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[rfx45]

Thing is not up there with the Hulk and likely not even close.

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

I think Spidey has done more than 20 tons

 

[jays25]

Thing is not up there with the Hulk and likely not even close.

Not at the Hulk's max, but he's no slouch either. He's knocked Hulk out before. Hulk's greatest strength is that the angrier he gets the stronger he gets.

 

[sunshineblotters]

Also "human level" IIRC Cap is at about 1600lbs and Moon Knight's varies from 1200-2000 lbs. How is that even close to human level. 2-3x Olympian level.

Thing is not up there with the Hulk and likely not even close.

Not anymore. When Hulk first came out he wasnt popular since he was seen as a thing ripoff and they were about equal then. Comparing thing to base level Hulk is not farfetched.

Tho I agree that thing should be in the class that he is in since Namor can take him.

 

[rfx45]

Thing is not up there with the Hulk and likely not even close.

Not at the Hulk's max, but he's no slouch either. He's knocked Hulk out before. Hulk's greatest strength is that the angrier he gets the stronger he gets.

Just because I said Thing doesn't belong in the same ranks as Hulk doesn't mean he is a slouch.

Hulks max is what separates him from the rest so obviously you got to rank him to his limits.

 

[jays25]

Thing is not up there with the Hulk and likely not even close.

Not at the Hulk's max, but he's no slouch either. He's knocked Hulk out before. Hulk's greatest strength is that the angrier he gets the stronger he gets.

Just because I said Thing doesn't belong in the same ranks as Hulk doesn't mean he is a slouch.

Hulks max is what separates him from the rest so obviously you got to rank him to his limits.

Yeah but then if we're talking max, Thing and Silver Surfer would both be at the top of that list as well, right alongside Hulk.

 

[tdogg2k]

To the original Black Panther vs. spidey though
again BP is basically Batman but Smarter and more Agile.
BP is Reed Richards smart with Captain Americas Strategic level


in a one on one he'd beat spidey.

Im gonna write to spidey's power decades too late. There is no way Silver Surfer is weaker than Namor and The Thing. Im pretty sure Black Bolt is in the same classification as Thor and those other guys

Thing has more of a max?


I always thought namor was appropriate but thats out of water.

Black bolt should def be higher. World War Hulk. hulk was pretty much maxed out. he beat the breaks off black bolt. but the regard bolt was regarded as. He should def be Thor level.

 

[rfx45]

Things max is close to Hulks max? I'd have to see that, as you said he get his strength with anger and you'd have to take that out of the equation for Thing to match up well with him then that just means Hulk has another tier to go and get stronger.

Thing will get demolished by WW (green Scar) and World Breaker Hulk. I just don't think the Thing is up there with the Hulk, he's got to be a tier below at least.

And to be fair Hulk beat a Black Bolt clone in WW.

 

[sunshineblotters]

To the original Black Panther vs. spidey though
again BP is basically Batman but Smarter and more Agile.
BP is Reed Richards smart with Captain Americas Strategic level


in a one on one he'd beat spidey.
Thing has more of a max?


I always thought namor was appropriate but thats out of water.

Black bolt should def be higher. World War Hulk. hulk was pretty much maxed out. he beat the breaks off black bolt. but the regard bolt was regarded as. He should def be Thor level.

Namor can definitely beat thing out of water which is why Im saying thing is appropriately place. Thundra should be able to take him as well and they are not Hulk/Thor level

I think we can all agree that Black Bolt should be top tier.

Silver Surfer is definitely higher than 3rd tier. Prolly stronger than 2nd tier as well but he keeps losing fights to people in the first tier

 

[jays25]

The problem with max for any character is that it's inevitably pushed even further, and there's therefore no actual limit to it. Thing, Thor, Hulk by this point are in the 100 ton range in terms of strength. Hulk can get stronger with rage, and Thing and Thor at various times hold back, and then later pull off an even greater feat. Under the ocean, Namor's strength, like other characters, has been stated to have no limit. Silver Surfer can continually amplify his strength with the Power Cosmic. Black Bolt falls behind in terms of physical strength, but his scream/voice is also limitless as far as I know. Etc.

 

[sunshineblotters]

The problem with max for any character is that it's inevitably pushed even further, and there's therefore no actual limit to it. Thing, Thor, Hulk by this point are in the 100 ton range in terms of strength. Hulk can get stronger with rage, and Thing and Thor at various times hold back, and then later pull off an even greater feat. Under the ocean, Namor's strength, like other characters, has been stated to have no limit. Silver Surfer can continually amplify his strength with the Power Cosmic. Black Bolt falls behind in terms of physical strength, but his scream/voice is also limitless as far as I know. Etc.

Even on an average day I cant see spidey beating Silver Surfer

 

[tdogg2k]

Things Max is Hulks regular according to my comic collecting brother.

 

[jays25]

The problem with max for any character is that it's inevitably pushed even further, and there's therefore no actual limit to it. Thing, Thor, Hulk by this point are in the 100 ton range in terms of strength. Hulk can get stronger with rage, and Thing and Thor at various times hold back, and then later pull off an even greater feat. Under the ocean, Namor's strength, like other characters, has been stated to have no limit. Silver Surfer can continually amplify his strength with the Power Cosmic. Black Bolt falls behind in terms of physical strength, but his scream/voice is also limitless as far as I know. Etc.

Even on an average day I cant see spidey beating Silver Surfer

Yeah that's not happening lol Silver Surfer has flown through a sun before. Out of the above list i'd honestly place him, Hulk, and Thor as the absolute strongest. (Probably throw in Hercules too)

 

[rfx45]

Black Bolts voice being limitless in power has no bearing on the physical strength part of the discussion. That is overall power just like Silver Surfer could possibly remove all the gamma in Hulks body with his Power Cosmic and turn him to Banner and just snap his head off?

The charts/comic I've posted also only measure super strength so again the other powers they have are moot. Like oyu wouldn't put Jean Grey on the top because she can telekinetically (I know not a word) lift 5,000,000 tons.

But a battle between Hulk and Thing will mostly be pure strength and Hulk will win out because he can just keep harnessing through his anger. That is not even mentioning his other power like unlimited stamina, healing factor, etc... Yes Thing is durable but I do not remember him having unlimited stamina or healing factor the same level as Hulk or Wolverine.




But now if we are simply talking about strongest power overall then that changes the whole discussion.

 

[jays25]

I wasn't ever saying Thing wouldn't lose a fight in the end, simply that he can be placed on the same scale as the Hulk, as can the Silver Surfer (Because strength wise Surfer's power can again increase, just like Hulk's can) for that matter.

For the others I was just stating some facts about the issue with "max" powers.

 

[rfx45]

And I am saying since the Hulk can go to the next tier up that Thing can't be on the same scale/level. He'll always be a tier below the Hulk.

 

[jays25]

Placing him on another tier is honestly the exact same thing as placing him at the top of the same tier, because it happens for the same reason. Hulk fights Person-X, is losing, and if Person-X doesn't knock him out in time Hulk will eventually be stronger than Person-X, and if there's no reason for him to calm down his strength will just keep growing. Thing is in the same tier as the other characters at the top of that list with Hulk. So you'd really just have to give Hulk his own tier altogether. Though you then have to do the same for the Surfer, and Thor, etc.

 

[rfx45]

That's what Hulks been saying all along...

 

[tdogg2k]

Iron man shouldnt be there


what is Wonder Man's powers again??? why is he up there?

 

[rfx45]

what is Wonder Man's powers again??? why is he up there?

Through Baron Zemo's treatments, Simon became a being composed of pure, solid ionic energy and in turn gained super-human powers. Wonder Man's strength level is in excess of the 100 ton range, meaning he can lift (press) over 100 tons above his head, and has been compared to that of Thor. Wonder Man's skin and tissue has been rated a 9 on the Mohs scale of Hardness (normal human tissue equals a 1 and diamond equals 10). Since Simon gained his ionic form he has almost unlimited amounts of stamina and no longer needs food, water, or air to survive. Wonder Man also doesn't age. Though at first using a rocket propulsion belt to fly, he later learned to fly at high speeds using his own ionic propulsion. He also has enhanced agility as well almost instantaneous reflexes Wonder Man uses his Ionic Energy in a number of ways, he can fire energy blasts change his shape and as mentioned above it helps him to fly.

 

[jays25]

That's what Hulks been saying all along...

With Thor and Hercules saying the same thing And Surfer capable of saying the same

Iron man shouldnt be there


what is Wonder Man's powers again??? why is he up there?

Super strength, speed, endurance, stamina, hearing, etc. Flight, immortality, healing,energy manipulation

Tony being on the list depends on where the person who made it is capping the strength level at. Because his armor is capable of comparable strength feats.

EDIT: And he can always just build a newer one to be even stronger.

 

[silverbackhoney]

I want an ensemble of bad guys next

 

[nomnom]

Not looking good for Fantastic 4... 1/5 reviews are fresh so far.

Would love to see Marvel use the Fantastic 4 as the successors for when they retire IM, Thor, Steve Rogers

But no second thought, I wouldnt want them to join Marvel at the expense of the Inhumans.

 

[ssjjfar]

Iron Man being there is sort of a joke they did it seems. With a high enough energy source he charge his armor to be in that tier for two seconds. lol

 

[kari]

Deadpool trailer was