrated herb. His reg season stats are only phenomenal because his claim to fame was beating on the already weak AFC south with a beefed up offense, and beating Rex Grossman. It's no surprise he can't do squat in the playoffs.
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I mean I know this post is just made to rile people but when people talk about beating Rex I wonder why they forget about a huge comeback to beat TB12 the game earlier?
 
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I don't watch much football, but my homeboy is a big fan and he swears that Manning is the greatest qb of all time.
 
we should be talking about mark sanchez and joe flacco more
they defeated both peyton and brady in back to back playoff games
 
Random but if manning plays another year or two..nobody is ever reaching that career TD mark. Might become the NFL most unbreakable record. But i feel he'll play only two years tops and then let brock takeover. A SB this season and he's retiring though
 
He ain't **** when it really matters. Rex won him that super bowl...that bears team was one of the easiest super bowl opponents in recent memory
 
shatterkneesinc said:
we should be talking about mark sanchez and joe flacco more
they defeated both peyton and brady in back to back playoff games
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you're free to present your case that mark ******* sanchez is better than peyton manning and tom brady. good luck...
 
That bears team was almost as bad as the 2000 giants were.

Regarding Peyton, I'll say I've eased up a tad bit on being so critical of him, but my beef moreso lies with people who swear up and down that he is the greatest qb of all time, swear he can do no wrong, downplay his well documented shortcomings as a team failure, while placing his individual accomplishments on a pedestal while at the same time downplaying the accomplishments of his competition, guys like Brady etc.

I've never denied that he's a great qb, but its common to see people talk about him like he's the Jordan or Gretzky of football which he isn't.

Regarding the shortcomings and playoff failures, perhaps I have downplayed the team aspect, compared to basketball where one superstar player can really make or break a team, football its so much that can shape a game outside of the quarterbacks hands, a RB or receiver fumbling, defense giving up big plays, special teams getting a punt or kick blocked or a kickoff return/punt return for a touchdown, or the qb putting the kicker in field goal range only for the kicker to miss or get a bad snap.

Between that and seeing how while Brady won 3 in 4 years initially, its going on 10 years since that last one now, and how aside from that it took some miracle plays for Eli to get his 2, perhaps I've been a bit too hard on Peyton playoff wise.

However though, how are you supposed to respond when a player lights up defenses good and bad throughout a season and makes it look easy, only to on numerous occasions fail to make those same big plays when it counts, alot of times at home against those same teams he lit up and made look easy against just a few weeks back.

Its a team game, and alot can impact the game, but I can point to numerous occasions where he didn't make the plays he routinely made against those same teams in the regular season.

Like I said, perhaps I've been overly critical on the playoff aspect, but at the same time when discussing Peyton Manning, I feel its something that needs to be brought up, if we're going to put the good achievements on a pedestal, its only fair to look at the playoff track record and not try to downplay it.
 
JumpmanPro97 said:
he's won a title, maybe dan marino might get this label. He never won anything.
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In Marinos defense, most those dolphins teams weren't very good aside from Marino and when they finally put a good team around him when jimmy Johnson took over, it was in the twlight of his career and he was well past his prime.

From about 03 on those colts teams had elite level talent every year with the exception of 2010 and that was moreso due to injuries then anything. Props to Peyton for making no name receivers look good late that year though, the past few seasons in Denver, he has had pretty loaded teams as well.

Most of Marinos years though, his talent was squandered in Miami.
 
I don't know if overrated is the word to use.   if he wins another one, it will help erase the one blotch on his legacy though.    i know it's hard to win a super bowl and all, but even if he wins another one, i'll probably still think he should've won another during his indy years considering some of the years where they were the 1 seed or considered a favorite and were one and done. like I said, it's not all his fault, but still to this day, I look back at a season like the 05 season and be like how in the hell did they lose that game to the steelers at home,  same with the game they lost at home to san diego in 07 where LT and Rivers missed a good chunk of the 2nd half of the game, if I recall, San Diegos defense shut the passing game down that 4th quarter.  That potential AFC title game between 13-3 defending champs Indy and undefeated New England would've been epic that season.   

i've always gave him his props though, i think he's a stand up guy and a top 10 qb of all time, arguably closer to top 5.  he's still playing at a high level and I doubt that touchdown record gets broken anytime soon, arguably never, if he plays another few seasons and gets to 600.

i made this thread right after the super bowl though if i recall correctly though, when for 2 weeks straight all we heard about was "Peyton Mannings legacy"  and how "Peyton Manning was going to torch this elite Seahawks defense" then boom, 43-8 happened, and people tried to deflect and make it sound like that Seahawks defense was the 2nd coming of the 2000 ravens as if the 49ers and saints both didn't go into Seattle and play close well fought games against that same Seahawks team. 

like i've said, i've eased up on the overrated talk a bit, and gained a bit more appreciation for everything he's accomplished, but i'm not going to pretend as if the elephant in the room known as Peyton Manning in the playoffs is nonexistent either. 
 
Again he beat an ok Bears team in the SB but his AFC run to that SB was nice. Why do people ignore if?


And the Colts had some nice talent/skill players through the 00s but they weren't a complete, dominant team

All in all people say he is a top 5 QB all team and that is pretty darn accurate. Thread and title are a bit asinine
 
And a huge reason they lost to Pitt in 05 was rust. He and the team looked so off and slow to start the first quarter and a half. Pitt grabbed the lead and never relinquished. Tony and his resting of players was a huge mistake IMO all those years
 
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