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[dopeness]

Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

They was out like Carlito and Gail 

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[luckyluchiano]

BP movie is gonna do numbers
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[SneakerProSr.]

I was team Cap in comics, this movie Cap?


Hell naw.


Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

so you agree with giving the government control over what the avengers do? 

Man signing those accords was all a dog and pony show.

They were going to do what they wanted anyways.

As soon as IM saw WS was set up he went away from the accords. Hell Bucky's boo was about to sign until he found about Wanda.

 

[sea manup]

 

 

I was team Cap in comics, this movie Cap?


Hell naw.


Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

so you agree with giving the government control over what the avengers do? 

Man signing those accords was all a dog and pony show.

They were going to do what they wanted anyways.

As soon as IM saw WS was set up he went away from the accords. Hell Bucky's boo was about to sign until he found about Wanda.

so basically that whole guilt trip over that woman's dead son was pointless?

that whole pitch by tony about needing oversight was just a lie? 

 

[dopeness]

 
so basically that whole guilt trip over that woman's dead son was pointless?

that whole pitch by tony about needing oversight was just a lie? 

It was facts. 
 

Cap was the one couldn't even look at the screen when they showed the dead. 

But was all for replaying Bucky footage.

Still keeping secrets from Tony.



..."all I need in this life of sin, is meeee, and my girlfriend" - Steve Rogers

 

[IATT]

It was/is politics.. There was a reason T'chaka and T'challa supported it

World is bigger than just the avengers

 

[SneakerProSr.]

 

 

I was team Cap in comics, this movie Cap?



Hell naw.



Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

so you agree with giving the government control over what the avengers do? 

Man signing those accords was all a dog and pony show.


They were going to do what they wanted anyways.


As soon as IM saw WS was set up he went away from the accords. Hell Bucky's boo was about to sign until he found about Wanda.

so basically that whole guilt trip over that woman's dead son was pointless?

that whole pitch by tony about needing oversight was just a lie? 

Let's look at actual actions. The second Tony had concrete proof Cap needed help and their was a threat he disregarded the accord and went to a foreign country to fight.

 

[sea manup]

 

 

 

 

I was team Cap in comics, this movie Cap?



Hell naw.



Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

so you agree with giving the government control over what the avengers do? 

Man signing those accords was all a dog and pony show.


They were going to do what they wanted anyways.


As soon as IM saw WS was set up he went away from the accords. Hell Bucky's boo was about to sign until he found about Wanda.

so basically that whole guilt trip over that woman's dead son was pointless?

that whole pitch by tony about needing oversight was just a lie? 

Let's look at actual actions. The second Tony had concrete proof Cap needed help and their was a threat he disregarded the accord and went to a foreign country to fight.

I know, that's my point. 

since the whole original team iron man argument was that these heroes need supervision, isn't it a bit ironic that by the end of the movie iron man decides to disregard the government and do his own thing? 

why try to convince the team that they need supervision when he knows that he's going to do exactly what cap was arguing for (being able to choose what to do and who to help) 

it just makes the whole argument very weak IMO, it was by far my least favorite part of the movie. 

 

[antidope]

What's with this movie and the watered down Iron Man powers though.

Also Spiderman

 

[Master Zik]

Again, I said it the last time it was brought up. You're dealing with Tony Stark. If you honestly thought he was giving the U.N. complete control of the Avengers you're dumb.

Craziest thing about it is the evidence is in every IM and Avenger movie. It's even in this Cap movie.

Main problem here is Steve isn't the type of guy that would walk in to a Senate hearing and take responsibility for what he played a part in. He couldn't explain himself to leaders or even the common person who get caught in the crossfire. I'm so glad Spidey wasn't Team Cap.

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Don't know if you were paying attention but Tony didn't agree with them being imprisoned in the Raft and he specifically said he was looking forward to ignoring Ross and putting him on hold. He let Cap break them out cuz he never wanted them in that prison.

so basically ignore government regulations and continue to do his own thing

That's why I'm saying Steve was being stubborn for no reason.

Everything Tony was arguing and advocating was for less and if possible no collateral damage. No deaths of bystanders. Better guidelines. Respecting other nation's soverignty.

The second anybody with an agenda does something Tony Stark didn't like or told him not to interfere he's ignoring them and doing w/e he feels is right. See Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Avengers

Tony preferred working with Shield and Fury by the end of things. Like I been saying Steve ****** up telling Fury SHIELD aint coming back which forced Fury and Coulson to make SHIELD operate in the shadows. Now he's whining about accords the U.N want to implement. Fury was the buffer since the Avengers was a SHIELD initiative.

Like how much of a pompous *** do you have to be to think you can go on dangerous missions around the world and when citizens die cuz of it you won't be put in check?

 

[sea manup]

so should heroes be regulated by the government? 

 

[SneakerProSr.]

so should heroes be regulated by the government? 

Yes.

If it wasn't for government subsidies and regulations there wouldn't be Avengers in the first place.

 

[Master Zik]

I was team Cap in comics, this movie Cap?




Hell naw.




Cap had no idea what was going to happen to his squad when they got pinched and still let them get got.

so you agree with giving the government control over what the avengers do?

Man signing those accords was all a dog and pony show.



They were going to do what they wanted anyways.



As soon as IM saw WS was set up he went away from the accords. Hell Bucky's boo was about to sign until he found about Wanda.

so basically that whole guilt trip over that woman's dead son was pointless?


that whole pitch by tony about needing oversight was just a lie?

Let's look at actual actions. The second Tony had concrete proof Cap needed help and their was a threat he disregarded the accord and went to a foreign country to fight.

I know, that's my point.

since the whole original team iron man argument was that these heroes need supervision, isn't it a bit ironic that by the end of the movie iron man decides to disregard the government and do his own thing?

why try to convince the team that they need supervision when he knows that he's going to do exactly what cap was arguing for (being able to choose what to do and who to help)

it just makes the whole argument very weak IMO, it was by far my least favorite part of the movie.

It's not weak, this how the world works b. Like you'd think we were talking about somebody other than Tony at this point with him doing what's right.

The team does need supervision and the U.N. input though. Like how are you comparing Tony going off to help Cap to what happened in Lagos?

TeamCap smarten up.

so should heroes be regulated by the government? 

You keep saying government.

I dunno why.

The Avengers should be regulated by the United Nations.

That's who drafted up the accords.

Cap's argument about agendas and his actions in this movie proved he was full of ****.

Like I said before if Tony is faced by somebody with an agenda saying don't save these ppl in this country cuz of this opportunistic reason and he knows it's wrong he's gonna go against it.

Cap kept saying signing was giving up choice. No it wasn't. Signing an agreement does not rob you of your choice.

By showing he can compromise, Tony simply puts the Avengers in the best situation to do good. Why Cap is so blind I dunno. He really didn't have much of an argument.

Lets keep this in mind about the end of the movie compared to the end of AOU. Tony is now running the Avengers leading missions while Cap and co. are outlaws/fugitives at worst, retired at best. Quite possibly stuck in Wakanda on vacation until Infinity War.

 

[sea manup]

the UN is controlled by goverments bro

after signing the accord tony and crew had to report to an American Government employee

so basically you're saying that the UN should be able to regulate heros, unless the heroes disagree with the UN's reasoning in that case they can just disobey and do their own thing

 

[SneakerProSr.]

Steve Rodgers would have been a 98 pound ****** from Brooklyn if it wasn't for an agenda filled government organization.

 

[sea manup]

Steve Rodgers would have been a 98 pound ****** from Brooklyn if it wasn't for an agenda filled government organization.

no one is saying the government is useless

but they have proven to be largely corrupt and incompetent for most of the history of the MCU

I don't see why you would trust their judgement over tony and steve's 

 

[Master Zik]

the UN is controlled by goverments bro

Multiple governments of various nations.

You kept saying government as if you were referring to one country.

As we've seen the Avengers operate globally. Why shouldn't these countries whose citizens are at risk have a say about what's basically super human operatives engaging in missions on their sovereign land?

If North Korea had a superhero that was trying to stop a terrorist cell in Cali and by the time it was over 12 Americans died you telling me America shouldn't have some say about that superhero just showing up in the country?

after signing the accord tony and crew had to report to an American Government employee

Their liaison to the U.N. That's expected.

It'd make sense given the majority of the Avengers were US operatives or citizens (mainly former SHIELD agents or American born).

so basically you're saying that the UN should be able to regulate heros, unless the heroes disagree with the UN's reasoning in that case they can just disobey and do their own thing

No. The U.N. should be able to regulate heroes period.

If the heroes disagree with how the show is being run they can dip and do what they feel is right especially when they know they're right cuz signing an accord isn't signing away your freedom of choice. It helps if you do it covertly like Tony did where Ross probably didn't know about it until it was over.

It's not hard to figure out or navigate.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

the UN is controlled by goverments bro

Multiple governments of various nations.

You kept saying government as if you were referring to one country.

As we've seen the Avengers operate globally. Why shouldn't these countries whose citizens are at risk have a say about what's basically super human operatives engaging in missions on their sovereign land?

If North Korea had a superhero that was trying to stop a terrorist cell in Cali and by the time it was over 12 Americans died you telling me America shouldn't have some say about that superhero just showing up in the country?

after signing the accord tony and crew had to report to an American Government employee

Their liaison to the U.N. That's expected.

It'd make sense given the majority of the Avengers were US operatives or citizens (mainly former SHIELD agents or American born).

so basically you're saying that the UN should be able to regulate heros, unless the heroes disagree with the UN's reasoning in that case they can just disobey and do their own thing

No. The U.N. should be able to regulate heroes period.

If the heroes disagree with how the show is being run they can dip and do what they feel is right especially when they know they're right cuz signing an accord isn't signing away your freedom of choice. It helps if you do it covertly like Tony did where Ross probably didn't know about it until it was over.

It's not hard to figure out or navigate.

Stop making sense B

 

[Master Zik]

Steve Rodgers would have been a 98 pound ****** from Brooklyn if it wasn't for an agenda filled government organization.

no one is saying the government is useless

but they have proven to be largely corrupt and incompetent for most of the history of the MCU

I don't see why you would trust their judgement over tony and steve's 

Which gov. is that?

Last I checked it was SHIELD that was invested with Hydra. I think Gary Shandling was like the one Senator or w/e that was also Hydra.

When dealing with the US gov. we haven't seen a lot of corruption or incompetence. The major presence they had was in Incredible Hulk. Hell they weren't even involved when that council running SHIELD deployed the nukes on NYC.

Last we saw the American president was pretty thankful to Tony in IM3.

Probably the most competent gov. agent we have an example of has been Rhodey.

 

[sea manup]

if you choose to disobey and act on your own and get caught you get thrown in super jail

but I guess it's still a choice 

 

[Master Zik]

if you choose to disobey and act on your own and get caught you get thrown in super jail

but I guess it's still a choice 

Don't get caught.

Like Tony

If they had all sided with him from the jump, they all would've been provided the same protection.

**** it probably would've led to Tony being director of a revived SHIELD

 

[sea manup]

 

if you choose to disobey and act on your own and get caught you get thrown in super jail

but I guess it's still a choice 

Don't get caught.

Like Tony

If they had all sided with him from the jump, they all would've been provided the same protection.

**** it probably would've led to Tony being director of a revived SHIELD

seeing that cap is breaking his team out of super jail, he's doing a pretty good job of not getting caught 

tony didn't get caught, only washed 

 

[Master Zik]

 

if you choose to disobey and act on your own and get caught you get thrown in super jail


but I guess it's still a choice 

Don't get caught.


Like Tony


If they had all sided with him from the jump, they all would've been provided the same protection.


**** it probably would've led to Tony being director of a revived SHIELD

seeing that cap is breaking his team out of super jail, he's doing a pretty good job of not getting caught 

As long as Bucky was safe first unlike the first time where Scumbag Steve abadoned his "team".

If Steve had a brain and signed the accords his team wouldn't have ended up imprisoned at all.

 

[Versailles]

people on here who support the accords/regulations and the government are commies, and the notion of a worldwide super government (United Nations) is beyond me. This is America, you guys want to live in North Korea? all you commies can live in North Korea.


And Tony Stark should be arrested for employing an underage teenager from Queens, in Peter Parker.

 

[IATT]

people on here who support the accords/regulations and the government are commies, and the notion of a worldwide super government (United Nations) is beyond me. This is America, you guys want to live in North Korea? all you commies can live in North Korea.


And Tony Stark should be arrested for employing an underage teenager from Queens, in Peter Parker.

America doesn't have laws and regulations?