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[lamekilla]

the Avengers arent popular enough to stand on their own tho? why was he chosen for two? he could of easily been replaced by Wolverine if thats the case no? at the end of the day its a MCU poster. 75th Anni or not.

THANK YOU!!

 

[everysingletime]

If it was just about making an Avengers cover, they could've just put all the more popular Avengers on the cover be done with it.

Spiderman has a much bigger fan base than Wolverine.

 

[alleyzonjay]

it not an Avengers cover tho its a MCU cover. thats the difference. they even have GotG on there. so why include Spidey? that still makes no sense..

 

[everysingletime]

I know it's a Marvel comic poster.

You were the one who even mentioned the Avengers to begin with lol

 

[Master Zik]

i get what both sides are saying but i also agree with lamekilla. wouldnt Spidey just have his OWN poster if that was the case, like they did with XMen and F4?

Cuz Marvel owns everything else with Spidey other than movie rights. He's their most popular character by far. More so than Wolverine or any other of the X-Men and definitely more than the F4.

He's always going to be front and center.

It's more about them not having a reason to slight Spidey than they do those who are owned by companies they're not as amenable with.

But it should be stressed that Spider-Man does have his own 75th anniversary poster by Alex Ross

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why would they include him front and center in a poster with other MCU characters and give him his own?

Cuz Spidey is their most popular character and they'll make money off of selling Spider-Man material as usual.

i know nothing that goes on behind the scenes in the industry but one could assume this can possibly mean something. from Oscorp almost being in Avengers

This was a rumor but I guess if you keep repeating something over and over and using the word almost it'll spark hope

the Civil War rumors and now the inclusion of him in a MCU poster.

More talk of rumors and it's not a MCU poster. It's a 75th anniversary Marvel Comics poster/cover. To be more literal as of right now Medusa, Captain Marvel, Black Bolt, etc. aren't in the MCU.

i think it may be more than just coincedence here. as a fan of Marvel as a whole i sure would like to see him included one day in this cinematic universe..

This is the only thing that's keeping this going at the moment. People want something to happen, so they'll look and reach for anything that'll prove that it will happen despite reason. They'll look for proof in anything to support their theory.

Spidey would be great in the MCU one day but I know I don't want to see this version involved with what Marvel is doing and it's not going to happen until SONY up and decides to give up the rights or they agree to a favorable deal for Marvel to do some sort of universes meeting crossover.

That A3 is pointing to the Infinity gauntlet saga and ppl are seriously trying to force in Civil War in one movie is the real silly thing that yall think is going to happen without a hitch. Especially when Spidey isn't needed for it. The MCU doesn't even deal heavily with secret identities anymore.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

i get what both sides are saying but i also agree with lamekilla. wouldnt Spidey just have his OWN poster if that was the case, like they did with XMen and F4? why would they include him front and center in a poster with other MCU characters and give him his own? i know nothing that goes on behind the scenes in the industry but one could assume this can possibly mean something. from Oscorp almost being in Avengers to Sony's team working on GotG to the possibility of the Civil War rumors and now the inclusion of him in a MCU poster. i think it may be more than just coincedence here. as a fan of Marvel as a whole i sure would like to see him included one day in this cinematic universe..

1. Spiderman is the corporate mascot, there is no equivalent to him.

2. "i know nothing that goes on behind the scenes in the industry" exactly, you don't

the movie studio and the comic book editorial staff are not connected. Think of the comics as a r and d department. Microsoft/Apple has some insane stuff in it's r and d department, some stuff that could never be made due to legal/contract issues.


Sony is NEVER going to give, Spidey back, and Marvel has no reason to help a new competitor and so it isn't going to happen, unless Sony ges bankrupt or something.

 

[sunshineblotters]

the Avengers arent popular enough to stand on their own tho? why was he chosen for two? he could of easily been replaced by Wolverine if thats the case no? at the end of the day its a MCU poster. 75th Anni or not.

It's not an MCU poster. Again why the **** would they stop advertising to the comic book crowd? smdh.

 

[lamekilla]

Cuz Marvel owns everything else with Spidey other than movie rights. He's their most popular character by far. More so than Wolverine or any other of the X-Men and definitely more than the F4.

He's always going to be front and center.

It's more about them not having a reason to slight Spidey than they do those who are owned by companies they're not as amenable with.

But it should be stressed that Spider-Man does have his own 75th anniversary poster by Alex Ross

View media item 1183181View media item 1183182Cuz Spidey is their most popular character and they'll make money off of selling Spider-Man material as usual.
This was a rumor but I guess if you keep repeating something over and over and using the word almost it'll spark hope
More talk of rumors and it's not a MCU poster. It's a 75th anniversary Marvel Comics poster/cover. To be more literal as of right now Medusa, Captain Marvel, Black Bolt, etc. aren't in the MCU.
This is the only thing that's keeping this going at the moment. People want something to happen, so they'll look and reach for anything that'll prove that it will happen despite reason. They'll look for proof in anything to support their theory.

Spidey would be great in the MCU one day but I know I don't want to see this version involved with what Marvel is doing and it's not going to happen until SONY up and decides to give up the rights or they agree to a favorable deal for Marvel to do some sort of universes meeting crossover.

That A3 is pointing to the Infinity gauntlet saga and ppl are seriously trying to force in Civil War in one movie is the real silly thing that yall think is going to happen without a hitch. Especially when Spidey isn't needed for it. The MCU doesn't even deal heavily with secret identities anymore.

You mentioned in the beginning of the post that spider man is their most marketable and popular character which is of course why he's front and center. The dispute is that of the characters around him. Spiderman is more popular than wolverine...but black bolt isn't. Neither is iron fist, nor Groot or Rocket or quill. If this poster was about them not wanting to "slight spidey" over other characters whose movie rights are under other movie umbrellas who aren't amenable with marvel that makes no sense. Wasn't this poster to commemorate the 75th anniversary of Marvel comics? So why put characters who aren't that popular over others.....because it was a poster hinting at characters they'll be promoting in film

And that Alex Ross cover of Peter reading the comics has been my lock screen for about a week

1. Spiderman is the corporate mascot, there is no equivalent to him.

2. "i know nothing that goes on behind the scenes in the industry" exactly, you don't

the movie studio and the comic book editorial staff are not connected. Think of the comics as a r and d department. Microsoft/Apple has some insane stuff in it's r and d department, some stuff that could never be made due to legal/contract issues.


Sony is NEVER going to give, Spidey back, and Marvel has no reason to help a new competitor and so it isn't going to happen, unless Sony ges bankrupt or something.

I'm remembering this...

 

[Master Zik]

Cuz Marvel owns everything else with Spidey other than movie rights. He's their most popular character by far. More so than Wolverine or any other of the X-Men and definitely more than the F4.

He's always going to be front and center.

It's more about them not having a reason to slight Spidey than they do those who are owned by companies they're not as amenable with.

But it should be stressed that Spider-Man does have his own 75th anniversary poster by Alex Ross

View media item 1183181View media item 1183182Cuz Spidey is their most popular character and they'll make money off of selling Spider-Man material as usual.
This was a rumor but I guess if you keep repeating something over and over and using the word almost it'll spark hope
More talk of rumors and it's not a MCU poster. It's a 75th anniversary Marvel Comics poster/cover. To be more literal as of right now Medusa, Captain Marvel, Black Bolt, etc. aren't in the MCU.
This is the only thing that's keeping this going at the moment. People want something to happen, so they'll look and reach for anything that'll prove that it will happen despite reason. They'll look for proof in anything to support their theory.

Spidey would be great in the MCU one day but I know I don't want to see this version involved with what Marvel is doing and it's not going to happen until SONY up and decides to give up the rights or they agree to a favorable deal for Marvel to do some sort of universes meeting crossover.

That A3 is pointing to the Infinity gauntlet saga and ppl are seriously trying to force in Civil War in one movie is the real silly thing that yall think is going to happen without a hitch. Especially when Spidey isn't needed for it. The MCU doesn't even deal heavily with secret identities anymore.

You mentioned in the beginning of the post that spider man is their most marketable and popular character which is of course why he's front and center. The dispute is that of the characters around him. Spiderman is more popular than wolverine...but black bolt isn't. Neither is iron fist, nor Groot or Rocket or quill.

I guess this is why you're still confused. The question was why is Spidey there and I said cuz he's Marvel's most popular hero, he's their go to guy. The face of marvel.

I never said the poster was a group of Marvel's most popular characters. You specifically asked about Spidey, I gave specific answer about Spidey. Bringing up Black Bolt and Wolverine is irrelevant. You didn't say how come Wolverine isn't on there but BB is and if you did you would know the answer since I indirectly answered that already in several other posts.

If this poster was about them not wanting to "slight spidey" over other characters whose movie rights are under other movie umbrellas who aren't amenable with marvel that makes no sense.

You please have to reread before you reply. This is what I said:

It's more about them not having a reason to slight Spidey than they do those who are owned by companies they're not as amenable with.

I didn't say the poster was about them not wanting to slight Spidey/SONY. If we're talking about who is there and who is not there then the poster is more about slighting FOX and who they own for film.

Wasn't this poster to commemorate the 75th anniversary of Marvel comics? So why put characters who aren't that popular over others

The popular thing was only mentioned for Spidey since he is by far their most popular character.

They're celebrating their 75th anny, I don't see why they can't put characters who all have comics out RIGHT NOW and celebrate the rich history of Marvel. The majority of the ppl on the cover are just as old as Spidey if not older with a few being like 10 years younger. Their catalog is deep and they're displaying that.

...because it was a poster hinting at characters they'll be promoting in film

Even if this was the sole reason for why who was on it, that poster being something for the comics has nothing to do with Marvel Studios crossing over with SONY so that Spidey can be in Avengers.

You're not Reed Richards bruh, you can't reach that far.

 

[SORIANOTRON]

? You mean coulson? ...and if so no

yeah coulson, k thanks.

 

[lamekilla]

I guess this is why you're still confused. The question was why is Spidey there and I said cuz he's Marvel's most popular hero, he's their go to guy. The face of marvel.

I never said the poster was a group of Marvel's most popular characters. You specifically asked about Spidey, I gave specific answer about Spidey. Bringing up Black Bolt and Wolverine is irrelevant. You didn't say how come Wolverine isn't on there but BB is and if you did you would know the answer since I indirectly answered that already in several other posts.

You please have to reread before you reply. This is what I said:
I didn't say the poster was about them not wanting to slight Spidey/SONY. If we're talking about who is there and who is not there then the poster is more about slighting FOX and who they own for film.
The popular thing was only mentioned for Spidey since he is by far their most popular character.

They're celebrating their 75th anny, I don't see why they can't put characters who all have comics out RIGHT NOW and celebrate the rich history of Marvel. The majority of the ppl on the cover are just as old as Spidey if not older with a few being like 10 years younger. Their catalog is deep and they're displaying that.
Even if this was the sole reason for why who was on it, that poster being something for the comics has nothing to do with Marvel Studios crossing over with SONY so that Spidey can be in Avengers.

You're not Reed Richards bruh, you can't reach that far.

Zik you're missing the point because you're so adamant about Sony not letting Marvel have spiderman film rights EVEN THOUGH their is a consistent "rumor" about oscorp almost appearing in avengers AND through this discussion we found out a key detail about Sony working with Marvel on Guardians. If Marvel and Sony are buddy buddy to the point where they're working on films together in whatever capacity why is it a "Reed Richards Reach" as to what I'm saying and what the poster is clearly implying.

You keep mentioning that the 75th anniversary cover...THE MAIN anniversary photo I might add, is showing characters that are currently being pushed heavily in Marvel comics. But the reason they are being pushed is because they have films that have been released or are releasing under the MCU umbrella. This is obvious is it not? Ok now ask yourself, why is spiderman who Marvel doesn't have the movie rights to (at least that we know of) in a poster with Marvel characters that have been in MCU films or have been declared to be in upcoming MCU films or projects?

One of your rebuttals has been because Sony and Marvel are on good terms and Marvel owns everything spiderman BUT movie rights....this is where our discussion starts going around in circles. If Marvel and Sony are chummy, and it's now been discovered that Sony is helping Marvel in film and Sony owns films rights to Spiderman but Marvel included him in a photo displaying their MCU film stars present and future....what is that telling you.

Ok, you also keep mentioning that a photo has nothing to do with future plans but if you've been following marvel the past few years which I'm sure you have because you are very knowledgable about Marvel comics past and present then you know that everything that they have been doing as of recent has been to subtly promote films and or television shows. Case in point, EMH the series was canceled and replaced with Avengers Assemble to coincide with the film. No more talking about the Skrull-Kree war for marvel in animated shows, they don't have film rights for skrulls so why promote them in television right? So we get a cartoon with the movie avenger team in their movie costumes and better cohesion with Ultimate spiderman the cartoon (a cartoon that is introducing Nova and iron fist and luke cage to children, characters who have rarely or if ever been in any of marvels animated series but are now being pushed because of....MCU projects. See where this is going?) Also, I don't know if you're a gamer but Marvel vs capcom 3 did this as well. When the original version of the game released, the MCU was still in infancy and marvel catered to fans and brought back many of the character from the marvel side from older games like the wolverine,Storm, sentinel, iron man and newer characters like x-23, deadpool,super Skrull amongst others. When the update to marvel 3 came out which was about 6 months after the original version of marvel 3 dropped (which was too soon) the characters they added to the marvel side were questionable at the time which was in 2011 but make complete sense now. The characters: Nova, Rocket Raccon, iron fist, Doc Strange, hawkeye and ghost rider. Are you noticing anything yet...

Minus ghost rider, the other 5 characters are characters that Marvel made plans for in the MCU. Again this was in 2011, when the almost no one knew who the guardians of the galaxy were and NO ONE PERIOD had any idea that a guardians of the galaxy film was about to be greenlit...except marvel. Dr. Strange yep film about him soon. Iron fist, yep Netflix series about him too. Hawkeye, he's an avenger that was about to be in their box office smash hit...and ghost rider....guess who had the movie rights to him.....SONY (who's film rights have now reverted back to marvel also)
About 6 months ago Marvel made capcom take the game off the shelves and off of online purchases through Xbox and Playstation and took the license away from capcom. This is because they didn't want to pump anymore promotion into the game because the core of the game is X-men vs Street Fighter and marvel doesn't want to do any promotion for the xmen or FF characters anymore...

My point is that marvel is subtle with their chess moves. This 75th anniversary picture that is worth a thousand words I honestly don't think I'm reaching at all. Even Max Landis who is in these Hollywood writing circles made a tweet about spiderman film rights going back to marvel and then tweeted about the furious emails he was getting for divulging that info and deleted the tweets. But even with all that I just typed out I'll still be labeled as reaching...for now

 

[lamekilla]

It's not an MCU poster. Again why the **** would they stop advertising to the comic book crowd? smdh.

You've mentioned that the comic crowd is in the very minority in some post then ask why would they stop advertising to the comic book crowd in this one. This photo is for the 75th anniversary of Marvel, no? So why are they including these obscure characters in the poster as opposed to their household names only on the poster,
the characters that have kept marvel relevant for the past 75 years? Inhumans comics don't sell. Heroes for hire comics don't sell. People JUST started reading guardians but those numbers will fall eventually. So what about that photo is advertising to the comic crowd and not their future plans for films? Nothing. If spiderman wasn't on that photo it would be blatantly obvious that the poster is promoting MCU films but spiderman gets added and then the explanation gets blurry. Marvel knows what they're doing

 

[Master Zik]

I guess this is why you're still confused. The question was why is Spidey there and I said cuz he's Marvel's most popular hero, he's their go to guy. The face of marvel.

I never said the poster was a group of Marvel's most popular characters. You specifically asked about Spidey, I gave specific answer about Spidey. Bringing up Black Bolt and Wolverine is irrelevant. You didn't say how come Wolverine isn't on there but BB is and if you did you would know the answer since I indirectly answered that already in several other posts.

You please have to reread before you reply. This is what I said:
I didn't say the poster was about them not wanting to slight Spidey/SONY. If we're talking about who is there and who is not there then the poster is more about slighting FOX and who they own for film.
The popular thing was only mentioned for Spidey since he is by far their most popular character.

They're celebrating their 75th anny, I don't see why they can't put characters who all have comics out RIGHT NOW and celebrate the rich history of Marvel. The majority of the ppl on the cover are just as old as Spidey if not older with a few being like 10 years younger. Their catalog is deep and they're displaying that.
Even if this was the sole reason for why who was on it, that poster being something for the comics has nothing to do with Marvel Studios crossing over with SONY so that Spidey can be in Avengers.

You're not Reed Richards bruh, you can't reach that far.

Zik you're missing the point because

I'm not missing your point. I'm saying you're wrong. I'm saying that what you're using as support is not evidence for your conclusion. I've directly addressed your point several times. I'm saying it's not based on anything concrete.

My point is that marvel is subtle with their chess moves.

This statement on it's own isn't supported by anything though. Can you provide an example of subtle chess moves by Marvel that led to something else?

This 75th anniversary picture that is worth a thousand words

This is bull ****. Stuff like this is why you're entire point is just based on your hopeful wishes. Not anything tangible or workable.

A commissioned comic poster isn't hinting at anything in the going ons of the studios. What would even be the point of hinting that Spidey is going to be in the Avengers in that way? How is that a subtle chess move? It's meaningless. You really think Axel Alonso said to Kevin Feige or the other way around that it'd be cool to make a poster

It just sounds so dumb.

I honestly don't think I'm reaching at all

Of course you don't.

Like I said when ppl want something to happen really bad they won't mind being completely unreasonable and irrational.

Sad thing is even if Spidey did end up in the MCU somehow for completely different reasons you'd probably still hold on to your bull **** made up reaches to prove this point of yours had any credibility.

Even Max Landis who is in these Hollywood writing circles made a tweet about spiderman film rights going back to marvel and then tweeted about the furious emails he was getting for divulging that info and deleted the tweets.

Max Landis doesn't work for Marvel or SONY. Can you even prove this happened or went down? That he got "furious emails" for divulging alleged info in tweets?

Keep in mind what I'm saying is SONY isn't crossing over with Marvel and that what you were originally saying by bringing up they were on good terms. I'm specifically saying the only way Spidey is in the MCU is if SONY gives back the Spidey rights or if Disney buys SONY.

At this point your just saying stuff and not even connecting them to support your point. Just random rumor to incident that you're fixing to make support your idea. Max Landis tweeting that SONY would give back the Spidey rights has nothing to do with what you were saying AT ALL.

One of your rebuttals has been because Sony and Marvel are on good terms and Marvel owns everything spiderman BUT movie rights....this is where our discussion starts going around in circles. If Marvel and Sony are chummy, and it's now been discovered that Sony is helping Marvel in film and Sony owns films rights to Spiderman but Marvel included him in a photo displaying their MCU film stars present and future....what is that telling you

Nothing.

It's a comic book poster for the comics. Spider-Man is Marvel's most popular hero and face of the company. No matter how many times you bring it up. A poster for the 75th anny has nothing to do with two studios working together. You'd be better off ditching this train of thought and pursuing the fact that SONY helped with GotG That at least sets a precedent of the two studios working together in some small fashion for one of the MCU movies.

You conveniently ignored what I said about the poster again in regards to the studios and who is in it but I'm not gonna repeat myself again.

Ok, you also keep mentioning that a photo has nothing to do with future plans but if you've been following marvel the past few years which I'm sure you have because you are very knowledgable about Marvel comics past and present then you know that everything that they have been doing as of recent has been to subtly promote films and or television shows. Case in point, EMH the series was canceled and replaced with Avengers Assemble to coincide with the film. No more talking about the Skrull-Kree war for marvel in animated shows, they don't have film rights for skrulls so why promote them in television right? So we get a cartoon with the movie avenger team in their movie costumes and better cohesion with Ultimate spiderman the cartoon (a cartoon that is introducing Nova and iron fist and luke cage to children, characters who have rarely or if ever been in any of marvels animated series but are now being pushed because of....MCU projects. See where this is going?) Also, I don't know if you're a gamer but Marvel vs capcom 3 did this as well. When the original version of the game released, the MCU was still in infancy and marvel catered to fans and brought back many of the character from the marvel side from older games like the wolverine,Storm, sentinel, iron man and newer characters like x-23, deadpool,super Skrull amongst others. When the update to marvel 3 came out which was about 6 months after the original version of marvel 3 dropped (which was too soon) the characters they added to the marvel side were questionable at the time which was in 2011 but make complete sense now. The characters: Nova, Rocket Raccon, iron fist, Doc Strange, hawkeye and ghost rider. Are you noticing anything yet...

Minus ghost rider, the other 5 characters are characters that Marvel made plans for in the MCU. Again this was in 2011, when the almost no one knew who the guardians of the galaxy were and NO ONE PERIOD had any idea that a guardians of the galaxy film was about to be greenlit...except marvel. Dr. Strange yep film about him soon. Iron fist, yep Netflix series about him too. Hawkeye, he's an avenger that was about to be in their box office smash hit...and ghost rider....guess who had the movie rights to him.....SONY (who's film rights have now reverted back to marvel also)
About 6 months ago Marvel made capcom take the game off the shelves and off of online purchases through Xbox and Playstation and took the license away from capcom. This is because they didn't want to pump anymore promotion into the game because the core of the game is X-men vs Street Fighter and marvel doesn't want to do any promotion for the xmen or FF characters anymore...

This is called corporate synergy not subtle chess moves that'll lead to something else.

If Marvel had the full rights to X-Men for animation, there'd most likely be a X-Men cartoon now and they'd be in the same universe. I guess that dude that loves X-Men and wants it back with Marvel would be right next to you making up long *** reaches about how the X-Men are going to crossover with the MCU

 

[big j 33]

You're reaching... that's really all there is to it.

Most of us would love to see it happen, but let it go, man

 

[lamekilla]

I'm not missing your point. I'm saying you're wrong. I'm saying that what you're using as support is not evidence for your conclusion. I've directly addressed your point several times. I'm saying it's not based on anything concrete.
This statement on it's own isn't supported by anything though. Can you provide an example of subtle chess moves by Marvel that led to something else?
This is bull ****. Stuff like this is why you're entire point is just based on your hopeful wishes. Not anything tangible or workable.

A commissioned comic poster isn't hinting at anything in the going ons of the studios. What would even be the point of hinting that Spidey is going to be in the Avengers in that way? How is that a subtle chess move? It's meaningless. You really think Axel Alonso said to Kevin Feige or the other way around that it'd be cool to make a poster

It just sounds so dumb.
Of course you don't.

Like I said when ppl want something to happen really bad they won't mind being completely unreasonable and irrational.

Sad thing is even if Spidey did end up in the MCU somehow for completely different reasons you'd probably still hold on to your bull **** made up reaches to prove this point of yours had any credibility.

Max Landis doesn't work for Marvel or SONY. Can you even prove this happened or went down? That he got "furious emails" for divulging alleged info in tweets?

Keep in mind what I'm saying is SONY isn't crossing over with Marvel and that what you were originally saying by bringing up they were on good terms. I'm specifically saying the only way Spidey is in the MCU is if SONY gives back the Spidey rights or if Disney buys SONY.

At this point your just saying stuff and not even connecting them to support your point. Just random rumor to incident that you're fixing to make support your idea.
Nothing.

It's a comic book poster for the comics. Spider-Man is Marvel's most popular hero and face of the company. No matter how many times you bring it up. A poster for the 75th anny has nothing to do with two studios working together. You'd be better off ditching this train of thought and pursuing the fact that SONY helped with GotG That at least sets a precedent of the two studios working together in some small fashion for one of the MCU movies.

You conveniently ignored what I said about the poster again in regards to the studios and who is in it but I'm not gonna repeat myself again.

You couldn't have read my post because of what you asked that I put in bold. I went into detail about 2 examples, the cancellation of EMH for Avengers Assemble and a detailed explanation of how Marvel promoted Marvel vs. Capcom 3's update. You keep mentioning that the poster is just showing characters that Marvel is pushing in comics minus spiderman. Are you going to acknowledge the fact that all those character coincidently have MCU projects coming out?

You asked about the landis tweets when E everysingletime and I have posted the link to an article that goes into detail what I'm implying and includes landis's tweet including the one where he mentions getting furious emails. Here, I'll post it again http://moviepilot.com/posts/2014/09...-civil-war-in-the-mcu-there-i-said-it-2243729

It's cool if you don't want to read into this though. It'll just make the I told you so much sweeter...

 

[lamekilla]

You're reaching... that's really all there is to it.

Most of us would love to see it happen, but let it go, man

Right now it's a subtle reach I'll admit. But the clues are there. The last time Marvel did something like this that made no sense, we ended up getting a guardians of the galaxy film 3 years later. This random pic is foreshadowing. I'm telling y'all

 

[Master Zik]

I'm not missing your point. I'm saying you're wrong. I'm saying that what you're using as support is not evidence for your conclusion. I've directly addressed your point several times. I'm saying it's not based on anything concrete.
This statement on it's own isn't supported by anything though. Can you provide an example of subtle chess moves by Marvel that led to something else?
This is bull ****. Stuff like this is why you're entire point is just based on your hopeful wishes. Not anything tangible or workable.

A commissioned comic poster isn't hinting at anything in the going ons of the studios. What would even be the point of hinting that Spidey is going to be in the Avengers in that way? How is that a subtle chess move? It's meaningless. You really think Axel Alonso said to Kevin Feige or the other way around that it'd be cool to make a poster

It just sounds so dumb.
Of course you don't.

Like I said when ppl want something to happen really bad they won't mind being completely unreasonable and irrational.

Sad thing is even if Spidey did end up in the MCU somehow for completely different reasons you'd probably still hold on to your bull **** made up reaches to prove this point of yours had any credibility.

Max Landis doesn't work for Marvel or SONY. Can you even prove this happened or went down? That he got "furious emails" for divulging alleged info in tweets?

Keep in mind what I'm saying is SONY isn't crossing over with Marvel and that what you were originally saying by bringing up they were on good terms. I'm specifically saying the only way Spidey is in the MCU is if SONY gives back the Spidey rights or if Disney buys SONY.

At this point your just saying stuff and not even connecting them to support your point. Just random rumor to incident that you're fixing to make support your idea.
Nothing.

It's a comic book poster for the comics. Spider-Man is Marvel's most popular hero and face of the company. No matter how many times you bring it up. A poster for the 75th anny has nothing to do with two studios working together. You'd be better off ditching this train of thought and pursuing the fact that SONY helped with GotG That at least sets a precedent of the two studios working together in some small fashion for one of the MCU movies.

You conveniently ignored what I said about the poster again in regards to the studios and who is in it but I'm not gonna repeat myself again.

You couldn't have read my post because of what you asked that I put in bold. I went into detail about 2 examples, the cancellation of EMH for Avengers Assemble and a detailed explanation of how Marvel promoted Marvel vs. Capcom 3's update. You keep mentioning that the poster is just showing characters that Marvel is pushing in comics minus spiderman.

Yeah I read it. I was originally going to cross it all out cuz it was more bull **** but as you can now see I edited my post and addressed it. It's just corporate synergy and if you were really looking this stuff up you'd know it's exactly that because of Marvel employees in the comic and animation divisions (Tom Brevoort, Steve Wacker, Axel Alonso, Jeph Loeb, etc.) have publicly said it is exactly that.

Those are not subtle chess moves that led to anything. You're saying the poster is part of this grand goal to have Spidey in the MCU. You're calling it a subtle chess move. I'm asking you is there anything else that could support this happening like if Marvel had done something like this before. Video games and cartoons are not what I'm asking for. Canceling EMH for Avengers Assemble is not a subtle chess move. An update to Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is not a subtle chess move. Besides I said provide an example that led to something else. What did those things lead to? You're saying a poster for the 75th anny is foreshadowing the cross over SONY and MARVEL. You're saying the two studios are going to work out or are currently working out all of bureaucratic red tape and hashing out who will earn what and how much percentage for a Spider-Man appearance in a MCU film.

You could at least try if you're going to do this. Say some bull **** like there were subtle hints for the Iron Man post credit scene with Fury or something. Talk about tweets from 2006 in how Marvel always hinted they were going to get Hulk rights back and do an Avengers film or how Nick Fury was always going to be black in the movies. Something that gives this current point of yours any credibility or a precedent that shows it might happen again.

Are you going to acknowledge the fact that all those character coincidently have MCU projects coming out?

Now I wonder if you've been reading my posts. It's not a coincidence btw. I straight up addressed this in like my first reply to you.

 

[Ja's 2¢]

aye that avengers trailer needs to release or something, ya'll writing essays in here

 

[Master Zik]

You're reaching... that's really all there is to it.

Most of us would love to see it happen, but let it go, man

Right now it's a subtle reach I'll admit. But the clues are there. The last time Marvel did something like this that made no sense, we ended up getting a guardians of the galaxy film 3 years later. This random pic is foreshadowing. I'm telling y'all

See here we go. What were the clues and subtle hints 3 years ago that we were going to get a GotG movie? You know before they announced it publicly, before rumors.

Did I miss a Peter Quill cameo in a cartoon? or were the whole team on the cover of the 72nd anny poster?

Marvel never did anything that made no sense btw. The 75th anny poster makes sense, there's nothing to question about it. Several covers for the anny book about to come out.

When Marvel announced GotG nobody saw it coming for the most part, and most fans didn't know who they were. Those that did either didn't like it or were unsure if it would work. I mean you could go back 3 years to some of these threads to check. So let me know what these subtle chess moves were 3 years ago.

 

[everysingletime]

I quoted that article because it's fun to speculate, but I wouldn't use it to say Spidey is definitely coming to the mcu.

 

[tay1]

aye that avengers trailer needs to release or something, ya'll writing essays in here

And it's not even close to mattering at this point. Even if Spidey was coming back, we wouldn't see him until like Phase 4 - 5.

 

[everysingletime]

Aye so Tuesdays are when you guys have the free time, judging by the essays I'm seeing being written

 

[lamekilla]

Yeah I read it. I was originally going to cross it all out cuz it was more bull **** but as you can now see I edited my post and addressed it. It's just corporate synergy and if you were really looking this stuff up you'd know it's exactly that because of Marvel employees in the comic and animation divisions (Tom Brevoort, Steve Wacker, Axel Alonso, Jeph Loeb, etc.) have publicly said it is exactly that.

Those are not subtle chess moves that led to anything. You're saying the poster is part of this grand goal to have Spidey in the MCU. You're calling it a subtle chess move. I'm asking you is there anything else that could support this happening like if Marvel had done something like this before. Video games and cartoons are not what I'm asking for. Canceling EMH for Avengers Assemble is not a subtle chess move. An update to Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is not a subtle chess move. Besides I said provide an example that led to something else. What did those things lead to? You're saying a poster for the 75th anny is foreshadowing the cross over SONY and MARVEL. You're saying the two studios are going to work out or are currently working out all of bureaucratic red tape and hashing out who will earn what and how much percentage for a Spider-Man appearance in a MCU film.

You could at least try if you're going to do this. Say some bull **** like there were subtle hints for the Iron Man post credit scene with Fury or something. Talk about tweets from 2006 in how Marvel always hinted they were going to get Hulk rights back and do an Avengers film or how Nick Fury was always going to be black in the movies. Something that gives this current point of yours any credibility or a precedent that shows it might happen again.
Now I wonder if you've been reading my posts. It's not a coincidence btw. I straight up addressed this in like my first reply to you.

Zik what was the purpose of the corporate synergy then? You think these animators and producers like Loeb and Quesada are calling the shots? No these came from higher ups who are trying to extend the Marvel brand and keep uniformity for these kids that aren't reading comics anymore but watching television shows so when a movie comes out with these lesser known marvel heroes the kids recognize them and drag their parents to go. It's all about the films now, you were one of the people who were trying to convince me of that when I was going on my rant about ASM2. The comics are second to film. You dismissed my Marvel vs capcom 3 explanation but you've yet to acknowledge the truth in it. Rocket Raccoon and Nova were not known characters outside of a few comic book circles in 2011. For Marvel to add them to their heavily anticipated fighting game over many other returning characters and 2-3 years before the general public knew who they were was not a coincidence but was a strategic move to prepare people for these characters being heavily promoted by marvel. But of course you'll also dismiss that as nothing and ignore the what I posted about the other character that were also introduced in the update that now have MCU projects coming up

See here we go. What were the clues and subtle hints 3 years ago that we were going to get a GotG movie? You know before they announced it publicly, before rumors.

Did I miss a Peter Quill cameo in a cartoon? or were the whole team on the cover of the 72nd anny poster?

Marvel never did anything that made no sense btw. The 75th anny poster makes sense, there's nothing to question about it. Several covers for the anny book about to come out.

When Marvel announced GotG nobody saw it coming for the most part, and most fans didn't know who they were. Those that did either didn't like it or were unsure if it would work. I mean you could go back 3 years to some of these threads to check. So let me know what these subtle chess moves were 3 years ago.

Look back to what I just posted. But again you'll dismiss it and say I'm reaching

I quoted that article because it's fun to speculate, but I wouldn't use it to say Spidey is definitely coming to the mcu.

Most of the article is speculation but the little bit of facts posted in their are grand. Particularly the Sony working on the VFX for Guardians and the Max landis tweets. I knew about the tweets but the guardians thing I feel like has made the naysayers at the very least curious

 

[lamekilla]

And it's not even close to mattering at this point. Even if Spidey was coming back, we wouldn't see him until like Phase 4 - 5.

It all depends on what's about to go down in phase 3.

Aye so Tuesdays are when you guys have the free time, judging by the essays I'm seeing being written

Man I appologize for derailing the thread but this is fun. You know how I like rustling jimmies with my spiderman stuff. By the way where is rfx45 I was expecting him to come in here and shoot my theory down too. He's been lurking

 

[Master Zik]

Yeah I read it. I was originally going to cross it all out cuz it was more bull **** but as you can now see I edited my post and addressed it. It's just corporate synergy and if you were really looking this stuff up you'd know it's exactly that because of Marvel employees in the comic and animation divisions (Tom Brevoort, Steve Wacker, Axel Alonso, Jeph Loeb, etc.) have publicly said it is exactly that.

Those are not subtle chess moves that led to anything. You're saying the poster is part of this grand goal to have Spidey in the MCU. You're calling it a subtle chess move. I'm asking you is there anything else that could support this happening like if Marvel had done something like this before. Video games and cartoons are not what I'm asking for. Canceling EMH for Avengers Assemble is not a subtle chess move. An update to Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is not a subtle chess move. Besides I said provide an example that led to something else. What did those things lead to? You're saying a poster for the 75th anny is foreshadowing the cross over SONY and MARVEL. You're saying the two studios are going to work out or are currently working out all of bureaucratic red tape and hashing out who will earn what and how much percentage for a Spider-Man appearance in a MCU film.

You could at least try if you're going to do this. Say some bull **** like there were subtle hints for the Iron Man post credit scene with Fury or something. Talk about tweets from 2006 in how Marvel always hinted they were going to get Hulk rights back and do an Avengers film or how Nick Fury was always going to be black in the movies. Something that gives this current point of yours any credibility or a precedent that shows it might happen again.
Now I wonder if you've been reading my posts. It's not a coincidence btw. I straight up addressed this in like my first reply to you.

Zik what was the purpose of the corporate synergy then?

To make money. They think aligning certain properties that are in the public eye on multiple platforms will make them more money.

You think these animators and producers like Loeb and Quesada are calling the shots?

Loeb is the head of Marvel tv. He oversees the animation and tv shows. I don't think I need to explain what he does right? He's dealing with the netflix shows, AOS, Agent Carter, and the cartoons. Quesada is Marvel Comics chief creative officer. He's the go between for publishing to every other part of Marvel entertainment. Outside of just his art duties with certain divisions he deals with all of the new projects on the multiple mediums to relay back to Marvel comics. Perhaps you don't understand the importance of these roles. These aren't producers and animators. If what you're saying is true those two dudes especially would know about these "subtle chess moves" you're pulling out your ***.

Again I don't think you're researching this stuff at all at this point. Just talking out your ***.

No these came from higher ups

Name these higher ups. Outside of Feige who didn't I name? You want quotes from Ike P.? Perhaps the the Publisher of Marvel? Who exactly are you talking about that'll make what you're saying sound like smart "subtle chess move"?

Do you mean to tell me you want to take this all the way back to Disney? Despite it being widely reported for Marvel and many other companies that Disney owns that they leave their acquisitions to do them as long as they make money? Disney just gives the okay on ****. They're intertwined in how Marvel promotes and spreads their brand. They're not making day to day decisions on "subtle chess moves" I'd say this much though, if what you're saying had any truth to it they'd automatically have to be involved given the amount of money they'd have negotiate to do this with SONY which is unlikely given how much Marvel Studios is already making them and projected to make them as they continue and that they're already making money from SONY just by them continuing to make the Spidey movies after they just negotiated for the rights of everything else Spidey but the film rights.

who are trying to extend the Marvel brand and keep uniformity for these kids that aren't reading comics anymore but watching television shows so when a movie comes out with these lesser known marvel heroes the kids recognize them and drag their parents to go.

Like I said man, you don't really know what you're talking about. I just named some of the main guys involved whose job is to coordinate, think up, and execute the success of the Marvel brand.

It's all about the films now, you were one of the people who were trying to convince me of that when I was going on my rant about ASM2. The comics are second to film.

Seems to me you haven't grasped what I said then or now.

The films being the most important is exactly why what you're saying doesn't make sense. If Marvel was preparing for Spidey to be in the MCU they'd wouldn't use a poster as a clue. Cart before the horse man. The comics isn't dictating the films and neither is the video games. They're not clues either.

You dismissed my Marvel vs capcom 3 explanation but you've yet to acknowledge the truth in it. Rocket Raccoon and Nova were not known characters outside of a few comic book circles in 2011. For Marvel to add them to their heavily anticipated fighting game over many other returning characters and 2-3 years before the general public knew who they were was not a coincidence but was a strategic move to prepare people for these characters being heavily promoted by marvel. But of course you'll also dismiss that as nothing and ignore the what I posted about the other character that were also introduced in the update that now have MCU projects coming up

It's not a strategic move. If they know they're about to have something ready where these characters will have a buzz or be in a movie it would only make sense to prepare for their exposure. You should read some interviews in how this process commonly works. At times it's a suggestion, something like there's a lot of chatter about Nova right now so add him in the game. Sometimes it's taken, some times it's not.

Right now you've yet to establish how or why this poster thing makes sense.

You still haven't given me what I asked for either. You claimed your point is Marvel makes subtle chess moves. I'm asking for another instance where they did something like this that led to something else. If you seriously think adding a character to a video game is the foundation of what you're talking about you might as well stop now. They already own these characters. There's no negotiation with another studio. They just do it cuz they can. Isn't Wolverine in the video game? Where's your theory that he's crossing over? The Thing?

See here we go. What were the clues and subtle hints 3 years ago that we were going to get a GotG movie? You know before they announced it publicly, before rumors.

Did I miss a Peter Quill cameo in a cartoon? or were the whole team on the cover of the 72nd anny poster?

Marvel never did anything that made no sense btw. The 75th anny poster makes sense, there's nothing to question about it. Several covers for the anny book about to come out.

When Marvel announced GotG nobody saw it coming for the most part, and most fans didn't know who they were. Those that did either didn't like it or were unsure if it would work. I mean you could go back 3 years to some of these threads to check. So let me know what these subtle chess moves were 3 years ago.

Look back to what I just posted. But again you'll dismiss it and say I'm reaching

3 years ago what was the subtle chess move? 2011.

If it's the video game you're talking about then I gotta say you're really not aware about how this stuff works.