Do you think Michael Jordan could have broken Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's scoring record if he hadn't take

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RetroSneaks26 said:
Why do you sound so sure of that? LOL, I guess we'll never know.
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MJ never lost in the finals, and never even let a series get to a game 7. Why are you guys so sure the Bulls would have lost a series.
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So they'd just lose a playoff series without it going to 7. It's not like a Jordan Bulls team has never lost in the playoffs.

Dudes be talking confident like these players were ageless immortals impervious to harm. 8 rings :lol:
 
blco02 said:
MJ never lost in the finals, and never even let a series get to a game 7. Why are you guys so sure the Bulls would have lost a series.
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For the same reason you are so sure they wouldn't lose. It's a matter of opinion....
 
People think Jordan is a superhero.


The Bullss would have never won 8 straight finals.

Look at the history of 4 straight finals, your team implodes by the fourth one.
 
You can't prove he wouldn't

Bill Russell teams went on a long run, so a there's precedent

Jordan that great of a player that it's possible. Jordan is the undisputed greatest player of the modern era
 
Mister Friendly said:
You can't prove he wouldn't

Bill Russell teams went on a long run, so a there's precedent

Jordan that great of a player that it's possible. Jordan is the undisputed greatest player of the modern era
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But you guys can't prove he could have either. What Russell did was in a different era in basketball. Thete is a reason we haven't seen anything past a 3 peat in years. More games, better talent ETC.

Jordan is the greatest to ever do it...but 8 straight? I just don't know.
 
I never said he would win 8 straight, he could've won more, he could've won less

Some of yall are trying to compare the Jordan to Bird, Kobe/Shaq and Lebron. Jordan was a far away greater player than all those dudes, his NBA Finals resume is way more impressive than them so I'd give him the benefit of doubt
 
I really think MJ's Bulls would have won in '93-'94.

The '92-'93 squad was, in my opinion, the weakest and most vulnerable of the 1st 3-peat teams. In addition to looking complacent, bored and depending on Jordan way too much (see: his 41 ppg in the Finals), their roster consisted of guys like Rodney McCray, Trent Tucker, Darrell Walker, Paxson at 32 who was a liability on D and played older than he was, and a gimpy 35 year old Cartwright, but they still managed to finish the season with the 3rd best record at 57-25 and of course the title.

On that '93-'94 team, just the additions of Kukoc and Kerr would have helped MJ immensely and invigorated the team. By the numbers the '93-'94 team was actually better defensively than the '92-'93 Bulls. Horace Grant and Pip were at their best and were both considered DPOY that season, B.J. was a starter and showed he could play at an all-star level. Williams was a good post defender at that point, Wennington, Blount, Longley and King were better than depending primarily on Cartwright and King the previous season.

Obviously I can''t guarantee they'd win a 4th straight title, but seeing how improved they were of the previous year's team with more talent, I think it's a safe assumption that they would.

Would Horace have signed with the Bulls for '94-95? Very doubtful. I don't see how the Bulls could win that year w/o a legit PF. Even so, 7 titles in 8 years would have been nice.
 
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im from houston and no way rockets are winning a chip with jordan still in the league.

mj isn't losing a 7 game series.
 
Go read about what happend to the Lakers and Celtics on that 4th straight final trip.

Y'all see what it did to the heat.



Michael Jordan isn't goku.

fatigue is real, Steve Kerr even talked about this, after the third everyone one the bulls were fried.

Some of you taking this Michael Jordan "Black Jesus" nickname a little too serious.
 
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Nelson C said:
I really think MJ's Bulls would have won in '93-'94.

The '92-'93 squad was, in my opinion, the weakest and most vulnerable of the 1st 3-peat teams. In addition to looking complacent, bored and depending on Jordan way too much (see: his 41 ppg in the Finals), their roster consisted of guys like Rodney McCray, Trent Tucker, Darrell Walker, Paxson at 32 who was a liability on D and played older than he was, and a gimpy 35 year old Cartwright, but they still managed to finish the season with the 3rd best record at 57-25 and of course the title.

On that '93-'94 team, just the additions of Kukoc and Kerr would have helped MJ immensely and invigorated the team. By the numbers the '93-'94 team was actually better defensively than the '92-'93 Bulls. Horace Grant and Pip were at their best and were both considered DPOY that season, B.J. was a starter and showed he could play at an all-star level. Williams was a good post defender at that point, Wennington, Blount, Longley and King were better than depending primarily on Cartwright and King the previous season.

Obviously I can''t guarantee they'd win a 4th straight title, but seeing how improved they were of the previous year's team with more talent, I think it's a safe assumption that they would.

Would Horace have signed with the Bulls for '94-95? Very doubtful. I don't see how the Bulls could win that year w/o a legit PF. Even so, 7 titles in 8 years would have been nice.
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Safe assumption?

I think you all are either crazy or just not informed about the history of 4 straight finals in modern NBA.

80's Celtics had the best point differential in the league, they lose to Detroit in 6 games, Kevin Mchales riddled with injuries the whole season his foot disintegrates and is never the same again.

80's lakers, had the second best point differential in the league, got blown off the floor by a piston team that wasn't better than them over the course of the season. Kareem is complete useless by the end, ends michael coopers career at only 32.

and the heat you already know what happned. Wade fading into Bolivia, Chris Bosh saying he was relived it was over, and Lebron cramps, and lebron STILL feeling the effects of the 4 straigth trips this year.


Teams that were just as good, had multiple hall of farmers comepltley imploded after the grind of 4 straight finals.

what would posses you to believe that Jordan would just be immune to this?

You see Pop resting his guys, not playing back to backs, you think he does that for fun? Jordan isn't made of adimantium, Houston wins both titles, probably kill the bulls if they even make it past the magic.
 
Jordan was far greater player than all those teams best player.....Thats the difference

The Rockets were not even a powerhouse like that when they won....No way they beat the Bulls

The additions of the Bulls made in 1994 can not be underestimated
 
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Mister Friendly said:
Jordan was far greater player than all those teams best player.....Thats the difference

The Rockets were not even a powerhouse like that when they won....No way they beat the Bulls

The additions of the Bulls made in 1994 can not be underestimated
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Im almost positive they would of lost one of them against the Rockets. 94 with Horace they probably would of got that but in 95 HELL NO. Ain't Jordan himself even say they would of lost against Hakeem and the Rockets in one of those finals?

Sorry man but Hakeem was a God that one season and his supporting cast were ballin.
 
So Hakeem would have matched Michael Jordans normal level which would have made Pippen the deciding factor

Also whos to say Horace Grant would have left if Jordan was playing for the Bulls in 1994

Those Rockets team weren't as dominant as the Bulls teams, they played in 8 series in those 2 championship years and they went to a deciding game 4 times

Jordan's championship era Bulls teams played in 24 series and they went to a deciding game only 2 times
 
Nelson C said:
 
I really think MJ's Bulls would have won in '93-'94.

The '92-'93 squad was, in my opinion, the weakest and most vulnerable of the 1st 3-peat teams. In addition to looking complacent, bored and depending on Jordan way too much (see: his 41 ppg in the Finals), their roster consisted of guys like Rodney McCray, Trent Tucker, Darrell Walker, Paxson at 32 who was a liability on D and played older than he was, and a gimpy 35 year old Cartwright, but they still managed to finish the season with the 3rd best record at 57-25 and of course the title.

On that '93-'94 team, just the additions of Kukoc and Kerr would have helped MJ immensely and invigorated the team. By the numbers the '93-'94 team was actually better defensively than the '92-'93 Bulls. Horace Grant and Pip were at their best and were both considered DPOY that season, B.J. was a starter and showed he could play at an all-star level. Williams was a good post defender at that point, Wennington, Blount, Longley and King were better than depending primarily on Cartwright and King the previous season.

Obviously I can''t guarantee they'd win a 4th straight title, but seeing how improved they were of the previous year's team with more talent, I think it's a safe assumption that they would.

Would Horace have signed with the Bulls for '94-95? Very doubtful. I don't see how the Bulls could win that year w/o a legit PF. Even so, 7 titles in 8 years would have been nice.
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THIS!!!!!!!!!!! The 92-93 Bulls were the weakest of the 1st set of 3Peats.... But with a 25 year old rookie Kukoc, Pip at MVP level, The 3 headed center, Ho Grant and BJ being All-Stars... That team cooks the 93-94 Rockets team in a 7 game series..... Houston was really good.... But the Bulls would have too many weapons. The Dream and who else would have helped..... A 2nd year Horry??? Maxwell??? Casell??? What allowed Houston to win the 1st chip was that they played The Knicks... Which were built similarly to Hou.... An elite center and a great supporting cast..... 

The one that I always question is if MJ and the Bulls came back and played the 99 Spurs..... San An would have beat the 99 Bulls.....
 
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Nelson C said:
I really think MJ's Bulls would have won in '93-'94.

The '92-'93 squad was, in my opinion, the weakest and most vulnerable of the 1st 3-peat teams. In addition to looking complacent, bored and depending on Jordan way too much (see: his 41 ppg in the Finals), their roster consisted of guys like Rodney McCray, Trent Tucker, Darrell Walker, Paxson at 32 who was a liability on D and played older than he was, and a gimpy 35 year old Cartwright, but they still managed to finish the season with the 3rd best record at 57-25 and of course the title.

On that '93-'94 team, just the additions of Kukoc and Kerr would have helped MJ immensely and invigorated the team. By the numbers the '93-'94 team was actually better defensively than the '92-'93 Bulls. Horace Grant and Pip were at their best and were both considered DPOY that season, B.J. was a starter and showed he could play at an all-star level. Williams was a good post defender at that point, Wennington, Blount, Longley and King were better than depending primarily on Cartwright and King the previous season.

Obviously I can''t guarantee they'd win a 4th straight title, but seeing how improved they were of the previous year's team with more talent, I think it's a safe assumption that they would.

Would Horace have signed with the Bulls for '94-95? Very doubtful. I don't see how the Bulls could win that year w/o a legit PF. Even so, 7 titles in 8 years would have been nice.
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Safe assumption?

I think you all are either crazy or just not informed about the history of 4 straight finals in modern NBA.

80's Celtics had the best point differential in the league, they lose to Detroit in 6 games, Kevin Mchales riddled with injuries the whole season his foot disintegrates and is never the same again.

80's lakers, had the second best point differential in the league, got blown off the floor by a piston team that wasn't better than them over the course of the season. Kareem is complete useless by the end, ends michael coopers career at only 32.

and the heat you already know what happned. Wade fading into Bolivia, Chris Bosh saying he was relived it was over, and Lebron cramps, and lebron STILL feeling the effects of the 4 straigth trips this year.


Teams that were just as good, had multiple hall of farmers comepltley imploded after the grind of 4 straight finals.

what would posses you to believe that Jordan would just be immune to this?

You see Pop resting his guys, not playing back to backs, you think he does that for fun? Jordan isn't made of adimantium, Houston wins both titles, probably kill the bulls if they even make it past the magic.
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Magic's Lakers won a championship in the 1984-85, that was their 4th final in a row.  He reached the Finals 9 times in the span of 12 years. Was Magic made of adimantium?

Bird also reached the Finals 4 times in a row, he got to the Finals 5 times in 7 seasons. Must've been something in the water in French Lick.

What reason would I have to doubt that a prime Jordan, with a re-stacked squad, could not only reach a 4th Final in a row, but win it? A guy who would later lead his team to the most successful 3 year win total in the history of the NBA when he was supposedly past his prime. 
 
Nelson C said:
Magic's Lakers won a championship in the 1984-85, that was their 4th final in a row.  He reached the Finals 9 times in the span of 12 years. Was Magic made of adimantium?

Bird also reached the Finals 4 times in a row, he got to the Finals 5 times in 7 seasons. Must've been something in the water in French Lick.

What reason would I have to doubt that a prime Jordan, with a re-stacked squad, could not only reach a 4th Final in a row, but win it? A guy who would later lead his team to the most successful 3 year win total in the history of the NBA when he was supposedly past his prime. 
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1. playoffs were shorter for half those.

2. Because every team that's made it to 4 straight finals basically implodes.

3. Past his prime jordan also had the benefit of expansion thinning out talent.


Look most this boils down to that a lot of NTers think Jordan is way better than Bird/Magic/Lebron, I don't. I think in there primes the difference is negligible.

so in my mind if they couldn't do it, I don't think Jordan could.
 
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Bird's teams reached the Finals 4 times in a row playing 4 rounds each year. He also did it with a bad back he injured for the latter 2 of those seasons. Magic reached 5 out of 6 Finals playing 4 rounds. Jordan's strength is renowned, no reason to think he couldn't. It seems that you're letting what happened to Lebron cloud your judgment. We'll agree to disagree.
 
Osh Kosh Bosh said:
1. playoffs were shorter for half those.

2. Because every team that's made it to 4 straight finals basically implodes.

3. Past his prime jordan also had the benefit of expansion thinning out talent.


Look most this boils down to that a lot of NTers think Jordan is way better than Bird/Magic/Lebron, I don't. I think in there primes the difference is negligible.

so in my mind if they couldn't do it, I don't think Jordan could.
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Probably the first thing I've ever completely agreed with you on, especially the bolded portion.
 
Nelson C said:
Bird's teams reached the Finals 4 times in a row playing 4 rounds each year. He also did it with a bad back he injured for the latter 2 of those seasons. Magic reached 5 out of 6 Finals playing 4 rounds. Jordan's strength is renowned, no reason to think he couldn't. It seems that you're letting what happened to Lebron cloud your judgment. We'll agree to disagree.
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yes bird made it to 4 but always lost on the 4th attempt, and some teammates also suffered career altering injuries.

Im letting what happened to Bird/Magic/Lebron inform my judgment.

I don't think anyone no matter how good they are will get to 4 straight finals and win the 4th, I just don't believe it can be done. Not by Jordan not by anyone.

You can disagree, but the idea that it's a "safe assumption" that jordan would do something that never ever been done, in 4 round playoffs seems ridiculous.
 
Jordan was way better than Magic/Bird and Lebron

Also none of those teams got reinforcements like the Bulls did
 
Way better? I can't get on board with that. And the supporting casts of Lakers/Celts were great. As I said earlier, I think Rockets get one (probably the 93-94 season)
 
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