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Mr Fongstarr said:
How so? Honestly if I am wrong, I'd like to know why. I am not above being wrong. Again, this is an opinion of mine. I know individuals that live in Oakland Hill,s Piedmont and Rockridge and I hardly hear them say they live in Oakland. I mean if you know that the majority of the people that live in those areas say otherwise, then I guess I am wrong. Seriously.....last thing I am trying to be is a punk on here.
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I have to lol. I'm from the Oakland hills, always been proud to be from Oakland. Piedmont people are a bit different, technically Piedmont is separate from Oakland so of course they would specify Piedmont. Rockridge , Claremont, Montclair, Skyline Hills, Grass Valley. All people from these areas are typically families who've been here for generations and love Oakland and it's history. Proud Oaklanders who will let you know with the quickness they are from Oakland.
 
ICE CITY FC said:
These are RECENT developments proposed, approved, or broke ground within the past 365 DAYS. I'm not even going to dive into the billions of dollars invested in Oakland dating back the last fifteen years that were what actually got us to this point. 

Business, sales, hotel and property taxes rose to unprecedented levels last year. Oakland is an investors wet dream right now. Anybody with the even the vaguest idea about Oakland's economy knows this. 

Again you come with that stupid **** and present it as fact I'm gonna call you on it. 
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ICE CITY FC said:
These are RECENT developments proposed, approved, or broke ground within the past 365 DAYS. I'm not even going to dive into the billions of dollars invested in Oakland dating back the last fifteen years that were what actually got us to this point. 

Business, sales, hotel and property taxes rose to unprecedented levels last year. Oakland is an investors wet dream right now. Anybody with the even the vaguest idea about Oakland's economy knows this. 

Again you come with that stupid **** and present it as fact I'm gonna call you on it. 
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Congrats then bro, enjoy this Oakland that you speak of. If you drive through the streets of Oakland today and believe progress is really occurring than I guess our expectations are different. BTW, Just curious what part of Oakland do you reside at?
 
SFC415 said:
Parts of Oakland are some of the nicest in the Bay Area, especially the more north you go and the area around Piedmont. Don't trash the whole city for its bad parts, which aren't even that bad anymore unless you do stupid @#$%.

Hell, my parents live in a nice neighborhood in San Jose, once of the safest cities in the country, and there are still parts of East SJ that I refuse to go to unless I'm looking bummy or hood for the day
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you soft like terry cloth my dude.

east sj are just bunch of mexicans and vietnamese. the bark is definitely worse than the bite--i guess you can say. 

east sj is nothing like oakland. over in east sj folks are actually sstill scared when the cops roll through.
 
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If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  

I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
 
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andycs said:
you soft like terry cloth my dude.

east sj are just bunch of mexicans and vietnamese. the bark is definitely worse than the bite--i guess you can say. 

east sj is nothing like oakland. over in east sj folks are actually sstill scared when the cops roll through.
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Congrats on being an expert on slums and toughness. where did i even make a comparison? Just said that there's bad neighborhoods in every city.

You're one of those dudes who's proud of being from a @$%@ part of town huh? I grew up in one of the worst parts of SF in the 90s but I don't act like it makes me better than anyone else. Loser mentality
 
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ICE CITY FC said:
If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  
  
I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
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Ive been in the bay (sf) for 4 years...
Its hard for me to see the progress you speak of.

Btw, i used to mess wit a joint off of Edes.
 
Damn they had to go get my ***** Tyrone Koppel to narrate tho?​
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ICE CITY FC said:
If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  
  
I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
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Speaking of kids, how are the school systems in Oakland? Investments are one thing but there are still those people that want to own a homes because it is near a good school system and want to raise a family.
 
anyone see that show last night about oakland? forgot what channel but is was on time warner. showed nortenos, surenos and border boys
 
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ICE CITY FC said:
If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  
  
I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
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Ive been in the bay (sf) for 4 years...
Its hard for me to see the progress you speak of.

Btw, i used to mess wit a joint off of Edes.
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Ok, I'm sure the fact that you're a regional transplant who's never even lived in the city with no scope, no perspective, and zero basis for comparison can account for that.


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ICE CITY FC said:
If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  
  
I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
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Speaking of kids, how are the school systems in Oakland? Investments are one thing but there are still those people that want to own a homes because it is near a good school system and want to raise a family.
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Public school system is in pretty bad shape, one of those very few negatives I was talking about. The private schools are various and range from good to some of the best in the nation. Almost half of kids K - 8 enroll in or private or charter schools.


I actually got a chance to meet interim Superintendent Garry Yee last month and the situation right now is pretty bad. OUSD can't even begin to focus on educating number one priority short term is debt solutions and just trying to stay solvent.
 
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I went to Oakland for the Steelers game.

Even though we had good seats, I was scared the entire time.

Probably the last time I go there.
 
I have a business in Richmond and let me tell you...Oakland has always had its bad neighborhoods....but literally the entire city of Richmond is in the gutter...:smh:

Only reason my shop is here because its the cheapest rent in the entire Bay Area...have gun shot holes on the side of our building...people stealing stuff left and right...you leave ANYTHING of value outside...doesn't matter if its worth $1, that **** will be gone the next day...can't begin to tell you how many times someone has mowed down our fence :lol:....they just back their truck up, take out the fence and load up scrap metal (literally the fence is worth more than the metal...smfh...)....

Can't put up security cameras because they just shoot them...can't make a police report because they won't do anything anyways...:lol:

During the day its not too bad, but you'd never catch me out here at night...hell no...
 
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Mr Fongstarr said:
ICE CITY FC said:
If you don't understand that progress is occurring then your expectations aren't based in reality. Fact is in the last four years Oakland has far exceeded the expectations of already incredibly optimistic economist, developers, and city planners. 

What's crazy is what a great place this was to be before the development despite the very very limited yet severe short comings. The Oakland my kids are going to grow up in will be nothing like the Oakland I grew up in. Money and booming business isn't everything, I hope their experience is as positive as mine has been.  
  
I live off 98th Avenue but I've had stints all over only exception being the West. 
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Speaking of kids, how are the school systems in Oakland? Investments are one thing but there are still those people that want to own a homes because it is near a good school system and want to raise a family.
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Honest to God, the issue of public school is so dense that there's no way for someone to break it down simply in a post on here. I've been researching it for about a year now as I want to carve out a career that deals with children in public school in some capacity, so I can tell you that one huge problem is revenue that schools gain from property taxes surrounding the school district. If the properties in the surrounding area are empty lots that are undesirable, or there are dilapidated homes that run down the blocks from the playground, or any kind of factory work nearby that decreases the quality of life, then the monetary value of the entire area is depreciated significantly, and so any property tax designed to support schools would be MUCH less than if you were look somewhere like Walnut Creek or whatever other affluent area you can think of which is packed with valuable land.

Then you get to the issue of not being able to attract quality teacher because of not having enough money from the property taxes, so the districts are stuck having to dole out poor pay, and then having to contend with the inherent bias some would have against working and living in a place like Oakland (I'm speaking more to people unfamiliar with the area, rather than those who grew up nearby and have a better understanding). So without being able to offer competitive pay and needing to have people who are devoted teachers who are willing to learn to manage kids who come from incredibly difficult circumstances, you cannot bring in the right talent to do the right job.

And then we come to the mother of all these issues, which unsurprisingly is tied to racial segregation. This in itself deserves so much more than I can articulate without studying more, but if anyone is truly interested I suggest reading Savage Inequalities by Jonathan Kozol. Even just the first chapter discussing East St. Louis will bring you into the calamity of urban life, especially for the children, who are the most victimized by all of this.
 
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I don't understand why people keep saying SF > oakland? 

Of course SF is going to be the gem of the bay area, always has been, always will. 

The point is Oakland is a great place with a lot of potential. I hope to see it one day as the Brooklyn to SF's Manhattan. 

For now, for me the sweet spot would be a place like Alameda. 

Alameda is right next to Oakland, super close to SF, a great place to raise a family. I would LOVE to live in Alameda. 
 
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I have some familiarity with Oaktown. I never been to the bad parts but have never encountered anything crazy. It sees like all the crazy ish happens at night.

First time I was in downtown Oakland, I felt like I got transported to the 70's and into some blaxploitation movie. The buildings are so old and it didn't (hasn't) been any economic upheaval at all. I can say there are some great places to eat in DT Oakland and a decent bar scene that has sprouted up, especially around the Fox Theater area. Also, coming from NYC the prices are great! Seems like there is a little bit of gentrification going on but it still has a long way to go (I'm talmbout downtown). It seems like Oakland still has a stigma attached to it and people just aren't willing to cross the Bay. At least people from out of town that aren't familiar with the Yay area.

Also, I've ridden the BART from SF many times and everything has been cool. Been to several Dubs game and same thing. Last Oct. I went to a Raiders vs. ******** game, fully decked in my Skins gear and had no drama at all. In fact, people were pretty friendly, lol. I gotta give Raiders fans props too though b/c they are great fans even though their team has been trash for years now.

Would love to hear what a local thinks of my opinion. I'm an outsider but have been to Oakland enough times to have a good feel for it. To me it's has a real indie vibe, something you might could find in Bushwick, Brooklyn a few years ago.
 
Th3RealF0lkBlu3s said:
Honest to God, the issue of public school is so dense that there's no way for someone to break it down simply in a post on here. I've been researching it for about a year now as I want to carve out a career that deals with children in public school in some capacity, so I can tell you that one huge problem is revenue that schools gain from property taxes surrounding the school district. If the properties in the surrounding area are empty lots that are undesirable, or there are dilapidated homes that run down the blocks from the playground, or any kind of factory work nearby that decreases the quality of life, then the monetary value of the entire area is depreciated significantly, and so any property tax designed to support schools would be MUCH less than if you were look somewhere like Walnut Creek or whatever other affluent area you can think of which is packed with valuable land.

Then you get to the issue of not being able to attract quality teacher because of not having enough money from the property taxes, so the districts are stuck having to dole out poor pay, and then having to contend with the inherent bias some would have against working and living in a place like Oakland (I'm speaking more to people unfamiliar with the area, rather than those who grew up nearby and have a better understanding). So without being able to offer competitive pay and needing to have people who are devoted teachers who are willing to learn to manage kids who come from incredibly difficult circumstances, you cannot bring in the right talent to do the right job.

And then we come to the mother of all these issues, which unsurprisingly is tied to racial segregation. This in itself deserves so much more than I can articulate without studying more, but if anyone is truly interested I suggest reading Savage Inequalities by Jonathan Kozol. Even just the first chapter discussing East St. Louis will bring you into the calamity of urban life, especially for the children, who are the most victimized by all of this.
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Thanks for the response (and ICE CITY FC). Seems like a very circulatory system. I am sort of at that age where realistically I will be starting a family in the next 3-4 years and I need to move somewhere that makes sense cause affording SF housing is totally out of the picture. I am trying to persuade my girl to just go back to the East Bay but she is pretty stern on wanting to send our future kids to the SF school system, more notably Lowell high school where she went. That school is so different from my high school that she told mer her graduating class almost had a 70-80% of the kids going to UCs where as the others went to states and no one went to JCs. At my high school, well over 50% all went to junior colleges (DVC and CCC) and the rest went to states and UCs or trade schools.

Anyways.....just such a difficult thing to pick out seeing how there are so many factors of what is important and even where we work.
 
^^An option would be moving to cheaper neighborhood and sending your kids to private school

Youre goin to pay either way, either where you live or what school
 
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