Is Peyton Manning the most overrated qb of all time?

JJ Watt said:
 
DarthSka said:
I wonder how we would be talking about Manning if he had Calvin Johnson for nearly his entire career, or Fitzgerald.

And, his whole career with Marshall Faulk.

Yes, I know he had Marvin Harrison, and had Faulk for a few seasons. But Marvin is no Calvin, and I'm just wondering what we would be saying.

I know, I know, another 'If.' 
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Wut?

This is a dumb as bringing up the jerry west thing.

Peyton has had so many weapons throughout his career.

When he's smoking teams during the regular season it's not a problem now is it?
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Having multiple weapons at multiple phases is NOT the same as having the same weapons throughout.

I didn't mention because Peyton has been weapon-less; I was mentioning the luxury of having the same elite talent being branded right along with your name. You think Jordan, you think Pippen; like that.
 
DarthSka said:
Having multiple weapons at multiple phases is NOT the same as having the same weapons throughout.

I didn't mention because Peyton has been weapon-less; I was mentioning the luxury of having the same elite talent being branded right along with your name. You think Jordan, you think Pippen; like that.
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Peyton had Tarik Glenn, Edgerrin, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Gonzalez, EG Green, Marlin Jackson, Addai, etc. etc. 1st round picks, and majority offense. The early 90s colts teams did draft a lot of first round defenders but they didn't pan out so, drafting style changed over to offense-minded draft picks. The Colts even had Ray Buchanan but let him go. He was a very underrated cornerback. Their scouting department never cared about drafting capable defensive players during the Peyton era. Look at every NFL Dynasty, they had great defensive talent. Even those 49ers 80s teams had Ronnie Lott, Charles Haley, Eric Wright, etc.
 
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DarthSka said:
I wonder how we would be talking about Manning if he had Calvin Johnson for nearly his entire career, or Fitzgerald.

And, his whole career with Marshall Faulk.

Yes, I know he had Marvin Harrison, and had Faulk for a few seasons. But Marvin is no Calvin, and I'm just wondering what we would be saying.

I know, I know, another 'If.' :lol:
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He had a healthy Edge for 6 seasons...
Some other guy for the better part of a decade, and Reggie Wayne for 10 years.
 
He had Faulk only in his rookie year. Why did they trade Faulk anyways? Granted Edge was nice, but damn, Marshall Faulk was great.
 
dmxfury said:
but when people talk about beating Rex I wonder why they forget about a huge comeback to beat TB12 the game earlier?
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dmxfury said:
Again he beat an ok Bears team in the SB but his AFC run to that SB was nice. Why do people ignore if?
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Playing devil's advocate here, but I think people view it more as a Pats choke job or Colts comeback because it wasn't just one player carrying the charge and taking over or coughing up the game. Both sides (choke job and comeback) were true team efforts. Just take a look at the score summary:

His overall stats for the game were 27 for 47, 57% completion, 349 yards, 1 TD 1 INT 1 Rushing TD. Not terrible or great.

And since you brought up that team's run, his statistics in the '06 postseason (4 games - a total of 3 TD 7 INT) are why his detractors diminish his contributions and first give credit to a rejuvenated defense that finally stepped up and made it happen.

Personally, my opinion remains the same now as it was after last year's SB and even further stretched back to his time as a Colt. Body of work while recognizing the team/player's unique set of circumstances > individual games (yes, Superbowls included). Doctor Manning has done far too many great things in his career to let his playoff failures ruin his legacy or make him "the most overrated QB ever". 

I do agree there is large enough sample size of Peyton in the playoffs that his play can NOT be swept away or ignored and must be accounted for. His career isn't over yet though so we're still a couple years away from making final judgments on #18.
 
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I've said it once and i'll say it again.. Dudes CONSTANTLY bring him up as possibly being the greatest of all time, when your held in that light you face the greatest of all time comparisons. I feel the same way about Peyton as i do aboput Lebron in the NBA.

when your name starts getting thrown around as the best to ever do it then your ultimately judged on what you gave when your greatness was needed the most. I wouldn't have a problem with someone calling him the most skilled player of all time, but the Best absolutely not. Sports is more than stats and capability... toughness & mental strength is a big part of it and he has shown on SEVERAL situations that when he's needed to be that spectacular player and put those skills to use he hasn't been able to do it.

There is no reason why during the SB against the saints, despite me knowing just how skillful this guy is i could sit back with a straight face and predict an interception on that last drive (& really mean every word of what i'm saying). Yet he had shown me time & time again that he goes from greatness to above average when his team needs him the most.

His team put up 8 points in the SB and were dismantled from the gate and he played HORRID.... yet season goes by and everyone sings his praises & suddenly the talk goes from he's the greatest QB of all time & how can they stop this offense to the Seahawks suddenlt becoming one of the best defenses of all time instantly. It's in the same vein that In the NBA everyone looks away from Lebrons lack of impact in those series and deflect his performance by saying that suddenly the Spurs are this extremely advanced team.
 
tyisny said:
I've said it once and i'll say it again.. Dudes CONSTANTLY bring him up as possibly being the greatest of all time, when your held in that light you face the greatest of all time comparisons. I feel the same way about Peyton as i do aboput Lebron in the NBA.

when your name starts getting thrown around as the best to ever do it then your ultimately judged on what you gave when your greatness was needed the most. I wouldn't have a problem with someone calling him the most skilled player of all time, but the Best absolutely not. Sports is more than stats and capability... toughness & mental strength is a big part of it and he has shown on SEVERAL situations that when he's needed to be that spectacular player and put those skills to use he hasn't been able to do it.

There is no reason why during the SB against the saints, despite me knowing just how skillful this guy is i could sit back with a straight face and predict an interception on that last drive (& really mean every word of what i'm saying). Yet he had shown me time & time again that he goes from greatness to above average when his team needs him the most.

His team put up 8 points in the SB and were dismantled from the gate and he played HORRID.... yet season goes by and everyone sings his praises & suddenly the talk goes from he's the greatest QB of all time & how can they stop this offense to the Seahawks suddenlt becoming one of the best defenses of all time instantly. It's in the same vein that In the NBA everyone looks away from Lebrons lack of impact in those series and deflect his performance by saying that suddenly the Spurs are this extremely advanced team.
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Very well said.
 
After he only put up 14 points with one of the greatest offenses of all time on the biggest stage even his clutch stock has soured a bit for me. But in 04 it was Montana/Bradshaw level
 
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dmxfury said:
After he only put up 14 points with one of the greatest offenses of all time on the biggest stage even his clutch stock has soured a bit for me. But in 04 it was Montana/Bradshaw level
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how about 8 points with an offense that broke EVERY record that the '07 pats set? :nerd:

my point is more so related to the fact that no one gives the giants defense any credit for that game. everyone forgets that brady was on his *** every other play in that game. and that he STILL managed to hand his defense a lead with 2 minutes left in the game...
 
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I was already soured on Peyton's 'clutch gene' :lol:

And I think the 07 Pats were a better offense

And the 2014 Seahawks were a better D than the Giants (though they did have a good one)
 
DarthSka said:
I wonder how we would be talking about Manning if he had Calvin Johnson for nearly his entire career, or Fitzgerald.

And, his whole career with Marshall Faulk.

Yes, I know he had Marvin Harrison, and had Faulk for a few seasons. But Marvin is no Calvin, and I'm just wondering what we would be saying.

I know, I know, another 'If.' :lol:
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What are you talking about? Manning had one of the greatest wr duos for years


And had the advantage of playing in a dome 9 times a year
 
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DeadsetAce said:
how about 8 points with an offense that broke EVERY record that the '07 pats set? :nerd:

my point is more so related to the fact that no one gives the giants defense any credit for that game. everyone forgets that brady was on his *** every other play in that game. and that he STILL managed to hand his defense a lead with 2 minutes left in the game...
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This is all i'm saying... When you have one of the greatest ever you may not always win, but the point of being in consideration of BEST EVER... means that if your on a team fighting for a championship your presence should be enough to atleast put your team in position to win.. not a complete opposite.
 
dmxfury said:
I was already soured on Peyton's 'clutch gene' :lol:

And I think the 07 Pats were a better offense

And the 2014 Seahawks were a better D than the Giants (though they did have a good one)
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No no no...that giants d line was legendary...the closest patriots game that regular season was the one against the Giants...think it was a Saturday night game. I hated those giant teams but I give respect for that godly defensive line
 
Rolaholic said:
Reggie Wayne is so underrated :smh:
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Once again another reason i believe him & Lebron have much in common. People tend to forget that things go both ways when discussing super talented guys. Somehow when you bring up that he's had two HOF'ers in their Prime, the story suddenly becomes that he "made" them that good. As if having HOF talent that the defense has to worry about on every snap somehow doesn't drastically improve Peyton Manning
 
Peyton never had a ****** offense around him. NEVER

I still stand by if you switch him and brady last season the patriots would be a bottom 10
team

Also annoys me that the media are acting like manning made the Wr they got from the steelers (forgot his name)
 
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Mr Marcus said:
Peyton never had a ****** offense around him. NEVER

I still stand by if you switch him and brady last season the patriots would be a bottom 10
team

Also annoys me that the media are acting like manning made the Wr they got from the steelers (forgot his name)
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I think they are moreso making it as Sanders is a great upgrade from Decker...and he is.

Montana still the GOAT...Brady could of been but he lost to the same damn team twice in the same fashion in the SB :lol:

End of the day if your the greatest you shut **** down no matter what or at least come close to it.
 
Score more than 14 and the helmet isn't an issue :lol:


I mean if Rashard didn't fumble Ben would be 3-0 in SBs. That wasn't his fault either but still didn't get it done

That Giant line was great, I don't know if I go legendary. Regardless I would expect that 07 team to drop at least 21 on the '76 Steelers

Lots of TB12 talk in the Peyton overrated thread :lol:
 
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JJ Watt said:
If the steelers keep running Mendy then Big Ben is 3-0.

Those 2 giants D-lines were dominate.

Both times Thomas walked off the field, his team had the lead.
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The 2008 Giants defensive line were incredibly dominate. There was no way Brady was going to beat that team, or at least the offense. The only way the Patriots could've won was if the Giants offense struggled.


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Also, for the people who consider John Elway a top tier QB: He was considered a widely overrated QB as well. it wasn't until he won those back to back super bowls and retired that made people consider him to be great.

At the end of Peyton's career, we're going to look at all the stats and maybe recount the Super Bowl victories he's had. It's tough to say he's the greatest QB ever, but he's def. in the conversation. I think it's ridiculous to consider him overrated. How the Hell can he be overrated when he has a record that will probably never be beaten? If all goes well, he's projected to have 600 TD's for a career.
 
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