Michael Sam Ramifications Not Yet Thought Of

CP1708 said:
I know it sounds crazy to everyone, but in 5-10-15 years, there will be openly gay couples on a team.

We all know the numbers, there's 1,600+ players, at just 1-2 per team there's likely 100+ in the league.

In time, a scenario will come as I described. How will teams handle that will be VERRRRY interesting.

Didn't open the thread as jokes, but I probably should have known it would go this way.
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Just a slightly unfair assumption that if there's more than 1 gay guy on a team there will be attraction between at least 2 of them and they'll put aside professionalism for their own wants.

Even if it were to come about, there have been much worse incidents between teammates.  Conflict happens and either the parties resolve it and put their personal issues aside on the playing field or a change is made.

The general assumption that because someone is gay they're going be attracted to you and that a locker room is somehow like a prison scene is just further proof of how homosexual men are viewed.
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
CP1708 said:
I know it sounds crazy to everyone, but in 5-10-15 years, there will be openly gay couples on a team.


We all know the numbers, there's 1,600+ players, at just 1-2 per team there's likely 100+ in the league.


In time, a scenario will come as I described. How will teams handle that will be VERRRRY interesting.


Didn't open the thread as jokes, but I probably should have known it would go this way.
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Just a slightly unfair assumption that if there's more than 1 gay guy on a team there will be attraction between at least 2 of them and they'll put aside professionalism for their own wants.

Even if it were to come about, there have been much worse incidents between teammates.  Conflict happens and either the parties resolve it and put their personal issues aside on the playing field or a change is made.

The general assumption that because someone is gay they're going be attracted to you and that a locker room is somehow like a prison scene is just further proof of how homosexual men are viewed.
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I wasn't trying to be unfair, but I am trying to be logical.

Guy is married to his wife, loves her to death, great wife, great marriage, everything good. He gets a job with 10 secretaries you're just begging for future trouble. :lol:

It won't happen right away, but in time, there WILL be couples in Sports. I have no idea how long, but the day will come, much like Michael Sam brought this day upon us.

And it opens a new door of issues. Spouces right now don't mean squat. LaLa wants to be in "power" with Melo, but in the end, he's the only one playin. Vanessa been on Laker fans radar for years as a potential problem. But they obviously are not TRUE parts of the team.

In time, if two athletes are in fact dating, on the same team, now you have an array of issues. What if you need to trade one? What if one is older, and his game is diminishing, and you need to cut him? What if they break up-get divorced? What about contract issues with one or both?

These are things never had to worry about before, sure there is always the friends, or the leadership of a player leaving a roster, but this is something entirely different and could cause new issues for front offices. That's more so what I was tryin to point out.
 
Philosophiae Dr said:
Good read.

On a serious note, I've played with some gay athletes (that you would have never guessed) and they were some of the nicest, most down to earth, dedicated teammates I've ever had.

Michael Sam seems to fit that bill.
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I like how ESPN took the next step after Sam's admission. They interviewed and produced a special with his Missouri teammates. To get their reception, feedback, inner thoughts.
 
Professionalism will hopefully supercede all of that. They They want want to trade the QB fine, they break up and he's open you better throw him the football.
 
CP1708 said:
 
 
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I wasn't trying to be unfair, but I am trying to be logical.

Guy is married to his wife, loves her to death, great wife, great marriage, everything good. He gets a job with 10 secretaries you're just begging for future trouble.
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It won't happen right away, but in time, there WILL be couples in Sports. I have no idea how long, but the day will come, much like Michael Sam brought this day upon us.

And it opens a new door of issues. Spouces right now don't mean squat. LaLa wants to be in "power" with Melo, but in the end, he's the only one playin. Vanessa been on Laker fans radar for years as a potential problem. But they obviously are not TRUE parts of the team.

In time, if two athletes are in fact dating, on the same team, now you have an array of issues. What if you need to trade one? What if one is older, and his game is diminishing, and you need to cut him? What if they break up-get divorced? What about contract issues with one or both?

These are things never had to worry about before, sure there is always the friends, or the leadership of a player leaving a roster, but this is something entirely different and could cause new issues for front offices. That's more so what I was tryin to point out.
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Once again, we were going off the idea that 2-3 players on a team are gay.  I don't think that's fair to compare to an office setting with with one guy & 10 secretaries.  It's not impossible but it's not a certainty either and I don't think it's fair to make those assumptions.  Whether it's your intent or not it stinks of the belief that gay men are hypersexual that usually comes from people who aren't accepting (I won't say homophobic because there's a difference) and they're automatically gonna wanna **** you just because.  I'm not saying that's your viewpoint but let's not act let it doesn't get thrown around casually as a stereotype.
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Philosophiae Dr said:
Good read.

On a serious note, I've played with some gay athletes (that you would have never guessed) and they were some of the nicest, most down to earth, dedicated teammates I've ever had.

Michael Sam seems to fit that bill.
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I like how ESPN took the next step after Sam's admission. They interviewed and produced a special with his Missouri teammates. To get their reception, feedback, inner thoughts.
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Link?  I tried to look it up, only found an interview with Pinkel.
 
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I hear you, I was goin off rough percentages tho.

1,600+ players, 10% would be 160, 5% 80, etc.

Even just 5% would almost be 3 per team.


I was goin off the math moreso hypersexual. Make more sense where I was comin from?


I realize the actual match could be wrong, maybe there's 5 in an entire league, at that point, yeah I will have overexagerated the possibilities I guess.
 
Ya'll blowing this out of proportion.


Yes is this big news? No doubt.


But who knows what his impact on the field will be. He's a tweener for his position and I doubt he sees a starting DE or LB role off the bat.


If my Giants drafted him I'd be fine with it. And I'm sure players would be fine with it.

Would there be some that wouldn't be okay with it? Yeah, sure.


But pro sports reflects every day society in a lot of ways.


In any workplace you're going to have people from all different walks of life coming together (no pun intended). Do some dislike some other's lifestyle or background? Sure. But for the most part people go to work and get the job done.


And that's what it's going to be. You don't have to like Michael Sam the person, but as an NFL player here's a kid who can come in and potentially blossom into an impact player. And again, I doubt that's going to be off the bat because of his lack of size/speed for his position. So in the end any team that drafts him is going to need its players to embrace dude. It's counterproductive to sit there and let your personal feelings toward another man's sexual preference compromise your ability to do your job.


Be it in the pro sport world or the corporate world.
 
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NooEra said:
More fam. WAY more. Theres 50 something people on a team and 32 teams
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You gotta be extremely naive or sheltered if you think theres only 15 gay dudes in the NFL
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The dude after me said less than 10, but you quoted me.  
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We're supposed to just take the "general pop" numbers and plug them in for a tiny sample size of elite athletes?

15 guys is 1 on 50% of the teams.

It's closer to 15 than it is 100.

If there were consistently 100 gay men in the NFL, someone would have came out by now.

And All-Pro safeties wouldn't be blackballed from the league for being gay if it was so common place.
 
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Being an elite athlete has absolutely nothing to do with your sexuality though.

Almost 2k players in the NFL. Only 15 of them gay. Right.
 
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 at all of the math to try to figure out how many gay dudes there might be in the NFL. 
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Is it possible there ends up being some conflict because of relationships within a team?  Sure.  Is it likely?  Nah.  What's gonna be a bigger issue: two guys dating or normal issues between straight guys?  Kobe & Shaq or Cuttino & Steve?
 
ScarsOrScabs said:
Once again, we were going off the idea that 2-3 players on a team are gay.  I don't think that's fair to compare to an office setting with with one guy & 10 secretaries.  It's not impossible but it's not a certainty either and I don't think it's fair to make those assumptions.  Whether it's your intent or not it stinks of the belief that gay men are hypersexual that usually comes from people who aren't accepting (I won't say homophobic because there's a difference) and they're automatically gonna wanna **** you just because.  I'm not saying that's your viewpoint but let's not act let it doesn't get thrown around casually as a stereotype.


Link?  I tried to look it up, only found an interview with Pinkel.
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ESPN first aired it during a SportsCenter segment. Looked everywhere, couldn't find it for you.

The gist was camaraderie and brotherhood. All of Sam's teammates were willing to protect him from backlash. One guy said, "People kill themselves over this stuff." His point seemed to be about raising awareness, social equality, suicide prevention.
 
I'm just waiting to see someone come out that doesn't have a zest in his step.

Sam talks with his neck and it's wired how you can tell he's gay. Like his team wasn't shocked.
 
KingKoopa said:
I'm just waiting to see someone come out that doesn't have a zest in his step.

Sam talks with his neck and it's wired how you can tell he's gay. Like his team wasn't shocked.
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I havent seen him talk before the interview, but has he ALWAYS talked like that?
 
I don't understand why people think this is a dumb question.

I worked for a "team" before and this became an issue. Two girls dealt with eachother on that level and then they broke up. Another girl started talking to one of those girls and then we have a 3-way BEEF that throws off the chemistry of the team. It is simple math. It will happen and it needs to be addressed. Not sure what was hard to understand about the OP.
 
DCAllAmerican said:
I don't understand why people think this is a dumb question.

I worked for a "team" before and this became an issue. Two girls dealt with eachother on that level and then they broke up. Another girl started talking to one of those girls and then we have a 3-way BEEF that throws off the chemistry of the team. It is simple math. It will happen and it needs to be addressed. Not sure what was hard to understand about the OP.
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Thank you.

I know I can count on you to bump this thread in 4-5 years when an issue comes to light. :lol:
 
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