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[KingdomFlatbush]

Of course they would but say that out loud. That **** is absurd. You can't say in real life and in the same sentence have travel to a magical realm be taken serious.

People with cancer and ppl who have fam that have died from it would be quick to be offended.

You are right but it's a fictional verse. So logically speaking, why isn't cancer more treatable in the Marvel verse? And from an in-universe standpoint, why haven't Jane Foster or Foggy Nelson elected to treat their illness in a manner that is consistent with their universe?

 

[Master Zik]

Of course they would but say that out loud. That **** is absurd. You can't say in real life and in the same sentence have travel to a magical realm be taken serious.


People with cancer and ppl who have fam that have died from it would be quick to be offended.

You are right but it's a fictional verse. So logically speaking, why isn't cancer more treatable in the Marvel verse? And from an in-universe standpoint, why haven't Jane Foster or Foggy Nelson elected to treat their illness in a manner that is consistent with their universe?

Marvel is suppose to be the world outside your window just with fictional superheroes and super villains. However, when a writer wants to write a more grounded story it'll be more like the real world and less like a fictional one. It makes more sense to have a story where a superhero has to face something like cancer and can't just beat it in to the ground. If not you'll just have them curing all of the world's problems.

As things stand now though, logically speaking, there is no cure for cancer in the Marvel U and that's either cuz the smartest haven't found it, the smartest are selfish and won't share it or if you use magic to cure it something worse will happen instead. So simply speaking it is consistent with their universe.

You'd have to read the DD book but for Foggy it's almost not an option. I think there's one issue about it. As for Thor, I don't read that book but it seems like Aaron had Jane acknowledge Asgardians have some magical cure and opted to do it on her own. The idea of trying to beat cancer on your own as crazy as that sounds is an option ppl take and a very rare few actually succeed in beating (like in Dallas Buyer's Club or all those ppl that tell you not to take the meds or do chemo). To me though, I'd flip the question. It shouldn't be why hasn't Jane or Foggy elected to get the cure from heroes they know that have it but why hasn't somebody like Thor just gave the cure to the whole world already?

There's also the chance Jane is actually resigned to her fate, felt she lived a full enough life and wants to die with dignity (peep Mad Men with Betty Draper going that route and ppl actually do this in the real world too) and figures why not be Thor in her last days.

Makes sense, but now you have the conundrum of multiple characters having cancer and all of them refusing the presumably simple and quick treatments that should already exist in an advanced universe like the Marvel Universe


So it's either

Be insensitive to people with cancer


Or make very little logical sense as to why cancer isn't more treatable in an advanced society where magic, faster-than-light spacefaring technology, mutants, gods, aliens, and Reed Richards exist

For the longest Marvel has gone with the latter option.

As it stands in the Marvel universe there isn't even one specific cure for cancer not to get in to different types you can get. The original Captain Marvel died from cancer, other alien cultures called it the black death. His whole death story was about how nobody has a cure for cancer.

Reed Richards technically hasn't found a 100% sure fire cure for it either with all his genius. Their mailman Willie Lumpkin got a specific kind of cancer and they shrunk themselves down and killed the cancer cells, stopped it from metastasizing just so he could live longer. It didn't cure his cancer though and didn't stop the possibility of it coming back.

In Wakanda, they have some cure for cancer but refused to share it with the rest of the world due to politics. Dr. Doom I think came up with his own cure for cancer or stole Wakanda's and turned that cure in to a bio-weapon, so now if the cure gets out it's some virus that's worse than what it's curing

The ppl running these comics know they shouldn't be getting that detailed and specific with real world problems like this. If they did their world would either be much worse or a utopia. There wouldn't be all this famine and homelessness in parts of Africa and the Middle east but all the wars would be much worse cuz ppl would have all types of advanced tech and super powers. To compare to the real world though, you know there are conspiracy theorists that say there's already a cure for cancer and the elite simply won't share it.

I think Marvel pretty much learned their lesson when they said being a mutant meant you were immune to HIV and AIDs. Then shortly after they came up with the Legacy Virus story which only kills mutants.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

Jane has had cancer since the Thor God of Thunder book from a few years back. In that one, she said she wants to beat it on her own.

In this new Female Thor book, she said she doesn't want to undergo Asgardian or magic healing because it has a "price", which doesn't make much sense to me


So the in-universe explanations themselves have been contradictory.

Meh. I never bought the whole Marvel/DC is "our world with superheroes", because plain and objectively, it isn't at all.


Never heard of the mutants and HIV thing but the fact of the matter is that the Legacy Virus was easily cured regardless
Just let me write these comics man. I'll solve all the problems

Having 60 years of continuity and then trying to establish it as "our" world just doesn't work. Maybe Marvel needs to do occasional universe resets a la DC's COIE and New 52 except, you know, not make it suck


Ultimate Marvel in 2000 would have a made a great universe reboot

 

[Master Zik]

Jane has had cancer since the Thor God of Thunder book from a few years back. In that one, she said she wants to beat it on her own.

In this new Female Thor book, she said she doesn't want to undergo Asgardian or magic healing because it has a "price", which doesn't make much sense to me

So the in-universe explanations themselves have been contradictory.

Magic doesn't make much sense to begin with. Suffice it to say had she took the magic cure something just as bad as cancer would end up happening to her.

I don't really see the contradiction though. She wants to beat it on her own. She said that first before any offer of magic cures were given right? Then when the offer is presented to her she says she knows magic comes with a price. That's just kinda acknowledging her past history with Thor and all the magic **** he's went through.

Meh. I never bought the whole Marvel/DC is "our world with superheroes", because plain and objectively, it isn't at all.

DC has never been that. I wouldn't mix the two. Stan Lee has specifically always promoted Marvel comics as "world outside your window" which is why he didn't give Daredevil some made up ****** up city, he knew Hell's Kitchen was messed up enough. He knew NYC had enough problems at the time. Of course the more fictional stuff is objectively aren't our world but there's a big difference between readers being able to recognize locations drawn in the comics as opposed to trying to relate to a made up place. It's a little thing but it works.

Never heard of the mutants and HIV thing but the fact of the matter is that the Legacy Virus was easily cured regardless

No it wasn't the Legacy virus went on for years, a bunch of mutants died. In the end, Colussus had to sacrifice himself for their to be a cure.

Just let me write these comics man. I'll solve all the problems

Having 60 years of continuity and then trying to establish it as "our" world just doesn't work. Maybe Marvel needs to do occasional universe resets a la DC's COIE and New 52 except, you know, not make it suck

The whole point is all of the problems aren't supposed to be solved. Nobody would care to read the comics then. If you start thinking about it to logically then you'd come to the logical conclusion there is no reason you should be reading fiction at all.

If you can't accept Marvel's Earth as similar to the real world in many ways or just don't like it, it wouldn't matter if they reboot once or every 10 years. That won't change much in you accepting that it's like our world just with magic and geniuses capable of creating advanced futuristic tech. The superheroes are still gonna do fictional **** that'll never happen in the real world while still trying to balance real world problems. The comics not having a beginning, middle, and end is really a whole other issue not so much addressing relating to the world.

Ultimate Marvel in 2000 would have a made a great universe reboot

That was a much more grounded universe but as different writers came on it became just as out there and ridiculous as the regular MU. Besides Marvel isn't DC and don't really feel anything is broken about their universe which lead them to reboot it and fix it. Hence why they haven't done it.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

The panels in question. The Female Thor book is a great read regardless.

Basically she's refusing Asgardian treatments and choosing chemo.

 

[Master Zik]

She brings up being a doctor herself as well. Maybe along with not trusting the Asgardian quick fix and knowing it'll cost her she also believes chemo and her will to live will be enough.

 

[jays25]

Master Zik Generally curious as to what I said to make you think I was upset. In the initial post that mentioned it I stated that i'd just seen Age of Ultron for the second time, that Black Widow/Hulk and Hawkeye having a family still came out of nowhere in my opinion, but that my opinion of the film hadn't changed since my initial viewing, wherein i hailed it as being great, even if I didn't think it was as good as the first.

Being upset because I think that I was supposed to see it coming? That makes no sense in terms of anything i've said, where my issue is that I feel it simply came out of nowhere. In general, you seem to care about this more than I have and have said more about the issue than I have, whereas i've simply repeated my initial point time and again. I'm not upset over it because there's no need to be upset over what is a small part of an excellent film, one that I simply happened to note.


Which to me doesn't say much for what was generally a crappy line of comics. Spider-Man was very, very good. X-Men was decent most of the time, and the rest were simply mediocre to me. I felt that the writers took the concept of a long-running universe where they could do anything they wanted and completely ran it into the ground, boiling many classic characters down to specific traits which left them being little more than complete ******** to each other most of the time. The terms darker and edgier defined that universe and it wasn't a good thing. There were continuity errors as well, some of which only seemed to pop up because one writer just didn't care about what another had laid down before. That being said, I found everything tolerable up until Ultimatum, after which it all went downhill. I wasn't surprised at all when they relaunched everything.

 

[tay1]

Odinson just needs to knock hammers with Enchantress and call it a life.

 

[tay1]

Starting to get a bit annoyed with Joss. Like damn bruh, we get it, directing these big movies can be stressfull. I swear these multi-millionaires are something else.

 

[jumpmanpro97]

saw a newer commercial for AOU turned my head real quick and thought the Vision was Magneto

 

[imlive365]

I was looking threw the marvel movies and realizedi hadn't watched the 08 hulk yet so I did. Was that movie first made to not connect to anything then mid production they decided to connect it so they added that stark scene at the end where he meets with the general? If so where's bruces girl at now? Is she no longer a factor? I mean I would replace her with black widow myself but theres just so many plot holes. And the two different bruce banners.

 

[nomnom]

Damn...July 2018 is going to have 4 comic book movies

Aquaman, Spiderman, Black Panther, and unknown Fox/Marvel

 

[tay1]

I was looking threw the marvel movies and realizedi hadn't watched the 08 hulk yet so I did. Was that movie first made to not connect to anything then mid production they decided to connect it so they added that stark scene at the end where he meets with the general? If so where's bruces girl at now? Is she no longer a factor? I mean I would replace her with black widow myself but theres just so many plot holes. And the two different bruce banners.

Betty could've just moved on with her life. No real plot hole there. Besides the chick who played her was terrible.

 
Damn...July 2018 is going to have 4 comic book movies

Aquaman, Spiderman, Black Panther, and unknown Fox/Marvel

The unknown fox/marvel is probably a  X-men/FF crossover

 

[jays25]

I was looking threw the marvel movies and realizedi hadn't watched the 08 hulk yet so I did. Was that movie first made to not connect to anything then mid production they decided to connect it so they added that stark scene at the end where he meets with the general? If so where's bruces girl at now? Is she no longer a factor? I mean I would replace her with black widow myself but theres just so many plot holes. And the two different bruce banners.

Well if we wanna get caught up on actors there are two different Rhodey's as well. Just gotta use that suspension of disbelief and not worry about it.

I've also wondered about it though, which is why I was wondering about when a new Hulk movie was gonna pop up again, until someone told me they apparently have no plans to make anymore Hulk films

 

[shogun]

Nothing you can really do about re-casts. Just accept that it happened and it doesn't need to be explained as part of the story.

 

[AEA18]

 

[Master Zik]

Master Zik Generally curious as to what I said to make you think I was upset.

It just came off that way in your posts. You really felt some way about it. You seemed unsatisfied about it to the point of being upset.

Being upset because I think that I was supposed to see it coming? I'm not upset over it because there's no need to be upset over what is a small part of an excellent film, one that I simply happened to note.

Then maybe you were just too nitpicky then instead of just upset?

Which to me doesn't say much for what was generally a crappy line of comics.

Eh, no need to repeat yourself.

 

[jays25]

You looked too deep into a small part of a post that was mainly praising the film for being great.

 

[noblekane]

need that howard the duck origins movie starring nick kroll

 

[Master Zik]

Damn...July 2018 is going to have 4 comic book movies

Aquaman, Spiderman, Black Panther, and unknown Fox/Marvel

Unless they get a lot of hype for it I still don't think anybody is gonna watch Aquaman

He'd have to be the breakout star of w/e he shows up in before his movie.

You looked too deep into a small part of a post that was mainly praising the film for being great.

Not really. I simply commented on where that story reveal in the movie came from. You then assumed I was saying the comics were suppose to be foreshadowing the movie. After I told you were wrong and that wasn't what I was addressing you switched it up to something else.

You pretty much went out of your way to say something negative when all I said the movie was reveal was consistent with the comic reveal.

The unknown fox/marvel is probably a  X-men/FF crossover

If this is the case they got a chance but if it's like a Gambit sequel or even X-Force or some other weak spinoff they want to float I don't think they got much of a chance either.

 

[shogun]

They'd have to make Aquaman a 9000 power level version of Khal Drogo to interest most people. Riding on fierce unicorns and surrounded by barely clothed mermaids.

 

[jays25]

You looked too deep into a small part of a post that was mainly praising the film for being great.

Not really. I simply commented on where that story reveal in the movie came from. You then assumed I was saying the comics were suppose to be foreshadowing the movie. After I told you were wrong and that wasn't what I was addressing you switched it up to something else.

You pretty much went out of your way to say something negative when all I said the movie was reveal was consistent with the comic reveal..

Naah, my point remained the same throughout, which was that it again came out of nowhere, which I repeated after you mentioned the comic. Makes no sense to say I went out of my way when that was the initial comment you chose to respond to to begin with. After you made your point clear on the comic I again just repeated the initial statement.

 

[sunshineblotters]

Damn...July 2018 is going to have 4 comic book movies

Aquaman, Spiderman, Black Panther, and unknown Fox/Marvel

I fully expect Aquaman to move

 

[Master Zik]

You looked too deep into a small part of a post that was mainly praising the film for being great.

Not really. I simply commented on where that story reveal in the movie came from. You then assumed I was saying the comics were suppose to be foreshadowing the movie. After I told you were wrong and that wasn't what I was addressing you switched it up to something else.

You pretty much went out of your way to say something negative when all I said the movie was reveal was consistent with the comic reveal..

Naah, my point remained the same throughout, which was that it again came out of nowhere, which I repeated after you mentioned the comic. Makes no sense to say I went out of my way when that was the initial comment you chose to respond to to begin with. After you made your point clear on the comic I again just repeated the initial statement.

I think what your missing is that when I brought up that it came from the comic that it really had nothing to do with you not liking that it came out of nowhere or the fact that it came out of nowhere other than to say it remained consistent with the comic and that was the entire point of doing it or anything about the comic foreshadowing events in the movie.

When you repeated yourself it definitely came off like you were upset and then you went negative at the comics. It wasn't like I didn't read you say the same thing the first time.

They'd have to make Aquaman a 9000 power level version of Khal Drogo to interest most people. Riding on fierce unicorns and surrounded by barely clothed mermaids.

Even then that whole under the sea **** isn't gonna be that cool to me.

They'd really have to downplay that and play up the Khal Drogo **** over 9000 at least.

 

[jays25]

They'd have to make Aquaman a 9000 power level version of Khal Drogo to interest most people. Riding on fierce unicorns and surrounded by barely clothed mermaids.

Indeed, but the image looks awesome already

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