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post #121 of 145
Dude started feeding that cop. I hate cops.
post #122 of 145
How are folks upset at this though?

If he would have never punched dude in the face multiple times, he would still be alive... How you gonna punch a COP?!?
post #123 of 145
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But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.




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laugh.gif @ DEFERRED. Their duty is to protect and serve 24/7 which is the reason why they carry a gun/badge 24/7. I am still laugh.gif @ even suggesting a Law Enforcement officer deferring a crime happening in front of them.


What are you talking about?

Hubbard came into the picture after Bruno had left. The situation had already de-escalated when Hubbard arrived.

It's a different matter if Hubbard walked in on Bruno putting hands on the cabbie, but that isn't the case, not by a long shot.

There were on-duty officers actively responding to the situation, so Hubbard could have deferred TO THEM, especially when the situation had already de-escalated prior to his arrival.

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post #124 of 145
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what police department do you work for?


The Common sense police department.

You know, the one that values the lives of my officers, and thus teaches them to avoid taking unnecessary risks.

Let the one's who are responding to the situation deal with the perp.

You, the off-duty cop, secure the safety of the immediate vicinity.

Don't go chasing an incoherent drunk about the city.




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post #125 of 145
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You, the off-duty cop, secure the safety of the immediate vicinity.

Theres a violent man roaming the streets.... maybe he should be put under arrest for the safety of other citizens?
post #126 of 145
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If we just took every Glock 9 out of police officers hands and told them to go to work tomorrow? I think we'd see crime rise A LOT. 

 

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Which is NOT what I'm suggesting btw. I just said we need to be exploring alternative effective ways for police to protect citizens and prevent crime without every single one of them carrying a loaded deadly weapon.

 

Sorry buddy, but with the Cartel, MS13, Bloods, Crips, other gangs and random people going wild, cops need to carry guns, because the people they're trying to arrest are usually holding too, and they have little respect for LE even when the officer is armed.

 

Good luck getting a cop to arrive on time when someone is going crazy with guns. 

 

And we've come full circle. 

 

 

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The problem is too many people in this country think it's not even possible to have law enforcement effectively enforcing the law without a lethal weapon on their hip.
post #127 of 145
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You, the off-duty cop, secure the safety of the immediate vicinity.

Theres a violent man roaming the streets.... maybe he should be put under arrest for the safety of other citizens?


I totally agree. Forward thinking by the other security guard(s) to call the on-duty cops who were actively responding to the situation.



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post #128 of 145
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Question.

Gang member has a Uzi.

How do you enforce the law?

The same way cops currently enforce the law when they're overpowered.

Do what they can to protect the innocent and remove them from the situation while waiting for back up.
post #129 of 145
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Uh..pepper spray? tazer? Too soon.

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post #130 of 145
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The same way cops currently enforce the law when they're overpowered.

Do what they can to protect the innocent and remove them from the situation while waiting for back up.

So dude is spraying, taking lives? Then what?

Everyone run?

 

So we're talking about a mass shooter? I really don't know.  Should every cop be armed at every single moment in preparation of defending the public from mass shooters? I don't think so. 

 

The key words earlier were we should be looking at and exploring alternatives. Obviously law enforcement agencies would have to implement new or improved strategies if we're talking about disarming any meaningful number of officers on duty. 

post #131 of 145
Why does everyone want the cop to draw on him? If he drew the pistol it would have looked bad as a push of force and the cop killed the man in cold blood if he fired or some other thing. Cop tried to cuff him and didn't work out.
post #132 of 145
Somewhat off topic but..

This video reminded me with an ex-cop I used to work with. Dude had pulled up to a party and tried to arrest some guy that was firing weapons at an abandoned house. Things got heated and idiot pulled out a knife on him and swung. The cop tackled him to the ground and pulled out his weapon while doing so. He (the cop) then proceeds to FIRE HIS WEAPON while on top of him and guess what? HE MISSES him entirely.

He told this story in front of 5 other people and they were all like "dude thats crazy" . I on the other hand quested how the **** did he miss? I felt like deep down he was too scared to shoot the guy. The way he was describing it made it seemed like the cop in this video.
I asked everybody how they felt and they were all defending him. They told me in the heat of situation anything can happen. Which I would agree with but not when the guy is literally in front of you. man
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post #133 of 145
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You, the off-duty cop, secure the safety of the immediate vicinity.

Theres a violent man roaming the streets.... maybe he should be put under arrest for the safety of other citizens?


I totally agree. Forward thinking by the other security guard(s) to call the on-duty cops who were actively responding to the situation.



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the off duty cop got to the scene faster though
post #134 of 145
Just when you think there's a thread where everyone would have the same exact reaction, you wind up with dudes trying to convince you 1+2 = 12.

I'm convinced dudes like Antigen and Ice gettin' commission for trolling laugh.gif
post #135 of 145
I'm usually the first to be critical of police brutality & excessive force but taking away their guns is just stupid.


tired left-wing ideals, same folks who believe assault rifles are automatic weapons. and that they should be banned because they're excessive, are the same people who disregard the fact that handguns account for the most gun-related homicides.


and they're the same people who think a gun-ban, a disarming of the police & public will make our nation's streets safer.



great, let's just create open season on households across america. let criminals terrorize their neighborhoods with no fear of gun-toting law enforcement or even civilians.



because if you're going to disarm the police, then you'd have to disarm the public.


but you know who ISN'T going to be disarmed? thaaaaaat's right, the career criminals. their burners are dirty as it is already. they're not going to go "oh gun ban? I have to turn in my illegal firearms? well okay!!!"



It wouldn't work, period.
post #136 of 145
dude is an idiot

shouldnt have resisted
shouldnt have fought a cop
post #137 of 145
The way Hubbard descibed it and the way it went down in that video dont match up.
And I think that is a part of the problem that gets overlooked in these kinds of shootings.
Most times the officers write up their reports to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing to make their actions seem more justified.

In this case I think Hubbard WAS justified because he clearly feared for his life, and ultimately Bruno was already in the wrong for resisting in the first place but,

Hubbard said:
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“He then somehow flipped me over onto my back and the subject began punching me on the left side of my face and head,” Hubbard told detectives. “He was on top of me and I was in an extremely vulnerable position and I was exhausted from the struggle with the suspect.

“I don’t know how many times he struck me, but I started to black out and saw lines across my eyes. He continued to strike me and I started to lose consciousness and I believed the suspect was not going to stop hitting me until he killed me.

“I feared for my life and I drew my weapon, fired two shots center mass.”

But when you watch the video, Hubbard was already trying to pull his weapon before Bruno even threw a single blow.
You can clearly see at the 1:07 mark, when Bruno has both of his hands on Hubbard's face, that Hubbard has already started to reach for his weapon.
He had actually tugged on his gun 2-3 times BEFORE Bruno ever hit him. ( And if any of you has ever worn a gun belt before you would know that from the position he was laying, and with someone on top of you, it could be difficult to get your gun out of the holster)
This is what makes me believe that he actually feared for his life. He was visibly afraid.

You can also see from the video that Bruno hit Hubbard a MAXIMUM of 3 times before he got shot.
He got hit once, then twice before the camera pans, and one second later you hear gunshots.

NOT AT ALL how Hubbard described it. Hubbard had his gun out by the second time he was punched.
Its easy to look at the damage Bruno did to Hubbard and automatically rule it justified, but I think a HUGE problem with these
police shootings is how the officers lie and embellish their side of the story to avoid liability.
post #138 of 145
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49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? laugh.gif




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No it is not. So that gave Bruno the right to sweep the cop and try to beat him senseless? mean.gif


Prior to having his head bashed into the cement by the cop, Bruno was actually pretty calm. Watch the video, it's all there. Hell, the folks who captured everything on camera even note the cops excessive manner.

Bruno only went into takedown mode after he had his head bashed into the ground.

But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.

I think he should've attended to the victim--the cab driver--instead of trying to apprehend a drunkard whose identity was already known, and whose assault was likely already captured on surveillance. The WHOLE situation could have been avoided--that's my point.




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This is quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever read on NT.
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post #139 of 145
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Yall a bunch of broke cornballs.

Remember that time you said every cab in the US has a camera?
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post #140 of 145
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Why are you so mad ISN?
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Remember that time you said every cab in the US has a camera?
Remember the time u moved out of mommys house?
post #142 of 145
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The way Hubbard descibed it and the way it went down in that video dont match up.
And I think that is a part of the problem that gets overlooked in these kinds of shootings.
Most times the officers write up their reports to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing to make their actions seem more justified.

In this case I think Hubbard WAS justified because he clearly feared for his life, and ultimately Bruno was already in the wrong for resisting in the first place but,

Hubbard said:
But when you watch the video, Hubbard was already trying to pull his weapon before Bruno even threw a single blow.
You can clearly see at the 1:07 mark, when Bruno has both of his hands on Hubbard's face, that Hubbard has already started to reach for his weapon.
He had actually tugged on his gun 2-3 times BEFORE Bruno ever hit him. ( And if any of you has ever worn a gun belt before you would know that from the position he was laying, and with someone on top of you, it could be difficult to get your gun out of the holster)
This is what makes me believe that he actually feared for his life. He was visibly afraid.

You can also see from the video that Bruno hit Hubbard a MAXIMUM of 3 times before he got shot.
He got hit once, then twice before the camera pans, and one second later you hear gunshots.

NOT AT ALL how Hubbard described it. Hubbard had his gun out by the second time he was punched.
Its easy to look at the damage Bruno did to Hubbard and automatically rule it justified, but I think a HUGE problem with these
police shootings is how the officers lie and embellish their side of the story to avoid liability.
When your getting punched that hard, its hard to count the amount of times you are getting hit and if anything the cop might have been reaching for the pistol to keep the man inline and stop him from fighting him. The gun is used alot as a sign stop what your doing when a cop is involved and when your struggling and trying to fight him it might be necessary like it was
post #143 of 145

That gay dude and the girl annoyed the **** out of me. Just shut the **** up for god sakes.

 

Shooting was justified. If a cop wants to arrest you, unless you're making some sort of political statement, just turn around and let him arrest you. Dispute it after the fact but don't resist, take him to the ground and start punching him.

 

If I was the cop, I'm being assaulted and the guy is liable to take my gun and kill me. I'm well within my rights to shoot him first.

post #144 of 145
Put yourself in the cops shoes.

I would've done the same thing.

The guy is an idiot for trying to beat down a cop. Come on man.
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post #145 of 145
Props to the officer for getting his *** beat and doing what he had to do.
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