Seeing value in a character isn't the same thing as what you said "seeing value as a character"
Furthermore, I'm talking about seeing the value in a character for film. You just said you don't see it or to be accurate you don't see enough value. That's basically what I originally said that you denied.
So what are you confused about here? Is what you said "Don't see enough value in him to think...." really that different than what I originally said? or is the word "enough" some key thing I'm missing?
Is he not a socially awkward boy genius that has a Uncle Ben that dies, lives with his Aunt May, and gains spider powers from a spider bite?
Clue me in if you know more than the rest of us.
What you just described sounds like rehashes of SM1 and ASM as far as Peter's origins go.
Cuz sales were high as hell during the Clone Saga and with Byrne's attempt at a reboot. Those were two mostly hated or at least disliked runs of Spidey. A lot of ppl don't like McFarlane's stuff, that sold some of the highest.
Not to mention there was a whole lot of controversy and ppl not liking SSM. So much so death threats were sent to Dan Slott for what he did in ASM 700.
Looking @ ASM's sales history I'd say you're wrong.
You just said if ppl had not liked the switch to Doc Ock sales would have tanked. Now you're saying in general it will always sell. Make up your mind.
I'm not talking about all comics. I'm not talking about other heroes being replaced and sales dropping. The only other comics I mentioned were the ones that I know continually sell historically.
Not falling for it guy.
I'll just go back to saying show me how comic sales has anything to do with a movie's box office cuz as far as facts go the exact opposite is true.
You said it like that meant something. Some ppl see things differently than you.
No I see now. My mistake.
No that's the basic characteristics for Peter Parker after all. I'm just saying it'll still be a "fresh" take in the same way that ASM was one after SM, because you can expect that the writer isn't going to keep things exactly the same. Miles entire origin hinges on Peter Parker, so they'd have to make quite a few changes to make it really fresh in the way you're speaking of, him being used before Peter, which could very well just lead to it hitting the same chords that Peter's origin did.
Again, common sense should tell you that the fans of a comic book character are going to see the comic book character on film.
Based on what?
Sales were high compared to what though? Because it all depends on what you're using to classify something as having high sales. The sales of Miles Morales comic is generally high, but there are comics that sell more than it, and it in turn has dropped by thousands before, as has pretty much any comic ever.
The first issue of Superior Spider-Man sold 118,000 + copies. The second then sold 112,000 +, the third 101,000 +, the fourth 95,000 +, the fifth 94,000 +, etc. Just looking at January 2012, ASM sold 57,000 +. Then you have January 2015, ASM sold 110,000 +. Looking at the sales history, i'd say its all across the board, with sales rising and falling based on what's happening in the comic at the time. So again, what do you classify as selling well? Because while a lot of people did indeed hate Ock, a lot of people also liked him, as evidenced by the sales not being the worst in the comics history.
I'm not contradicting myself at all. You're taking "in general" and assuming it means the same as selling "well". As I asked previously, what are you counting as selling well? Because i'm saying that if Ock had been universally hated we would've seen a large drop in terms of sales, like from 110,000 to 50,000. That wasn't the case.
You can use any comic you want lol it honestly doesn't matter because no matter the comic the sales are going to rise and fall. There has been a time where freaking Catwoman and Suicide Squad have outsold ASM. (November 2012)
All I said originally was that Peter's comic outsells Miles consistently, speaking to greater popularity of one character over the other. You then chose to say that that doesn't necessarily mean anything, as a comic like ASM will always sell well, regardless of who is in it. I'm then saying that that's not the case, as even with Peter it hasn't always sold well. If people don't like a storyline the sales will reflect it.
I was specifically speaking 2012, but i'm sure if I looked through comic sales for other years i'd find more.
Edited by Jays25 - 9/5/15 at 7:13pm