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I'm just talking about from an execution stand point on things.. Literally could have used the same formula they are using for the build up to thanos and infinity stones

And by establishing the 3 major evil entities (hydra, AIM and 10 rings) you keep everyone busy.. And it just doesn't feel like your just trying scrap together a bad guy to pump out a movie

Shield has to constantly deal with all 3 throughout the TV series.. Then you could have crossovers with things AIM stealing stark tech and developing weaponry (suits.. Maybe have the leader working with them.. They could have collected old ultrons)

You just go bigger with things that have worked in best marvel movies
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Ant Man was cool but it got way hyped on NT. People really putting it over Cap 2 and GotG? Pena has like 15 total minutes in the movie and outside of that it was generic "go be a hero!" stuff. Not a bad watch though.
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post #14913 of 33558
Again I feel they did a good job with Hydra but I don't see how they could do for AIM and the 10 rings what they are doing for Thanos.

What they gonna have end credit scenes of Thor hyping up AIM? laugh.gif

All they've literally done with Thanos is create hype by introducing the infinity stones.

What they did with Hydra was surprise us that they sort of won after the war and embedded themselves in SHIELD and all around the world and then they were ready to strike. That's a one time twist that puts them at the top of the list when it comes to terror groups.

For AIM to get that treatment every Iron Man movie would have to involve them and they'd probably have to have some influence in one of the Cap movies. There'd have to be thought out plan. Same goes for the 10 Rings if they were a separate thing and there's no way both groups could get that sort of execution when the only 3 franchises at the time were Cap, IM, and Thor. What they ended up doing for AIM though is saying they secretly were the 10 Rings. They made up a fake terrorist group and a puppet Mandarin for sort of monetary or political gain. That was the whole point of dude revealing that to Stark. That was the most put in to AIM story wise while weaving in the continuity of mentioning the 10 Rings back in IM1. That's another thing, in the comics there is no such group called the 10 Rings. I think it's something Faverau or the writers made up to reference the Mandarin's 10 magical alien rings that give him power back when they weren't sure the Mandarin with that power set would ever show up. So they said lets make it a terrorist faction which played on the zeitgeist of our time.

Thing is Iron Man was a risk flick, so were Thor and Cap. Marvel didn't know it would work so it made no sense to have a big plan setting up multiple villains the same way they set up just for Thanos. When they got traction that's when they started laying the foundation and Avengers revealed after the fact that certain objects that don't even look like infinity stones are infinity stones.

Plus if they did so much planning for each villain like that there probably wouldn't be the bigger Thanos and Infinity gauntlet climax. I mean that's plans within plans. A lot of moving parts. Not to mention the different directors on several of these films. So there alone you know execution will not be consistent. Phase 1 the MCU is still finding their groove even when it ended with the success of the Avengers. The idea was probably just good entertaining movie with a framework for future sequels but if something doesn't work out we'll switch directors and adapt or scrap the franchise and keep moving.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea going forward though but that'll come after IW.
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Cap established hydra the very first movie.. Ditto 10 rings and ironman

With Thor they should have established the characters earlier on so we would car about them.. Have the enchantress in the first film, she doesn't have to be bad yet but she is there.. Hell introduce malekith too


But essentially you break it down hydra is taking the political route.. AIM science.. And 10 rings magic.. Obviously you can have over lap in the movies, the show(s) and with each other.. Hydra needs tech, they go to AIM.. Get desperate or get something they can understand go to 10 rings
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Also I wonder/hope marvel owns the rights to graviton
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I don't see how they could've done that and what they're doing now effectively. It would've been a hot mess.

You literally only have IM1, Cap, Thor, IM2, and Avengers to do all of that. So AIM in IM2 instead of Whiplash? or 10Rings magic? or wait for IM3 to spring that? Iron Man really doesn't face magical villains. He'd need help and with no Strange around yet he'd have to hope Thor is in town at the least who just has a magic hammer to hit things with.

In what movie are you going to establish AIM and the 10 Rings though? You can't do both in the IM movies. 10 Rings being in Thor movies would be a bit of a reach even if you want them to be about magic when technically the rings themselves are not. They clearly have no place in Cap movies. 10 Rings to me was always the odd man out. They were established as a terrorist group in the movies. Making them magic based wouldn't make sense given how magic users choose to use magic.

There's value in not doing so much so soon. It's why Feige was always so hyped for Dr. Strange but knew the virtue in waiting until the time was right.
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Also I wonder/hope marvel owns the rights to graviton
They do and he's already being used in Agents of SHIELD.
post #14917 of 33558
Well cap films remain essentially the same..

10 rings gets carried over to IM2.. Ideally, you sneak AIM into ironman1..

But you have them in ironman2, have them collect everything Obadiah did.. Hell you could have them get started there.. Or have Zola see an opportunity and bring in the scientist that worked for Obadiah.. Then just have everything flow from that

Justin hammer could have been a pawn.. Ditto Ivan vanko.. Would have rathered they went with crimson Dynamo

Like thanos, the mandarin shows up for a couple secs here and there as his plans unfold and we figure out his involvement









Graviton is being wasted.. Would love to see hulk go up against him On the big screen
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According to reddit Michael Pena is signed on for two more movies. Good news to me. Will probably have a Falcon like contract where he re ups every movie or so.
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I'm just talking about from an execution stand point on things.. Literally could have used the same formula they are using for the build up to thanos and infinity stones

Agreed. Building up different organizations/villains for each hero gives a bigger payoff down the line. Like you said, you have The Mandarin and the Ten Rings for Iron Man, Hydra for Captain America, with maybe Zemo being the one behind it all, like The Mandarin would be for the Ten Rings, and Surter for Thor. Have Loki's actions in the first Thor film be partially due to an alliance with Surter, then have the Dark Elves in Dark World awakened by Surter, and you have him as the final villain during Ragnarok, with various cameos/mentions in-between. That way you can still have Loki hook up with Thanos at the end of the first film and leading into Avengers. Working and building on three smaller main villains, with Thanos as the overarching Big Bad of the Avengers, rather than just one hero, would have been much better. Adds extra worldbuilding and connects everything more.

Of course it also requires the writers to have a much larger plan going into things, which has always been an issue with writing.
post #14920 of 33558
I'm still mad Marvel dropped the ball with Red Skull.

I think he could've been the lead for Avengers 1, but Loki was good.
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The red skull actor was too busy acting like a diva. He would rather be in those weak hobbit movies.
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The red skull actor was too busy acting like a diva. He would rather be in those weak hobbit movies.
lol making bank and immortalized more so than he would be for redskull tho



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post #14923 of 33558
^ yea having redskull roll out in some capacity in WS would have been eek.gif

And then if you have 10 rings and mandarin heavily involved, when you get to doctor strange.. You can link them with that property too.. Maybe have the mandarin as a student who was casted out or something





But like I said, you could have all groups intertwined through all the movies and the universe.. AIM is science, hydra politics and 10 rings magic.. And you could do a masters of evil movie with zemo and villains from all groups (which would be heavily built up).. And with spiderman now added, you got his villains to connect to those groups too


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Just thinking about the shows.. The old lady in daredevil could have easily been somehow connected to the 10 rings and mandarin
Edited by itsaboutthattime - 7/23/15 at 8:48am
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According to reddit Michael Pena is signed on for two more movies. Good news to me. Will probably have a Falcon like contract where he re ups every movie or so.
Feige said earlier today he can't wait to put him into more films


Umberto from LR (has his own site now, heroic Hollywood) has a profile piece on grantland now
http://grantland.com/features/el-mayimbe-movie-news-leaker-comic-con/

Interesting read
post #14925 of 33558
Possible first glimpse of the Spidey costume

http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/7/23/is-this-our-first-glimpse-of-spider-mans-new-costume

https://mobile.twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/619645549340438529/photo/1

Pretty sketchy account though lol about 90% sure it's fake but w/e
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Just thinking about the shows.. The old lady in daredevil could have easily been somehow connected to the 10 rings and mandarin

She's linked to Iron Fist.
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post #14927 of 33558
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So a person at Tony's company makes contact with terrorists and then sells weapons to said terrorists, along with giving them information to kidnap and kill Tony, which they use said weapons to take part in, and its Tony's fault? Seems a little more complicated than Joker ordering some dudes to kill each other with a poolstick. Tony in this comparison is the CEO of the company that made the poolstick, while Joker is Obadiah.

tony makes the weapons correct? why didnt he put a stop to them if theyre falling into the wrong hands?

isnt that why the twins go after him in the beginning?

or is he oblivious to whats happening with his tech?

havent seen IM in a long time but isnt he bombed by his own tech in the movie?
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Possible first glimpse of the Spidey costume

http://heroichollywood.com/home-1/2015/7/23/is-this-our-first-glimpse-of-spider-mans-new-costume

https://mobile.twitter.com/Russo_Brothers/status/619645549340438529/photo/1

Pretty sketchy account though lol about 90% sure it's fake but w/e

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So a person at Tony's company makes contact with terrorists and then sells weapons to said terrorists, along with giving them information to kidnap and kill Tony, which they use said weapons to take part in, and its Tony's fault? Seems a little more complicated than Joker ordering some dudes to kill each other with a poolstick. Tony in this comparison is the CEO of the company that made the poolstick, while Joker is Obadiah.

tony makes the weapons correct? why didnt he put a stop to them if theyre falling into the wrong hands?

isnt that why the twins go after him in the beginning?

or is he oblivious to whats happening with his tech?

havent seen IM in a long time but isnt he bombed by his own tech in the movie?

Tony designs the weapons and then factories throughout the world make said weapons. I see no feasible way to make sure that no weapon is sold under the table as that'd require him personally keeping track of every single weapon once it's been made. That's not something the CEO of any company does. Once he's made aware of the situation however he instantly puts a stop to it.

Obadiah sells tech to the terrorists who use it against Tony.

I really think y'all do the most to try to throw blame towards Tony Stark laugh.gif Somebody else does something and its his fault because he happened to design the technology that another person then took and sold for a profit.
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did he stop it though is the question?
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Just thinking about the shows.. The old lady in daredevil could have easily been somehow connected to the 10 rings and mandarin

She's linked to Iron Fist.
Yeah she is.

The 10 Rings aren't a thing and they were never magic based.
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did he stop it though is the question?

As far as we know, yes lol we literally saw him destroy the weapons in the first film. Afterwards, his company doesn't even make weapons anymore.
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Update on the Russo's Twitter
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The Twitter account follows all the right people you’d expect, from Marvel franchise stars to Community cast members (the brothers directed and produced the comedy series), but it’s the people who are following the account that add credence to its authenticity.

Some of the early followers (on an account that only had 31 of them when it was discovered) include Jason Stamey, who has worked in casting on nearly all of the Marvel movies, Ryan Stankevitch, the vice president of global marketing for Disney and Andrew Stamm, a directors and producers assistant currently credited with working on Captain America: Civil War. Those are three rather strange and coincidental followers to be paying attention to this account if it’s just some kind of fan created hoax.

http://www.slashfilm.com/new-spider-man-first-look/
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As far as we know, yes lol we literally saw him destroy the weapons in the first film. Afterwards, his company doesn't even make weapons anymore.

depends when in the timeline the bombing happens to the twins country.

when Scarlett Witch recounts her story, their hatred for Stark is due to the bomb that killed their family..
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As far as we know, yes lol we literally saw him destroy the weapons in the first film. Afterwards, his company doesn't even make weapons anymore.

depends when in the timeline the bombing happens to the twins country.

when Scarlett Witch recounts her story, their hatred for Stark is due to the bomb that killed their family..

When they were children...over a decade before these films.
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As far as we know, yes lol we literally saw him destroy the weapons in the first film. Afterwards, his company doesn't even make weapons anymore.

depends when in the timeline the bombing happens to the twins country.

when Scarlett Witch recounts her story, their hatred for Stark is due to the bomb that killed their family..

When they were children...over a decade before these films.
Didn't klaw have stark bombs in the ship where they fought ultron in the movie though?

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As far as we know, yes lol we literally saw him destroy the weapons in the first film. Afterwards, his company doesn't even make weapons anymore.

depends when in the timeline the bombing happens to the twins country.

when Scarlett Witch recounts her story, their hatred for Stark is due to the bomb that killed their family..

When they were children...over a decade before these films.
Didn't klaw have stark bombs in the ship where they fought ultron in the movie though?

Don't remember that, but he might have. (Know that Tony made a point of mentioning he never sold anything to Klaw)
post #14938 of 33558
Yeah he did so maybe Stane did or maybe somebody they sold to got their stash stolen.
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Yeah he did so maybe Stane did or maybe somebody they sold to got their stash stolen.

Wouldn't surprise me as Klaw IS a smuggler. **** he got into Wakanda and stole Vibranium. If you can get in there you can get in anywhere.
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Yeah he did so maybe Stane did or maybe somebody they sold to got their stash stolen.
Could have been sold to them pre iron man 1 too. Everything on that ship looked pretty old

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