Black neighborhood rejects Trader Joe's

Too bad most. of yall in favor of a store like Trader Joes, moving into the hood have no idea on the impact it does from within. .. small businesses are forced out due to less foot traffic and higher leases and property taxes... rent automatically goes up 10-20 percent over night and people are forced out of their homes not because they are on welfare and section 8, those people still live cheaply. Its the hard working family living paycheck to paycheck who is forced out of their homes and apts. I can tell most of you live at home with mommy and daddy and will feel some kinda way when called out on your tone of approval.

My rent went up from 850 to 1100 in a couple years... i have to sign my new lease and it hurts to knkw that i cannkt up and move somewhere else because i have 3 kids and a hustle in the town i grew up in... i wish i could generate some soldiers for a militia so we could take action in keeping affordable housing for everyone... but everybody is scared to lose a little to gain a lot
 
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JJ Watt said:
There's no winning.

You can't improve the community by bringing outside sources in because it makes everything more expensive.

But those who live in the community dont do anything to improve it.

:lol: :smh:
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Dont do anything? Dont you think its harder for a black person to open a store and obtain credit compared to trader joes? If they would allow us to build within this wouldnt be a problem.
 
JJ Watt said:
There's no winning.

You can't improve the community by bringing outside sources in because it makes everything more expensive.

But those who live in the community dont do anything to improve it.

:lol: :smh:
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soo this community actually exercising its voice and having a say in what does and doesnt go up in their community is them not doing anything to improve it?

sure seems like theyve taken an interest in whats going on around them

maybe I'm wrong tho
 
sharpshooter718 said:
Too bad most. of yall in favor of a store like Trader Joes, moving into the hood have no idea on the impact it does from within. .. small businesses are forced out due to less foot traffic and higher leases and property taxes... rent automatically goes up 10-20 percent over night and people are forced out of their homes not because they are on welfare and section 8, those people still live cheaply. Its the hard working family living paycheck to paycheck who is forced out of their homes and apts. I can tell most of you live at home with mommy and daddy and will feel some kinda way when called out on your tone of approval.

My rent went up from 850 to 1100 in a couple years... i have to sign my new lease and it hurts to knkw that i cannkt up and move somewhere else because i have 3 kids and a hustle in the town i grew up in... i wish i could generate some soldiers for a militia so we could take action in keeping affordable housing for everyone... but everybody is scared to lose a little to gain a lot
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your rent going up is most likely because of the housing bubble more than gentrification. the increase in real estate taxes gets transferred to your monthly rent as well.
 
JJ Watt said:
The community didn't want TJ because it would apparently make everything more expensive and begin gentrification.

Fair enough, so now what's the plan?
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I'm going to assume this is rhetorical

but how do you know they arent pushing for something mom and pop to move into the space?
 
4318MichaelJohnson4318 said:
JJ Watt said:
There's no winning.

You can't improve the community by bringing outside sources in because it makes everything more expensive.

But those who live in the community dont do anything to improve it.

:lol: :smh:
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Dont do anything? Dont you think its harder for a black person to open a store and obtain credit compared to trader joes? If they would allow us to build within this wouldnt be a problem.
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Retail aside that empty lot is an eyesore to the community. Can't say I know if any other initiative has been tried for it. Community leaders can try to get their district on board with making it into a park/playground or a facility for community use.

Also, a traders joes in a retail center won't bring gentrification or open the floodgates for it. Most retailers aren't going to flock to black neighborhoods until the the black population is on the decline. The rest of the retail space will end up being something the already have: a Cellphone carrier, subway restaurant, pizza place, bank, maybe a target etc.
 
JJ Watt said:
CashBanks said:
I'm going to assume this is rhetorical

but how do you know they arent pushing for something mom and pop to move into the space?
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Just reading the article it states that the lot has been empty for YEARS.

They were going to sell it for pennies on the dollar because it's been empty for YEARS.

So now, why hasn't anyone stepped up in the community?

It's been sitting here, unused, for years.

And a quote from the article.

“Only missed tax revenue, lost jobs, less foot traffic, an empty lot and a boulevard still struggling to support its local small businesses.”

Small businesses aren't thriving apparently either, you know, apparently the ones the community should be supporting.
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cause if its empty for decades, they can get it on the low low word to detroit
 
oidreez said:
Gotta be kidding. Where are the low income people suppose to go? why not make the neighborhood better for the low income people? Everything is always about capitalism no matter who it steps on
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No, I'm not kidding. The low-income people can't just take up space when a growing population is losing space. The Trader Joe's is actually making the neighborhood better by raising the quality of living in that area.

JJ Watt said:
The community didn't want TJ because it would apparently make everything more expensive and begin gentrification.

Fair enough, so now what's the plan?
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This is what people fail to understand. When things generally get better, the quality also gets better as well. Good quality isn't cheap.

If those small business around the area were doing well before the TJ's situation, then the community would've reflected that.
 
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Tr1ll said:
You KNOW you have to back all that up with a source....
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http://www.cnpp.usda.gov/USDAFoodCost-Home.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/12/american-money-groceries-processed-food_n_1587981.html

ill try to find more sources but in particular blacks spend more on fast food going out to eat then quality groceries. No way you can tell me olive garden last a family longer then spending the same in groceries. Hell the top 10 cities in America to which spend money going out to eat are vast majority cites with a high black population aka dc, Atlanta, Birmingham, los angelos etc.... Detroit so on and so forth.

http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/templates/content.aspx?ID=6456

54% of aa women suffer obesity. To which vast majority are single moms.... So doesn't take much to draw to conclusions... When 72.8% are single mothers then that shows most of the single mothers obeast let alone fat or just overweight... So lets be real your not reaching obesity damn near morbid status eating quality meals etc at home. And lets be real if you aren't eating them chances are your kids aren't eating them either.

Aint like they going to chillis olive garden 4 times or more a week and cooking 3 course meals for their kids. So like I said no grocery store charges so much that it is cheaper for you to go to outback then it would cost you to buy groceries.

So if you got a group of ppl with damn near 75% being fat and over half obeast damn near morbid status. And they only on average eat 3 meals a week home. It doesn't take a genius to say they cant afford top quality groceries.... (not that trader joes is super expensive or even expensive at all) Its just they prefer the blooming onions, I want my baby baby back ribs etc... Cause it requires no effort... is easier/more convenient less work... and they overwhelmingly majority being fat close to obesity rates back it up.

Simply put its just being sorry and lazy and prefer convenience and no effort then actually cooking. Cost has no barrings or little to more barrings on it cause more is spent going out to eat then groceries no matter where you getting groceries from. The stats, the alarming obesity/overweight stats etc... proves it.

This whole notion of it tears down the community is b.s. Cause these same folks don't complain about Walmart...to which is the biggest company to drive away small business owners.... arab owned and ran gas stations/check cashiers... Korean etc owned beauty supply stores, abundance of liquor stores etc.. that don't provide ANY jobs for the community and pretty much dissipated the black business owner communities. And drop the value of communities faaaaar more then a trader joes.
 
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shoelyesses said:
and ppl who use the its more costly argument aren't even considering that a good majority of ppl in these areas spend more going out to eat aka dining out fast food then groceries anyways....not to mention the average family of 4 groceries monthly cost is 247.50 a month wll the average black family spends over 300 a month on dining out and fast food.....so they can afford even top notch food its just the oh I rather buy cheap stuff aka top ramen...off brand crapola etc.... and eat mckie dees/popeyes/pizza hut etc... 4 or 5 meals a week (btw which is more expensive) then take that money and spend it on actual top quality food etc.

It has nothing to do with cost because they are spending more eating applebees etc... on a weekly basis then the cost of groceries anyhow. Its the oh im to busy 9-10 times doing absolutely nothing to stop buy this stuff and cook it and so I rather stop at kfc and buy a 12 piece family and a bunch of microcrap ready to eat and heat convenient food then actually take the time and COOK...

its laziness and sorriness point blank period. No way can you say oh well certain groups ppl etc.... cant afford top quality groceries when they spend damn near twice as much at red lobster, chillis, papa john etc... 20 bucks is 20 bucks.... so on and so forth. You cant tell me spending close to 50 bucks at ocharleys will last a family of four more then spending 50 bucks at a grocery store no matter if its traders joes or whole foods or hell safeway or krogers.... ITS STILL 50 BUCKS...anyway you slice it. One just is lazy ad requires no effort and is right there and the other requires you to put down the tablet/phone etc.... get off twitter/facebook/instagram...step away from the boob tube and actually COOK.

It isn't the store etc... its the ppl and the values or lack there of them. These same ppl banning not wanted a traders joes/whole food... would be up in arms if a mckie dees, popeyes, checkers etc...was to be taken away from their neighborhood.  No one wants to say it but it is what it is period.
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REPPED

The ones who fight the system the hardest are the ones who keep the system thriving
They complain complain complain and do nothing to dig themselves out of their ignorance
 
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JPEG said:
So anything that improves quality of life in the area should be avoided?

Anything that makes the neighborhood better is going to result in an increase of property value. Safety, education, infrastructure. These are goals for society and government to improve our quality of life.

Also, how is a 'black community' diverse if you're referring to them by the color of their skin. Gentrifying the neighborhood would make it diverse by adding people from various ethnic and cultural backgrounds. Nobody wants to live in an impoverished neighborhood.
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I'm not even black and gentrification killed a lot of our social gatherings. Majority of Tongans used to stay within proximity and help each other out community wise.
I can see the positives regarding improving the community on the outside, but it seems that many are pocketing off others misfortune.
 
I think the real question, how are things going in these communities?

It's easy for a lot of us to say what we would do if we're on the outside looking in, but truth of the matter is, we don't live there.

Are people happy/content with how they're living? That's the bottom line. And by "how they're living," it goes beyond the 4 walls of their home. I'm talking about the community, etc.
 
^^^I understand your reasoning but I can't agree with everything you said. Yes it's cheaper to spend money at on groceries for a month than going to restaurants all the time. Thing is those families aren't going to restaurants every night to eat, it's the fast food (which can be cheaper than groceries) that'll take priority.

Also for those under govt assistant there's also limits to what you can buy. I think WIC does something like 4 apples a week (don't quote me on that). Everything else is on them and they can't afford it. Can't be healthy if there's a limit on the healthy food you buy.
 
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Dropten said:
REPPED

The ones who fight the system the hardest are the ones who keep the system thriving
They complain complain complain and do nothing to dig themselves out of their ignorance
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I don't respect how a person can say oh a tj's a whole food is bad for the community and rejoice and line up in the 10's of 1'000s when they open a Walmart, a dollar store.... etc. Or line up like mindless zombies at the locale liquor stores to buy booze and lottery scratch offs, the plentiful hot wing stands, the beauty supply weave shops, graze like cattle herd to church every sunday...so on and so forth.

Like really what high end communities do you see with pawn shops a plenty.... check cashiers on every corner... Cant go down a major street/intersection without a litter of fast food restaurants... Or go without a 10 mile radius w/o a church around?

Better question how many libraries or schools of higher education do most of these areas have? Even better question how many of them have gyms/fitness centers...hell even have one in the city?

You got ppl complaining about a healthy grocery moving into their area...yet no qualms/dambs are giving aint a gym/fitness center in the entire city... or a library... like really. A group of ppl who have the highest obesity rates...and the lowest education scores complaining...its out right stupid. It would be equal to Biloxi Mississippi (the city with the poorest/worse education system) complaining about a bookstore moving into town and say it would devalue the area and the education of the city....
 
shoelyesses said:
I don't respect how a person can say oh a tj's a whole food is bad for the community and rejoice and line up in the 10's of 1'000s when they open a Walmart, a dollar store.... etc. Or line up like mindless zombies at the locale liquor stores to buy booze and lottery scratch offs, the plentiful hot wing stands, the beauty supply weave shops, graze like cattle herd to church every sunday...so on and so forth.

Like really what high end communities do you see with pawn shops a plenty.... check cashiers on every corner... Cant go down a major street/intersection without a litter of fast food restaurants... Or go without a 10 mile radius w/o a church around?

Better question how many libraries or schools of higher education do most of these areas have? Even better question how many of them have gyms/fitness centers...hell even have one in the city?

You got ppl complaining about a healthy grocery moving into their area...yet no qualms/dambs are giving aint a gym/fitness center in the entire city... or a library... like really. A group of ppl who have the highest obesity rates...and the lowest education scores complaining...its out right stupid. It would be equal to Biloxi Mississippi (the city with the poorest/worse education system) complaining about a bookstore moving into town and say it would devalue the area and the education of the city....
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Guess theyd rather have crack pipes fill up that empty lot rather than jobs and foottraffic

Am I really living in America?
 
silkboi said:
^^^I understand your reasoning but I can't agree with everything you said. Yes it's cheaper to spend money at on groceries for a month than going to restaurants all the time. Thing is those families aren't going to restaurants every night to eat, it's the fast food (which can be cheaper than groceries) that'll take priority.

Also for those under govt assistant there's also limits to what you can buy. I think WIC does something like 4 apples a week (don't quote me on that). Everything else is on them and they can't afford it. Can't be healthy if there's a limit on the healthy food you buy.
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if you on average eat around 3 meals cooked t home then yes you are eating majority of your meals out...... even with avg fast food meal at 6-7 dollars per person.... That's damn near 30 bucks to which I could feed a family of for a single meal cheaper and would be more nutritious then 30 bucks. Hell I have 2 girls and I do it on a daily basis.... So fast food aside its malarkey....

I bought a pack of chicken a 2 lb bag of frozen mixed veggies....a pack of rolls and some juice...and I had spent roughly 15 and change... the chicken pack has 12 pieces of chicken.... surely if me and my 2 daughters went to mckie dees etc... ordered 2 pizzas etc...we would've spend 15 easily even more once you super sized it. And it surely wouldn't last us as long as 12 pieces of chicken will.

Point blank period...its just I aint in a rush to see being mary jane... or to bothered to cook cause I gotta post selfies... or don't got time cause I gotta get ready for scandal to come on. I am not sorry fat and lazy and will actually cook. Its just that simple. Ppl try to overanalyze and make things over complicated.... its lazy sorry uneducated ppl with little to no values... and priorities out of wack... (I mean this is evident with being overweight and being a mom with no daddies in the life etc anyways...) Who just want the most simpliest easiest way to feed they kids and don't be bothered with them so they can go back to twitter wars, posting pics.... and watching the boob tube.
 
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For guys who agree with the decision, how do you improve the community without raising area prices due to improvements?
 
im sure TJ isnt even sweating this.

they're doing just fine without a store there.

if the locals dont want it, then that's the way it should be. who are we to say what they need?
 
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