Dude tries to ground n pound a cop... and gets shot

JJ Watt said:
And dudes posting Zimmerman pics.

Stop trollin / looking for a reaction
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Cmon JJ... How am I trolling, did you read the spoiler?

I directly compared this situation involving an individual with a gun being attacked (allegedly in GZ's case) and how Zapato shrugged off the fact that hes not being charged to the fact hes a cop.

GZ was scrapping with a 16 year old kid... This officer was being assaulted by a full grown man and was clearly a couple of shots from being unconscious.

Direct comparison.  Who you calling a troll anyways? 
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Nah its just to draw a parallel with a high profile case of a civilian being acquitted under very similar circumstances in terms of what was occurring.

Just so happens that the cop's assaulter probably has 50+ lbs on GZ's and we also know for a fact that the situation was escalating very violently and he was clearly in danger.

Edit: didn't even see that someone else posted a GZ pic above.
 
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fraij da 5 11 said:
Nah its just to draw a parallel with a high profile case of a civilian being acquitted under very similar circumstances in terms of what was occurring.

Just so happens that the cop's assaulter probably has 50+ lbs on GZ's and we also know for a fact that the situation was escalating very violently and he was clearly in danger.

Edit: didn't even see that someone else posted a GZ pic above.
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-GZ followed a kid for no good reason, got told to stop following the kid by 911, ignored that command, instigated a altercation with a 16 year old, was probably get that work, shot him because he was getting beat up.

-Cop tries to arrest man that had broken the law, man resist arrest, starts assaulting cop, puts cop life in danger, cop shots in self defense.

Oh yes, I can see how they are soooooooooo similar. :rolleyes
 
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:




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He was justified, just because he's off duty he should overlook situations? Like somebody is getting robbed let me keep it moving because I'm off work today :rofl:
 
RustyShackleford said:
 
fraij da 5 11 said:
Nah its just to draw a parallel with a high profile case of a civilian being acquitted under very similar circumstances in terms of what was occurring.

Just so happens that the cop's assaulter probably has 50+ lbs on GZ's and we also know for a fact that the situation was escalating very violently and he was clearly in danger.

Edit: didn't even see that someone else posted a GZ pic above.
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-GZ followed a kid for no good reason, got told to stop following the kid by 911, ignored that command, instigated a altercation with a 16 year old, was probably get that work, shot him because he was getting beat up.

-Cop tries to arrest man that had broken the law, man resist arrest, starts assaulting cop, puts cop life in danger, cop shots in self defense.

Oh yes, I can see how they are soooooooooo similar.
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K its definitely apparent you don't understand the point of what I was saying.

the ONLY thing I'm comparing is the fact that both men, with guns, were being attacked and shot their attacker from bottom position.

He said that he would walk cause hes a cop.  GZ used as an example because he is not a cop and he walked.

Is that clear enough?
 
SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:




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No it is not. So that gave Bruno the right to sweep the cop and try to beat him senseless? :smh:
 
nothing good ever came from resisting, even if you ain't do ****...

****** still ain't learned you gotta just take that L and get them bracelets
 
SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right?
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wouldn't have even gotten to that point if the dude just let him cuff him...

if a cop is cuffing you, aint **** you can do about it besides get beat up or shot.... as demonstrated in all these videos
 
fraij da 5 11 said:
RustyShackleford said:
 
fraij da 5 11 said:
Nah its just to draw a parallel with a high profile case of a civilian being acquitted under very similar circumstances in terms of what was occurring.


Just so happens that the cop's assaulter probably has 50+ lbs on GZ's and we also know for a fact that the situation was escalating very violently and he was clearly in danger.


Edit: didn't even see that someone else posted a GZ pic above.
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-GZ followed a kid for no good reason, got told to stop following the kid by 911, ignored that command, instigated a altercation with a 16 year old, was probably get that work, shot him because he was getting beat up.


-Cop tries to arrest man that had broken the law, man resist arrest, starts assaulting cop, puts cop life in danger, cop shots in self defense.


Oh yes, I can see how they are soooooooooo similar. :rolleyes
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K its definitely apparent you don't understand the point of what I was saying.

the ONLY thing I'm comparing is the fact that both men, with guns, were being attacked and shot their attacker from bottom position.

He said that he would walk cause hes a cop.  GZ used as an example because he is not a cop and he walked.

Is that clear enough?
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You said they were similar situations. And I'm pointing your they were not

You stripped away all context from the situations to make your comparison.

-The cop will get off because it was a good shoot.

-GZ got off because he was overcharged, a dumb law, and the jury contained racist idiots
 
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RustyShackleford said:
SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:




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No it is not. So that gave Bruno the right to sweep the cop and try to beat him senseless? :smh:
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Prior to having his head bashed into the cement by the cop, Bruno was actually pretty calm. Watch the video, it's all there. Hell, the folks who captured everything on camera even note the cops excessive manner.

Bruno only went into takedown mode after he had his head bashed into the ground.

But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.

I think he should've attended to the victim--the cab driver--instead of trying to apprehend a drunkard whose identity was already known, and whose assault was likely already captured on surveillance. The WHOLE situation could have been avoided--that's my point.




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CreateDestroy said:
I guess people see why cops need to use overwhelming force when they have a suspect resisting arrest.

I'm glad the cop killed him and escaped serious harm....

First he beat an innocent cab driver then his rampage continued onto a police officer

animals like this should be taken off the street
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Now I agree that the police officers actions were justified and he did what he had to do in that situation, but to say you're glad that a man is dead is just wrong :smh:...
 
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SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.


The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.


But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:





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wouldn't have even gotten to that point if the dude just let him cuff him...

if a cop is cuffing you, aint **** you can do about it besides get beat up or shot.... as demonstrated in all these videos
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No race thread, but I'm a black man, and I know my role if I get into a situation like that. History has taught me that much.

Drunk white guy mindset--I can't really speak on that...:lol:

Violence begets violence, though. :smh:




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SuperAntigen said:
RustyShackleford said:
SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:




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No it is not. So that gave Bruno the right to sweep the cop and try to beat him senseless? :smh:
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Prior to having his head bashed into the cement by the cop, Bruno was actually pretty calm. Watch the video, it's all there. Hell, the folks who captured everything on camera even note the cops excessive manner.

Bruno only went into takedown mode after he had his head bashed into the ground.

But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.

I think he should've attended to the victim--the cab driver--instead of trying to apprehend a drunkard whose identity was already known, and whose assault was likely already captured on surveillance. The WHOLE situation could have been avoided--that's my point.




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-And I disagree. Bruno was the one drunk, he committed a crime, he was resisting, and he was assaulting a cop.

If he hadn't gotten drunk, he would be alive

If he wasn't acting the fool, he would be alive

If he had just let the cop slap on the cuffs, he would be alive.

If after he hit the sweep, he didn't try to beat the crap out the cop, he would be alive.

-Bruno got killed because he was a drunk hothead idiot, not because the cop handled it wrong.

-The whole situation could have been avoided, by Bruno
 
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WHY THE **** IS EVERYONE SO COMPLACENT WITH ENTITIES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED TO HELP US DOING WRONG ?
(This isn't about this case at all)

I constantly see police choking out and harassing INNOCENT suspects and when they get arrested it's they should have just let the officers do what they want... when did it become the norm to be disrespected and violated.
 
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Well they were initially in the taxi with the cab driver prior to the assault. My logic is that, like NYC cabs, the Kansas City cabs likely have surveillance systems in place, which are geared towards deterring crimes against the cabbies. They could simply have consulted the surveillance materials to identify Bruno had he fled.
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KC cabs and most cabs in the US dont have surveillance systems... step out of your Nanny state NY bubble.


SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
Also, Hubbard was an off-duty cop working a security gig at a hotel--this is where it becomes a grey area. I just don't think an off-duty cop should get involved in such situations especially when on-duty officers are already responding to the situation.
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Its a loose loose situation... Dont help and get accused of not doing your job.... help and get accused of stepping your bounds.



SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
I think his priority should've been to attend to the cabbie's immediate safety, if he wanted to get involved.
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Officers are not trained to provide medical care... they are trained to apprehend criminals.




SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
As I see it, Hubbard got involved in this situation because he was a "cop" with a "badge" and a "gun", and he figured this authority was absolute. Clearly, it wasn't and he got his *** beat; at which point, fearing for his life, he resorted to extreme measures.
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He got involved because he was Cop.... period. Bruno was in the wrong, had just committed assault and should have respected the officers authority in the situation. Of course that doesn't mean he is going to respect it; and because of his own decisions to assault a cabbie, resist the officer, assault the officer it ended up costing him his life.




SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
Would he have confronted Bruno without his "badge" and "gun"?

Would you, a layman, confront and try to apprehend a raging drunk after the proper authorities have been called?
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The matter of fact is whether on or off duty, an officer is always an officer.... He was the nearest proper authority. He was in uniform and had he not responded to the assault, there would be a whole other group of people claiming he was unfit to be an officer and not doing his job.




SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
Prior to having his head bashed into the cement by the cop, Bruno was actually pretty calm. Watch the video, it's all there. Hell, the folks who captured everything on camera even note the cops excessive manner.
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Calm?... He had already assaulted someone and was clearly resisting up until the point he was shot.


SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
Bruno only went into takedown mode after he had his head bashed into the ground.
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Would have never escalated to that level had he not assaulted the cab driver and resisted the officer.


SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.
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He was attempting to detain a subject fleeing after committing assault until responding on duty officers arrived to take him in. Its not an uncommon procedure.



SuperAntigen" url="/t/584655/dude-tries-to-ground-n-pound-a-cop-and-gets-shot/30#post_19933654 said:
I think he should've attended to the victim--the cab driver--instead of trying to apprehend a drunkard whose identity was already known, and whose assault was likely already captured on surveillance. The WHOLE situation could have been avoided--that's my point.
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Attend to the cabbie ? :lol: Im sure the cab driver would have preferred that a uniformed officer took notes about what happened and consoled him instead of going after the fleeing suspect.
 
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RustyShackleford said:
SuperAntigen said:
RustyShackleford said:
SuperAntigen said:
49s - 51s.

The cop shifts around, and knees Bruno's head INTO the concrete. This is before Bruno got the upper hand.

But I suppose that little detail isn't worth much, right? :lol:




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No it is not. So that gave Bruno the right to sweep the cop and try to beat him senseless? :smh:
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Prior to having his head bashed into the cement by the cop, Bruno was actually pretty calm. Watch the video, it's all there. Hell, the folks who captured everything on camera even note the cops excessive manner.

Bruno only went into takedown mode after he had his head bashed into the ground.

But that is all beside the point, as far as I am concerned. My argument all along was that the cop--Hubbard-- should have exercised better judgement and deferred to the COPS WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN NOTIFIED OF THE SITUATION, AND WERE ON THEIR WAY.

I think he should've attended to the victim--the cab driver--instead of trying to apprehend a drunkard whose identity was already known, and whose assault was likely already captured on surveillance. The WHOLE situation could have been avoided--that's my point.




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-And I disagree. Bruno was the one drunk, he committed a crime, he was resisting, and he was assaulting a cop.

If he hadn't gotten drunk, he would be alive

If he was acting the fool, he would be alive

If he had just let the cop slap on the cuffs, he would be alive.

If after he hit the sweep, he didn't try to beat the crap out the cop, he would be alive.

-Bruno got killed because he was a drunk hothead idiot, not because the cop handled it wrong.

-The whole situation could have been avoided, by Bruno
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You just got married to the love of your life and God forbid you decide to enjoy yourself by imbibing a bit, shame on you? Umm, ok...:lol:

If he wasn't acting a fool? All three major players in this bit acted a fool to some degree. Yet we vilifying one, perhaps rightly so, and absolving another, which is silly to me.

You think an off-duty cop is justified in arresting him? Fine, do you.

I'm of the belief that a matter of that sort should be left to the on-duty officers who were responding to the situation.

If the cop hadn't bashed his head into the concrete, Bruno wouldn't have swept him off his feet and proceeded to pummel him. Like I said in my first post, he thought his authority and control of the situation was absolute. Well he was wrong, and for making the critical error in judgement, he put his life in danger and took that of another man.

Rather than wait for the appropriate back up, you know--the on-duty officers who had already been summoned, he tried to be a super cop, and here we are at this unfortunate juncture.




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"At the beginning of the situation, we were thinking, cop just calm down, this doesn't need to be getting out of hand," said Janzen.

The video shows Hubbard struggling to arrest Bruno. According to a newly released statement, Hubbard says at one point Bruno told him, "You shouldn't have hit me."

"The tables kind of turned when he started to fight back and you just can't do that," said Janzen.


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/loca...hony-bruno-shooting-cell-phone-video/5831409/
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As an aside, I just think it's kinda wild that we're now living in a society where you can't even protest your arrest because doing so can cost you your life.

It's like, "just shut the eff up, take this abuse, and let me put these cuffs on you."

But maybe that's just me.




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SuperAntigen said:
As an aside, I just think it's kinda wild that we're now living in a society where you can't even protest your arrest because doing so can cost you your life.

It's like, "just shut the eff up, take this abuse, and let me put these cuffs on you."

But maybe that's just me.




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Its easy to avoid conflict though. These cases of cops acting crazy are 1 in a thousand. Sometimes you are just put in cuffs til the particular situation is solved. Since when could you protest an arrest before anyway. 
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Is it alright for a doctor to refuse someone medical attention when they're not on the clock?
 
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