Originally Posted by JayPesoz
Steve already called him out on his wrongful methods on Barton's farm but yet, Tony will never get it. You guys act like Tony isn't the
biggest threat in the entire MCU
It's currently Thanos but c'mon
MCU needs Stark.
Originally Posted by Jays25
Originally Posted by Master Zik
Originally Posted by Jays25
Originally Posted by Master Zik
Originally Posted by Jays25
Y'all genuinely act as if having Sentinals doesn't make perfect sense in the face of mutants like Magneto, Apocalypse, Stryfe, etc. The issue is that the Sentinels are then continually privately made by corporations and people that want to use them for villanous purposes, or to just plain kill all mutants.
Not really any different from the Superhuman Registration Act. Having superheroes registered and trained by the government so they can properly use their powers? Great, but then how to make absolutely certain that none of the evil geniuses in the world ever get into the database and leak all of that information?
I'll be honest I never liked sentinels. The concept always seemed dumb to me. An America where the gov't okays the use of giant robots hunting and abducting/killing unsuspecting Americans who just find out they're mutants was dumb and insane to me. (This aint an anti-machine thing cuz I love me some gundams
Yes Magneto is a real threat (I aint never seen mutants attack Apocalypse and lets be serious they wouldn't stand a chance. Stryfe could probably handle them too with his power set) but there must be a better response than that and there has been. It'd be much better if the gov't rounded up some mutants that were sick of Magneto making them look bad and genuinely supported them in trying to stop mutant terrorists (they sorta tried that with David's X-Factor) but there seems to be way too many racists in the gov't and/or racist lobbyists that are completely against mutant anything.
So that leads to all these independent groups making mass mutant killing machines.
They never said that was OK though. Any instantce where Sentinels have gone after mutants has either been in the face of dangerous mutants, which the average police officer wasn't going to be dealing with, the Sentinels themselves gaining some kind of omnipotence (Which was the entire reason Days of Future Past happened at all), or someone else pulling the strings (Like Nimrod and such) The Sentinels were only ever meant to be a counter/deterrent to protect people should these mutants that were popping up seek to use their powers for evil purposes. It makes perfect sense to me and came to be valuable down the line when they reached the point that the Sentinels were being piloted by military soldiers for such cases. Because an entire nation can't realistically be expected to count on costumed superheroes who at any given day might be off the planet dealing with some intergalactic incident.
Funding a goverment organization of mutants is a good job, but still doesn't completely erase the need for Sentinels, which can be easily mass produced, whereas the mutant team would only ever equal what? 10 or 15 on an ideal day? Sentinels are only seen as bad in the same way that the Registration is only seen as bad, because they're mainly used for bad storylines be neharious people.
It then devolves to a completely different conversation alltogether, about how closely the government should be monitoring its citizens, which leads to instances where you have certain organizations (Many times with people possessing genius level intellects and powers of their own) making their own Sentinels.
The American gov't in Marvel comics have had entire stories revolving around congress,senate, etc. voting to okay the use of sentinels. There have been times where they were totally allowed to operate on U.S.soil. In these stories the president at the time is usually never init but there's some high level gov't person calling the shots. So they definitely have directly or indirectly said it was ok.
Either way there's no justifying sentinels showing up and just taking Americans away cuz their powers are being used. I don't recall many comics where sentinels showed up to stop Sabertooth, the Hell Fire Club, Legion, or other threats. They're mainly used to go after X-Men, mutants that mean no harm, and Magneto and his brotherhood. They're always used in a way they do not show judgment between a regular mutant posing no threat, a mutant whose powers is out of control, and evil person using their mutant powers to kill. The whole point of the sentinels was to remove mutants from humanity. You say regular cops can't stop these mutants yes but that doesn't mean you okay sentinels. There's never been stories where sentinels have been illegally operating in America and the gov't set in some F16s to shoot them down.
To bring it to a global scale, sentinels were used to commit genocide on Genosha and the world's nations did nothing.
Just because some ppl have powers that may be dangerous the solution isn't create giant killing machines. Like I said it'd be much smarter to get mutants who want to help send the message that mutants aren't a threat once they're trained to go out and get mutants whose powers are out of control. Not killing robots.
Yes you could solely rely on mutants, they're thousands popping up everyday. There's never been a time where there were more sentinels than mutants. Saying it's easy to mass produce just sounds lazy. If this were the real world they'd be an insane waste of money. Furthermore, just like superheroes the sentinels don't do much protecting of humans. THey cause just as much destruction as superheroes. They're giant ******* robots shooting lasers and ****. They're not a necessity.
As for monitoring citizens, bump that. The gov. should've just asked Prof. X for cerebra or find some other genius that could make something similar and then use it to go recruit mutants as they emerge. They could have a mutant army in under a decade. If the American gov. in Marvel comics weren't so racist and hateful they'd end up being runaway supreme power in the world all over again but nah they'd rather spend time killing their potential resources.
Once more, in these stories, Sentinels aren't being sent out to hunt down and round up every mutant on the planet.
Yes they were and are. I'm not sure what X-Men comics you've been reading.
They ok the use of Sentinels to defend the American people from dangerous mutants.
This is not what all they do.
Did you completely miss the Master Mold and Bastion story lines? They're programmed to capture and/or kill mutants. Not just protect humans from mutants.
And in terms of the goverment that's pretty much been the case since the Sentinels were introduced.
So the gov. okays one thing about sentinels and ignore when they do much more than that.
There was even a point where they had a group of Sentinels posted right outside the X-Mansion. Not to attack the X-Men, but to keep an eye on them.
I already referenced that. This was after Decimation. There were a lot less mutants in the world so the gov. headed by O.N.E. decided to round up the remaining mutants and the X-Men to keep them where they were just like Japanese interment. If you don't see that as an egregious infringement of civil rights I don't know what to tell you.
I mean did you read those stories? The mutants in the next camp had to form a resistance to escape. The gov. supervised O.N.E. as those U-Men rejects experimented on one mutant and had that mutant kill others.
What you're saying doesn't happen.
Yes it did.
Word to Operation: Zero Tolerance
Let me know if you been reading these X-Men comic or just skimming through them.
Sentinels don't just show up and take mutants away. The times when the actual government is sending Sentinels after the X-Men are few and far between, and in many cases comes from a misunderstanding.
No it isn't and they don't just take mutants away if other mutants get involved they kill them.
Mutants fighting sentinels isn't some misunderstanding like when superheroes use to fight each other when they first met.
9 times out of 10 its, as I previously stated, the Sentinels acting on their own a la Terminator (Master Mold, Nimrod, etc) or someone else besides the government sending his/her own Sentinels (Sebastian Shaw, Stephan Lang, etc.), or someone taking control of the Sentinels (Onslaught, Dark Beast, Loki, etc)
You need to read the 80s and 90s X-Men comics asap.
It's only been since Morrison's run that the gov. hasn't been as involved with hunting and killing mutants.
Sentinels have been used by the government to attack Kang the Conqueror when he was invading the planet.
So what? Sentinels were used to commit mutant genocide.
Incidents of Sentinels then operating tend to be wrapped up fairly quickly, and without any confirmation there's not even anything to say that the government is aware when these things are happening
So if the gov. isn't aware they're not corrupt just incompetent.
So the gov. of the world are either corrupt which many have been shown to see or incompetent.
Sentinels make just as much sense as having a mutant fighting task force made of mutants
No they don't. The second you start making machines do the peace keeping is when you've lost the ppl entirely. It'd be folly to think other wise.