The Flash (CW Series) thread, season 9

[everysingletime]

^Batman has been the most popular DC character by far yes, but nobody stays on the top forever.

All it takes is for the actor to hit it out of the park with his role and look how popular the character gets..

Case in point, Chris Pratt with Star Lord

RDJ with Iron Man

Etc.

And if Affleck fumbles his role as Batman, then actor who plays Flash may just be the most popular actor on the cast by default

 

[Master Zik]

^Batman has been the most popular DC character by far yes, but nobody stays on the top forever.

Son Just stop.

All it takes is for the actor to hit it out of the park with his role and look how popular the character gets..

The kid playing Flash won't.

Quote me.

Case in point, Chris Pratt with Star Lord

RDJ with Iron Man

Etc.

Star-Lord doesn't have a solo movie and as a hero isn't more popular than Spider-Man in the movies. There's no case in point to be had there.

RDJR is a big reason for IM's success but even when the first one came out it wasn't a bigger hit than the Spidey movies at the time. The sole reason IM3 made a billi is cuz it was coming off the success of Avengers. The movie itself didn't generate all of that on it's own.

And if Affleck fumbles his role as Batman, then actor who plays Flash may just be the most popular actor on the cast by default

Battfleck wouldn't just have to fumble. The movie would have to be a straight up atrocity for the Flash movie to be a bigger hit and that on it's own would have to be one of the better movies period the year it comes out.

I say all that to really say I do not see what you see in what WB has done with their DC cinematic universe that would indicate in any way that the Flash movie is going to be a bigger hit than the Battfleck movie let alone the next Supes movie. The movie is literally years out and you're calling this based off what? The guy cast as Flash?

 

[Platinum State]

I loved the finale. Strong season, only couple weak episodes in the beginning. Im keep asking myself "can season 2 be this good"?
They only thing I dont get is why did Flash from the future shake his head at present Flash off when he saw him trying to save his mom?

 

[Based Jesus]

I loved the finale. Strong season, only couple weak episodes in the beginning. Im keep asking myself "can season 2 be this good"?
They only thing I dont get is why did Flash from the future shake his head at present Flash off when he saw him trying to save his mom?

It might have to do with flashpoint paradox where Flash does go back and save his mother but ruins everything.

Future flash could be aware of this which is why he told him not to do it. Or it could just be that not messing with time is common sense.

 

[Cashflow]

It's flat but looks like it would taste good.

Nice & Moist

 

[shogun]

It's flat but looks like it would taste good.

Nice & Moist

Kosher too.

 

[everysingletime]

It sounds like you're lending a little too much weight to the Avengers for IM3 breaking that one billion mark. Cap 2 and Thor 2 got post Avengers boosts as well but not quite as big as Iron Man.

Yes I know Spiderman is still a bigger solo character than Star Lord. That goes without saying. Why bring that up. I was just pointing out how popular a character can get just from how well an actor can portray him in the movies. He went from obscurity to being mainstream known is what I'm saying just based off of how well Chris Pratt played him. Star Lord's popularity among kids right now has nothing to do with the comics.

And you're ignoring the possibility that Batman's previous success can work against Battfleck. A little bit like how the first Spider Man trilogy's success works against the ASM series. Fans are going to be constantly comparing Battfleck's portrayal and movies to TDK series. If he doesn't measure up to the big expectations ... then splat.

I don''t know how what I said is that outlandish. MoS was underwhelming compared to expectations at the box office. Ppl doubting Gal's WW hardcore. Affleck stands in the way, yes. I'm just saying that the guy who plays Flash doesn't have as big a mountain to climb as you think. You're acting like Affleck already has his solo movie out and it's already a hit. He has just as much to prove still as kid who plays Flash, if not more, because he's rebooting a Batman so close to a very successful series. I mean, don't tell me you haven't forgotten how much fans were up in arms when his name was first announced.

It probably just bothers you that i'm throwing my statement out there years out because I like dude who plays Flash. But why do I need proof or evidence though. This **** aint a book report.

 

[Master Zik]

It sounds like you're lending a little too much weight to the Avengers for IM3 breaking that one billion mark.

Nah not really.

Just look at the past IM movie grossing and the huge jump for IM3. It's literally due to it being in a post Avengers movie going world.

Cap 2 and Thor 2 got post Avengers boosts as well but not quite as big as Iron Man.

IM3 benefited greatly and directly by being the first MCU movie to come out after Avengers given that it was such a huge hit.

That's why Cap2 or Thor2 didn't get the same boost. I said that the first time. Of course it wouldn't be as big. It specifically wouldn't be that big given the let down that IM3 was.

To make more sense, had Ant-Man been in AOU, it would've got an insanely huge boost when the solo comes out this summer. Consequently, given the last movie has actually been good and it's building off what just happened in AOU as far as new characters at the least, you should expect Civil War to get the deserved boost of basically being another Avengers sequel.

Nothing about the IM3 movie itself tells you it was good enough to be making a billion dollars I mean it didn't even sell out in a Transformers sort of way where they just gave you mindless action

Yes I know Spiderman is still a bigger solo character than Star Lord. That goes without saying. Why bring that up.

Why? Because as far as popularity goes for DC and Marvel their two most popular heroes equivalent wise are Batman and Spider-Man. You brought up MCU characters and movies to support the idea that Flash can not just become a hit movie character but that he'd become a bigger hit than Batman. That just doesn't make sense, there's nothing to support that.

That's why I brought up Spidey cuz you brought up Star-Lord and misrepresented IM's huge rise to popularity.

And you're ignoring the possibility that Batman's previous success can work against Batffleck.

Not for the first solo Batman movie. That won't happen at all.

Besides we're not comparing Batffleck to past Batman movies. If your argument was the Batffleck movie won't do as good as TDK or even TDKR # wise I wouldn't disagree but simply say wait and see after BvS.

Thing is we're not comparing Batman movies. We're talking about the established success of Batman movies to you're assumed success for a Flash movie none of us know the actual potential of. Even if past Batman movies hurt the Batffleck, you're suggesting that it'd hurt it to the point that it'd do so bad that the Flash movie doing it's best would eclipse Batman. That's something I'd have to see to believe.

A little bit like how the first Spider Man trilogy's success works against the ASM series.

No it didn't.

The ASM series sucked all on it's own. The only thing that hurt in relation to the first SM trilogy is how soon they decided to reboot given the last Spidey movie. That had nothing to do with the success of the trilogy though especially given how bad SM3 was. That aside they firmly established how underwhelming their new rebooted Spidey franchise would be.

Fans are going to be constantly comparing Battfleck's portrayal and movies to TDK series.

So? That doesn't mean Batfans won't come out in droves to watch it. That doesn't mean more ppl are gonna go watch the Flash movie instead.

If he doesn't measure up to the big expectations ... then splat.

No.

What are you basing this on? When they went from all the other past Batman reboots was that the case?

I don''t know how what I said is that outlandish.

You said to quote you, as if it was a guarantee by you, that the Flash movie we know little to nothing about - except for who is playing him and maybe the director and screenwriter - would be a bigger hit than Batman and the other two big name DC heroes. It really seems you're basing this more off of how much you like the CW show than anything about what we've heard about the movie. The Flash movie is years out. The Batman solo movies haven't even been announced yet. It could be announced to be coming as soon as before the JL movie or right after it. We don't know if Ben will also be taking on directorial duties or if they'll actually get some other good director, nor do we know the screenwriter for the solo. To me you're just assuming a lot of things. It's outlandish cuz you're basically calling the fall of a titan that's more times than not a sure thing.

That's why.

MoS was underwhelming compared to expectations at the box office. Ppl doubting Gal's WW hardcore.

I couldn't give a **** about them as long as Goyer and Snyder got their hands in it.

As far as Batman though, the early rumors have been different about his solo movies.

Affleck stands in the way, yes. I'm just saying that the guy who plays Flash doesn't have as big a mountain to climb as you think. You're acting like Affleck already has his solo movie out and it's already a hit.

Yes he does have that big of a mountain to climb.

No I'm not acting like Affleck's solo is already out. I KNOW what's it like to be hyped for a Batman movie and to see the results. Not just the Nolan movies either. Batman has the track record. Batman has the proven success. To me it is not close when you're saying that the Flash won't just measure up but completely surpass Bats.

This is more like if you had said the GotG movie or the sequel even would make more money than Avengers or AOU. That's what this is like.

He has just as much to prove still as kid who plays Flash, if not more, because he's rebooting a Batman so close to a very successful series.

To me this is the delusional talk.

You're acting like the Nolan Batman trilogy was the end all be all of Batman cinema. As if even the idea of making another Batman movie is unthinkable. This is all nonsense.

He's ******* BATMAN.

I mean, don't tell me you haven't forgotten how much fans were up in arms when his name was first announced.

I didn't forget. I think you're simply putting this way too much on Ben Affleck and ignoring the Batman part. As far as effort goes Ben just has to not come through with a dumb deep voice for most of the movie to start off right.

It probably just bothers you that i'm throwing my statement out there years out because I like dude who plays Flash.

No it doesn't. Stop coming up with bull **** reasons for why I'd disagree with you about this. I don't have anything against the guy playing Flash. That's irrelevant. I don't and haven't had anything bad to say about the guy as far as I know. I don't even doubt he'll be a good Flash unlike how most ppl reacted to him (don't tell me you forgot how most ppl reacted to when he was cast as Flash? If anything the size of that reaction compared to the reaction of Batffleck should let you know why what you said just doesn't make sense. More ppl give a **** about one than the other).

You made an absurd statement and you're trying to make it sound reasonable. You even tried to group Batman in with Wonder Woman and Superman to downplay the feat that would be if it happened relative to the popularity of Batman in media. Those 2 are peons compared to Batman. Flash isn't going to be a bigger hit than Batman. Not in the same weight class. You're literally trying to use Marvel's success as support but at the same time when you suggest Batffleck might fail it's because of how ppl have reacted to MOS. Have you forgotten the Flash movie will be set in the same CU? The Flash can be just as bad as MOS was if not worse.

To me that's the difference at the end of the day. Batman is gonna be Batman, that aint gonna change with his movies unless they go full on Adam West with it or go 90s extreme with it. Flash though, they're talking about making the Flash movie very different from the show (which did a great job of portraying the Flash) because it has to fit in with the same universe that MOS has established. Most ppl's complaints is that cuz of the Nolan success, they have Snyder just going dark with everything. Dark and gritty fits fine for Batman, it doesn't for Supes or Flash. It might work for MM and WW if they focus hard on her being more warrior than superhero. They're obviously going that direction with Aquaman. Longshot chance of that working with GL and I still don't believe the Cyborg movie will be made. So just going off what we know chances are Batffleck will be in his wheelhouse while a good deal of the rest will be squares forced in to circles.

But why do I need proof or evidence though. This **** aint a book report.

I didn't say you needed proof or evidence though.

You simply have nothing to support what you said. That's why I said it makes no sense. You reply with well this could happen, and this bad thing might happen for Batman. It's nothing but what ifs and hypotheticals. Basically everything bad possible would have to happen for the Batffleck solo movie to tank while you haven't really said what would have to go right for the Flash movie other than it wouldn't take much to reach and pass Batman as a hit when it seems like what you're not saying is it basically would have to have everything go right for it and pretty much go against what's been established up to this point Sorry that I called you out.

 

[MarvelSux]

Movie Flash is going to be a bigger hit with the fans than movie Superman Batman Wonder Woman

Quote me

Henry Cavill has the personality of a stick

I like Gal, but I just don't know about her as WW

Battfleck has a chance to shine

 

[...So]

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[Top Boy]

 
This season finale really hit home for me...

Will definitely tune in for season 2.

You have super speed?

 

[...So]

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[Maserati Fox]

My mother passed away two years ago.  And for him to go back in time and talk to her one last time before she had passed really is something. That's something that I could never have. That one last moment..so it really got to me emotionally... 

I know how you feel bro, I lost my dad 4 years ago and still feel it. The best way to honor her is by living a life she'd be proud of. Keep your head up fam

 

[frink85]

Q: just caught up with the finale, but missed the first 15 mins or so. Why did Wells/Thawne need Barry to open the wormhole and save his mother? At the end he was pissed that Barry didn't save her...I thought his whole thing now that he's been caught and done for was to return to his timeline?

Otherwise, great episode. So many feels...Eddie was a wild card character to me the whole season but damb to go out like that hero for real

 

[frink85]

And the end had me reading up on singularities and time paradoxes

 

[everysingletime]

For Zik, in spoilers

Spoiler

OK, you're going a little overboard, bro. You're taking everything I'm saying and skewing it to make your argument.

Making me out to be a TDK die-hard that's looking at everything with blinders on and because of it I don't think they can make a good Batman series again ever.

That's far from the truth. I didn't even like TDK series that much. My favorite was Begins and I didn't like the subsequent movies as much. But it was still a successful series that happened very recently, so you're going to bet any recent reboot is going to draw comparisons to that series, and it could be to the reboot's detriment. That's what I'm saying but you want to take that statement and make it extreme. Just stop man, I'm not even a DC die hard like that.

At the end of the day, we both don't know how it's going to play out. The Batman rebooted can still be a more popular character than the Flash sure, and if after their movies come out and this is the case, then I'm wrong and then you can call me out. What I don't appreciate is you calling me out now because you think because Affleck is playing Batman, that he can't possibly mess it up and the stars have to align for the hierarchy to change. This is basically what I see you're saying. You can't allow for any other possibility but success because you are that sure. Because it's frigging Batman. Your words.

For the record, yes, I am aware Flash and Batman are taking place in the same movie universe, and being made by the same people. I'm saying all things being equal, the difference is going to go to the actors. My statement comes down to I'm confident in the Flash casting and I'm still skeptical about Battfleck.

If you don't agree with it, fine, but then you have to call me delusional like you have a crystal ball. That part, I don't get.

It'll probably be one thing if I'm saying what I'm saying after this new Batman becomes a big hit and everyone is all over Ben's nuts like RDJ, but none of the movies are even out yet. So.. What's the problem?

Also, another thing, we might have to the this to PMs or spoilers so we don't continue to hijack thread

 

[Undefined]

I thought this was the Marvel thread for a second 

 

[ASE]

Nah it's just been zik'd.

 

[jays25]

...So Maserati Fox Lost my dad 2 years ago and the part where Barry talks to Joe and says "Goodbye dad" really hit me hard. (Even some of my friends admitted they almost teared up at the scene as well) Their relationship is honestly one of my favorite parts of this show and I just think it's been done very well, while at the same time not being disrespectful to Barry's relationship with Robert. You have the first few episodes where Barry's going on about how Joe's not his father to now, where he's fully admitting that Joe's been his father in every way that matters, and he's risking giving that up. I loved this entire season honestly. The side characters and their storylines grew on me and I think the villains were presented fairly well.

I'm thinking that the reason for Future Barry stopping Present Barry from saving his mom will probably be explained next season. May have to do with the "crisis" that Flash supposedly disappears in, and that like with Flashpoint in the comics Barry changing the past was the cause of it.

Also, when Jay Garrick's helmet came out of the time portal

 

[the qbz]

But if eddie is gone then how can wells go back in time

 

[KingParappa]

But if eddie is gone then how can wells go back in time

He can't. He created a paradox. It's why I think the wormhole came back.

 

[Master Zik]

For the record, yes, I am aware Flash and Batman are taking place in the same movie universe, and being made by the same people. I'm saying all things being equal, the difference is going to go to the actors. My statement comes down to I'm confident in the Flash casting and I'm still skeptical about Battfleck.

If you don't agree with it, fine, but then you have to call me delusional like you have a crystal ball. That part, I don't get.

And all I'm saying, based off that it sounds pretty crazy trying to guarantee that Flash will be a bigger hit than Batman.

It sounds delusional to me cuz we're talking about the Flash and Batman.

All things are not equal. A movie's success can't just be whittled down to the actors players the protagonists. If you wanted this to just be about this casting is better than that casting to you, I was never going to just agree to that because going off your initial post it wasn't just about that. It was simply a blanket statement and prediction.

You don't think it's that crazy. I do and very much so.

Q: just caught up with the finale, but missed the first 15 mins or so. Why did Wells/Thawne need Barry to open the wormhole and save his mother? At the end he was pissed that Barry didn't save her...I thought his whole thing now that he's been caught and done for was to return to his timeline?

Otherwise, great episode. So many feels...Eddie was a wild card character to me the whole season but damb to go out like that hero for real

After they caught and imprisoned Thawne/Wells Barry confronted him about everything and Thawne made Barry an offer he couldn't refuse; run fast enough to create a wormhole so he could travel to the past and save his mother and prevent his father from going to prison while Thawne uses it to go back to his time. The only risk and consequences is this timeline gets wiped out (apparently) and if he fails it'll create a singularity and destroy the world.

West says Barry should do it. Everybody else is unsure. Barry goes asks his dad for advice, he says don't do it.

I think that's all that happened in the first 15 min.

 

[everysingletime]

Lol just peeped that Flash finale. All the buildup to going back in time 15 yrs and he does nothing?

How does the timeline still exist? Eobard never goes back in time now, kills the mom, and sets in motion the rest of Barry's life, right?

 

[6 Rings G.O.A.T.]

Lol just peeped that Flash finale. All the buildup to going back in time 15 yrs and he does nothing?

Basically..

 

[frink85]

After they caught and imprisoned Thawne/Wells Barry confronted him about everything and Thawne made Barry an offer he couldn't refuse; run fast enough to create a wormhole so he could travel to the past and save his mother and prevent his father from going to prison while Thawne uses it to go back to his time. The only risk and consequences is this timeline gets wiped out (apparently) and if he fails it'll create a singularity and destroy the world.

West says Barry should do it. Everybody else is unsure. Barry goes asks his dad for advice, he says don't do it.

I think that's all that happened in the first 15 min.

Thanks repped. I assumed Thawne/Wells had some evil ulterior motive for wanting Barry to save his mother and change the timeline, like why was he mad that Barry didn't go through with it? Maybe he just wanted to go home