Trayvon pt. 2? Vol. Stay classy Florida...

Getting to watch some of the closing statement from the defense attorney.  I'm not sure how he was the rest of the trial (I can guess) but he really seems like a scumbag.

Once again, he's argument comes down to whether prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer wasn't acting in self defense, I guess that's all because of the Stand Your Ground Law.  Otherwise wouldn't it be up to the defense to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was acting in self defense?
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
Getting to watch some of the closing statement from the defense attorney.  I'm not sure how he was the rest of the trial (I can guess) but he really seems like a scumbag.

Once again, he's argument comes down to whether prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer wasn't acting in self defense, I guess that's all because of the Stand Your Ground Law.  Otherwise wouldn't it be up to the defense to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was acting in self defense?
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Nah in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They also have to prove that he shot with the intention to kill
 
Oh man, missed some of it prosecutor seems to be arguing just for common sense from the jury for a conviction.  I've got a bad feeling about this.
 
Closing arguments for both sides have just ended.  The trial is currently on break right now.  When the trial begins shortly the jury will be given instructions which should take another 30 minutes or so. 
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
 
Getting to watch some of the closing statement from the defense attorney.  I'm not sure how he was the rest of the trial (I can guess) but he really seems like a scumbag.

Once again, he's argument comes down to whether prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer wasn't acting in self defense, I guess that's all because of the Stand Your Ground Law.  Otherwise wouldn't it be up to the defense to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was acting in self defense?
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Yes, kinda.  Self defense is an affirmative defense.  It's saying, "I did what I was accused of but I had a legal justification because ______."

The prosecution has to argue their case and prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but he can argue he had no choice but to shoot at them because he felt his life was in danger.
 
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ScarsOrScabs said:
Getting to watch some of the closing statement from the defense attorney.  I'm not sure how he was the rest of the trial (I can guess) but he really seems like a scumbag.

Once again, he's argument comes down to whether prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer wasn't acting in self defense, I guess that's all because of the Stand Your Ground Law.  Otherwise wouldn't it be up to the defense to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was acting in self defense?
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Nah in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They also have to prove that he shot with the intention to kill
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Because it's first degree murder, it possible it'll end up like Trayvon with the defendant being overcharged and probably walking on a lesser charge.  Just on the facts of this case prosecutors are going to have a tough time showing this was premeditated.  He didn't even know who the kids were a few minutes prior. 

Second degree makes more sense because the standard there is a "depraved mind" and a disregard for human life.

Can anyone fill me in on why they decided to charge him with first-degree?
 
^ That's what I've been saying. Should have charged him with 2nd or aggravated manslaughter and threw the book at him during sentencing. 1st is pretty hard to prove in spur of the moment homicides.
 
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STR8DROP said:
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
Getting to watch some of the closing statement from the defense attorney.  I'm not sure how he was the rest of the trial (I can guess) but he really seems like a scumbag.


Once again, he's argument comes down to whether prosecution can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the killer wasn't acting in self defense, I guess that's all because of the Stand Your Ground Law.  Otherwise wouldn't it be up to the defense to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was acting in self defense?
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Nah in criminal cases the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. They also have to prove that he shot with the intention to kill
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Because it's first degree murder, it possible it'll end up like Trayvon with the defendant being overcharged and probably walking on a lesser charge.  Just on the facts of this case prosecutors are going to have a tough time showing this was premeditated.  He didn't even know who the kids were a few minutes prior. 

Second degree makes more sense because the standard there is a "depraved mind" and a disregard for human life.

Can anyone fill me in on why they decided to charge him with first-degree?
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Same **** I was wondering, he was initially charged w/ 2nd degree then they upped it to 1st

The judge did tell the jury that they also had the option to choose 2nd degree or manslaughter so I guess we'll see

Something else that makes this a tough case is they have to prove that Davis didn't show a gun
 
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Something else that makes this a tough case is they have to prove that Davis didn't show a gun
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Only if the jury is stupid. I mean think about it, the evidence shows that Davis didn't have a gun.

The whole premise of this claim of "self defense" is stupid and would be giving a pass to people to go around shooting anybody they want if all they have to say is they thought somebody had a gun.
 
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