MARVEL C U Thread - DrStrange (11/04) - CAP LOVE TAPS! - dats wut bucky said - Page 590
If we're to believe the past reports that the last attempt fell a part and led to Marvel having less of a focus on franchises they no longer have the movie rights to why would they give this to FOX now? and put their name next to it and even post the article on their site.
It's one thing that by default Marvel studios will have one of their guys listed as producer for the FOX Marvel movies but we know they don't have any involvement. For this tv thing it's not just that but actual promotion for the shows.
If it's not F4 movie rights, I wonder what did Marvel get in return. They wouldn't do it for free.
Nobody from Marvel has come out and said we left hints for you guys before we announced it. The poster and that one game were all signs, and now Spidey is in the MCU.
Everybody was in the right for doubting lame. His theory wasn't reasonable or logical.
That's not the point, though. There is a rumor that has gone crazy today that Fox has traded Marvel Studios the rights to "Fantastic Four" so that Fox can produce several different "X-Men" based television shows.
The "X-Men" TV shows are true. The thing is, they've been negotiating them for months, and to be clear, Marvel didn't give anything up. They negotiated a deal to co-produce the series, something that's become very lucrative for them. They've got "Agents of SHIELD" and "Agent Carter" on ABC, and they've got the Netflix deal in place for several different series.
One of those, I'd point out, is "Daredevil," a property that was owned for a time by Fox, who produced one film and an "Elektra" spin-off, and they came very close to making another movie as well. They balked at the last moment, though, and lost the rights to the character, also losing the rights to the Kingpin in the process. The Netflix "Daredevil" has become very well regarded among fans of the character, and the second season is going to fold another character that has had a rocky big-screen career, The Punisher, into the series.
Let me ask you this: if you're 20th Century Fox and you traded away "Daredevil" only to watch Marvel knock it out of the park, both creatively and in terms of fan reaction, how eager do you think you're going to be to also hand over "Fantastic Four," which you've fumbled creatively twice now? Do you think Fox is a rush to get shown up again? Or do you think it's more likely they've got something to prove now? Do you think they're going to hand over a potential franchise that exists as a rights package with a number of other characters and ideas bundled into it, or do you think they're going to keep trying to figure it out because they know how much money they've made off of the "X-Men" film series so far?
To be clear, I did my homework today. If Fox did trade away "Fantastic Four," which they did not, they did it without telling anyone involved with the property at all. Because that's the way things work. They wouldn't tell any of the involved parties, and they especially wouldn't tell Constantin Film, the actual rights holder on the property. Oh, wait, what? You mean Fox doesn't own "Fantastic Four" outright? You mean even if they wanted to, they couldn't trade the property for something else? Really? That seems surprising, unless you've paid any attention to the development history of "Fantastic Four" at all.
Like I said… I understand why rumors spread. People want to believe them. But I don't understand how people who write about films for a living routinely will print things that don't even pass a fundamental sniff test because they don't know anything about the way things actually work. More and more these days, so-called "fan press" seems to believe that actual expertise is something that doesn't matter, and so we see entire days or weeks of outright fabrication or faulty games of connect-the-dots, and we watch fandom whip itself into a frenzy over nothing.
Logic and a working knowledge of the business side of our industry… are those things too much too ask?
On days like today, it feels like the answer to that is "yes."
Read more at http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/why-that-new-fantastic-four-rumor-is-complete-nonsense#MEDgPuMigIB2SFjb.99
Marvel managed to work something out with Universal where while they don't do Hulk solo flicks cuz of distribution rights they got Hulk for Avengers and apparently any other MCU movie.
So revealing some other studio has partial film rights to the X-Men doesn't change anything. If a deal is made, all parties would be informed and most likely apart of negotiations.
My whole thing is we know the deal with the tv rights. Marvel has that for X-Men. For either of them to do a live action tv show they need the okay from one another. We saw what happened when they weren't on the same pg when FOX was gonna sue Marvel for Mutant X (remember that crap show?) and that ended up having no connection to X-Men comics in order to go through and had to end up being on a FOX network iirc.
So in the present, clearly things have changed. A deal has been made and Marvel had to get something out of it. Otherwise why do it and promote it?
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From what I can tell from Google searches it's the same with Fox/Constantin.
Guys in here have a better grasp on it than me lol
This would imply that Fox cares about putting out quality Marvel movies.
Everything I read about the new FF movie leads me to believe that they didn't care. ej. How the film was rushed, continuity issues like Susan Storm's hair, etc. Straight up sounded like Fox just put up the movie to keep the rights.
I know ive said this before.. but I really wish marvel would have structured thor a hell of a lot better.. introduced the enchantress and executioner to some degree in the 1st movie, which would have been building towards surtur in the 3rd movie
you can still have loki end up on the throne and him being over his head which leads to asgard being vulnerable.. and thus surtur attacking (and enchantress playing a role with that)
hint at fan favorite beta ray bill to some degree early, maybe an end credit scene.. and he can be in the 2nd movie too.. and you can steal from "hulk vs" movie and have loki bring in hulk and try to control him as an act of desperation when surtur attacks (and that backs fires)
before the "one year later" shows up on the screen it isn't THAT terrible of a movie.. it has it's issues, but you can still see a workable film.. very different than the usual comicbook movie, but better than any of the wolverine movies to date
but that version obviously went down a path they weren't willing to continue on.. so they completely change things up at that "one year later" point and it just made it a complete shhhhhhh show
I think of that first story book referred to in the movie elf, where james caan's character just says screw it their kids they wont notice and signs off on the book with missing pages amongst other issues
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Just acknowledging the fact that a PH film doesn't sound like the smartest move on paper.. GOTG didn't either and it turned out to be great but that doesn't automatically sign me up for the rest of Marvel's future flicks.
Biggest question i have about it is how does it advance their overall story. Seems like they're entering a point where every standalone has major significance in expanding the overarching plot and i personally don't know how Planet Hulk will do that.
I imagine a situation where he's sent off somewhere and they use this as a way to crossover some of the cosmic stuff with what's going on here. Could be something with the inhumans, or he crosses path with the Guardians... hell i could even see something where he's sent to Asgard and they make a Hulk/Thor buddy film
Don't have the slightest idea but i'm interested in seeing where they take this.
Marvel been listening
I love the rivalry/brotherhood they have in Avengers Assemble.
Bro, i was just messing around
Saw that question asked on Big Bang Theory.
i would like to see this happen on screen, would be a very hulk thing to do