"We Require Rappers To Be 'Real' Before They Lie To Us": WHY IT SUCKS TO BE A RAPPER LIKE RICK ROSS

illphillip said:

Clearly the rap audience today ain't built the same as it was once.

Right, I can't pretend to be Scarface because I sold dime bags. But I can rap about selling drugs, right?

How many cats out here are really pretending to be Scarface?

A lot of y'all playing dumb if you don't know the difference between stretching the truth (poetic license if you will) and lying.

Ross' lies go well beyond his music.

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VICTOR PAGE said:

What do you think would happen if LeAnn Rimes started making songs about owing Noriega a hundred favors? 

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illphillip said:

Clearly the rap audience today ain't built the same as it was once.

Right, I can't pretend to be Scarface because I sold dime bags. But I can rap about selling drugs, right?

How many cats out here are really pretending to be Scarface?

A lot of y'all playing dumb if you don't know the difference between stretching the truth (poetic license if you will) and lying.

Ross' lies go well beyond his music.

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Antidope said:

Stopped caring how much of rap is real or not years ago.

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VICTOR PAGE said:

It's amazing how everyone just accepts that "only entertainment" ********.

Do your research. The culture was BORN out of authenticity. Then when these puppet masters got a hold of the culture, they brainwashed everyone into believing a form of music that was POWERFUL and influenced conscious thinking...could also be a bunch of fabricated lies about glorified street tales and to look at is as "entertainment". Before anyone compares music to film...understand that Arnold doesn't pretend to be The Terminator when the cameras go off. 

Too many people are OK, or just don't care about the bigger picture.

Why is it that Hip Hop...OUR culture...is the only music that this is accepted in?

What do you think would happen if LeAnn Rimes started making songs about owing Noriega a hundred favors? 

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Maximus Meridius said:

@ stretching truth


Either you did what you said or didn't. Period.

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The information is out there you just choose to ignore it and make up excuses. I'm not reading that.

Rick Ross came out in 2006 calling himself Ricky Ross the biggest boss and selling a drug kingpin image. On his first single Hustlin' he says things like.

"I know Pablo, Noriega, the real Noriega
He owe me a hundred favors"

Which later turned out to be a lie

"Whip it real hard whip it whip it real hard
I caught a charge, I caught a charge
Whip it real hard, whip it whip it real hard"

His first ever arrest and run in with the law was in 2008 2 years after that song cam out.

In 2008 a picture came out of a young black male in a C.O. uniform. William responded saying "These online hackers putting a picture of my face when I was a teenager in high school on other peoples' body.

Then he denied it again here. Just look at his body language and his head and of course his got his eyes covered.



Here he is again denying it and making a fool of himself



Then there was this very embarrassing interview



Then there was this where he says yes it was me and i ran with a team and was asked to take the job. It's deeper than rap.



But then in 2012 in a interview with Rolling Stones he says

This was my best friend, who I ate peanut-butter-and-jelly sandwiches with, and pork and beans with, my buddy, my partner, my number-one dude. Suddenly I'm talking to him over federal phone calls. Hearing the way it was building, I knew I couldn't take nothing for granted," says Ross. "My homey's father was a huge influence on my life, too . . . He was the one who was like, 'Yo, go get a job somewhere, man. Go be a fireman. Or go be a fu*king corrections officer. Just go sit down somewhere.

Then theres the Freeway Rick Ross drama. It can't be a coincidence that they have the same name, bald head and beard and were both drug kingpins who made millions of dollars.

"I made a couple million dollars last year dealin weight"

And he didn't take a made up street nickname, he took his government name and was working in the prison system when Rick Ross was caught and sentenced.

He claims to have never heard of Rick Ross and tries to discredit him but in a 2006 interview with XXl

Miami native Rick Ross looked toward L.A.’s crack kingpin Freeway Rick to make a name for himself.
“When [I heard his story], it just grabbed me,” says Ross, of his namesake.

Miami newspapers have done a stories on him

Ross, whose real name is William Leonard Roberts II, came from a middle-class family with educated parents, earned average grades in high school and was a standout football lineman his senior year.

He graduated high school, won a football scholarship & spent a year at Albany State University studying criminal justice.

His mother was a nurse and his father, whom she divorced, had earned several educational degrees. Until Ross was 14, he lived in a tidy corner house in a hard-scrabble neighborhood around the corner from Carol City High, where he later played football under legendary coach Walter Frazier.

His fans say he was kicked out after being caught selling drugs but Ross dropped out after one semester in which he majored in criminal justice, according to a university spokesman.

“He wasn’t an angel. We used to get on him about missing practices, especially when it was hot,” Frazier recalls. “Football was important to him, and he hung with a special group of guys — fun-loving guys who all went out together.’’

“He was cool, and we were together practically every day,” Morgan said. He said they pretty much stayed out of trouble, other than an occasional shoplifting or stiffing a cab driver. The friends were both hefty and called each other “Fat Boy” from the time they were kids.

Frazier said Ross’ nickname in high school was “Big Bill,” and he was far from the thug or gangster that he writes about.

If Ross initially grew up in a rough neighborhood, he didn’t stay. In 1992, when Ross was 16, county records show that his mother, Tommie Roberts, purchased a 2,300 square foot home in Rolling Oaks Estates, an upscale cul-de-sac community in Miami Gardens.

So all that growing up poor and not having opportunities is lies

But after dropping out of college, Ross’ mother pressured him to go to work so that he would stay away from the grittier realities of street life, Morgan said..

In 1995, at the age of 19, he graduated from the training academy and was hired as an officer at the South Florida Reception Center, a prison facility. When he resigned two years later, he was earning $25,000 a year.

To be a C.O. you have to go on a training programe, have a clean record and they look into your life and history.

“He’s pretty much seen what I’d seen growing up,’’ Morgan said. “We would be playing outside and seeing drugs and other bad stuff.’’

Frazier said he was shocked when he learned who “Ross” was. He happened to see him on television and was taken aback by some of the language in his music.

When he saw Ross a few years later, the rapper told him, “Hey coach, I have to make a dollar.’’

“I guess you have to do what you have to do to be popular and sell records,’’ Frazier said.

Records show he agreed to perform a wide range of correctional officer duties including shoot an inmate attempting to escape.

Carol City resident on Rick Ross

I grew up in Carol City. I graduated from the same school as Rick Ross and Flo-Rida, Miami-Carol City Senior High School.

The perception (which Ross has put forth) is that Carol City is the “’hood”—meaning, some hardcore area, full of projects, liquor stores, gangs and an unsafe place to walk through at night.
But I say, Carol City is not the “’hood!”

This “Carol City Cartel” drug imagine that Ross raps about—never seen it or heard of it!
Carol City is my neighbor… “hood?” I don’t think so! Carol City is my neighborhood! You can still walk down 183 Street at night! Hell, Dolphin Stadium, home of the Miami Dolphins was built in Carol City! (ca.. 1995) Do you think that those crackas would’ve put and multi-million dollar stadium in some dilapidated ghetto/’hood?

The happy-go-lucky, sing-song rap style of Flo-Rida (another Carol City resident) is a more truthful depiction of the environment we grew up in. Ross’s grimy tales of drug dealing in Carol City just seems a little dishonest and contrived.

The rapper Rick Ross would have his fans believe that he made millions trafficking cocaine while running with one of Miami’s violent street gangs.

Ross’s purported hoodlum connections were explored last April during a deposition of Officer Rey Hernandez

“Do you have anything that shows you he was affiliated with any gang?” Hernandez replied, “No, I do not.” Zamren also got Hernandez to acknowledge that, prior to the January 2008 bust, Ross had never been arrested in Miami-Dade County, where he has long resided.

In his videos Rick Ross relived these gangster fantasies with his Maybach Music, driving luxury automobiles, sporting excessive and gaudy jewelry on his neck and wrists and romanticizing and glorifying the criminal lifestyles. While middle class America, with their love of gangster epics, has become avid consumers, Rick Ross has become very wealthy in the process.

This guy makes me laugh so much, I think he has told so many lies he has forgotten what he’s said in the past. Obviously his been media trained but even that can’t help him. I’ve heard him talk about being suspended from elementary school before but i’ve never heard him talk about graduating high school going to college and studying criminal justice at university and struggling to become a successful rapper. He has said a number of times in songs and even interviews he is rich of cocaine but according to Erick Sermon he was broke and Suave House owner Tony Draper used to drive him around to studio sessions and he even slept on Greg Street’s sofa a few times. LOL

The thing is that he lied about it and tried to hide his past.

This dude studied criminal justice at university. He destroys the community by saying he is from the hood, and was poor and all that when he studied and lived a good life.

I know he can rap, but on the other hand I don't respect a liar. It's sad when a person is not happy with being them self. Anyone can visit the state(correctional facility) and see his picture is still posted on their wall.

It’s almost as if the loss of authenticity has freed him to push the Rick Ross character to its utmost extreme

Rick Ross makes a little joke. “I know Pablo,” he says (meaning Pablo Escobar), “Noriega.” He pauses, then clarifies, “The real Noriega/ He owe me a hundred favors.”

Ross is tipping his hat to the theatricality of his persona.

The New Yorker Labels Rick Ross A Con Man Who Might Have Put The Last Nail In The Coffin For Rappers Who "Keep It Real"

Williams success in mimicking drug lords has brought him the ability to live like one of them

Perhaps listeners know that this is a version of “Miami Vice,” a show that he claims to have been inspired by

No one expects all Hip Hop artists to be the genuine article. Most rappers tell the odd lie and exaggerate their story to a certain degree. But as far as we know, No one has done what rapper Rick Ross is doing.

You know what I've noticed? People who see right through this kind of music are usually self-aware, and get tired of the same formula. The people that eat this stuff up usually say one of two things: "This bangs." "This goes hard." If that's all it takes, for a song to sound "tough" to impress you, or move you, then I feel sorry for you. I can't judge you or people like you since I don't know you, but I can make a reasonable assumption that authenticity and lyricsm doesn't mean sh*t to the average, so called "hip-hop" fan out there today. To paraphrase Pac...Listen to the lyrics. Don't just bob your head to the beat, peep what the artist is telling you. And hold them accountable for it. So it's only right that people like me call out Ross on the fraudulent *******t that started his career. Fans have more power than they think, speak the fu*k up

Some Ross fans need to believe certain things. They have to see his street credibility as legitimate, as if that does something for the music. Personally, I've always felt that Ross was more or less in on the joke, so to speak. I think dude knows he's not really built like that, but if he plays it the way he does, he gets more attention, media coverage, blog posts, etc. He's just like a lot of guys out there who come from a decent home, but still have an infatuation with street culture. He happens to know a few guys who did some things, plus he's an encyclopedia of knowledge when it comes to gangsters of the past. We also have to remember he's a grown man, almost 40. If you can make 9 million a year doing the type of music he does and just pay off whoever you have to, why not? It's not as though he has a lot of career options available, he's spent his entire adult life rapping, he didn't just come out when Hustlin' dropped.

Musically, his first two albums were mostly trash. It wasn't until Deeper Than Rap that he found a stride and realized there was no point in holding back, he might as well embrace the persona fully. Instead of giving up after the CO scandal/50 beef, he just made stuff that even more over the top and ridiculously theatrical.

I think that 50 done Ross even worse than he did Murder Inc. I don't understand how people still fu*k with MMG, if this was 2000 MMG woulda already been done for. I mean, 50 cent took out ****** baby mommas, took pics with ****** sons, went to khaleed (although not MMG still part of same clique) mom's place, whupped gunplay, took their chain, has pics with the chain, head was a C.O., and on and on.

This might be one of the most all time disrespectful sh*t i've seen done to a crew. Imagine if death row had done all this sh*t to bad boy, all pac did was fu*k faith, and people act like THAT was a big blow. Imagine if suge and pac had took pics with childrem, went to bigs mom's house when she was sleep and mad threatening video, if Biggie was a C.O., if cease had been jumped and his bad boy chain tooken,

yet, it's like rick ross fans make excuses or ignore all these L's

It seems like the classic case of middle class suburban people who see and hear things on the news, TV and through music. Grow up watching scarface (his favorite film) and Miami Vice and are fascinated by that lifestyle and move from the suburbs to the hood.

Teflon Don Promo replaying his favorite scene from Scarface



Freeway Ricky Ross Says Rick Ross As A CO Would Snitch On Inmates With Extra Oodles Of Noodles



50 Cent with Rick Ross Baby Mother





Uncle Murda & Ra Diggs Talk About The Rapper Rick Ross

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Qualmes said:

Unless someones planning on pressing him personally let it go...you want fraud rappers to disappear? its as simple as not constantly bringing up the same arguments over and over giving him more pr...dude obviously makes good music and entertains which rap is all about

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Benny Bugatti said:

 
Carol City not being hood, that's highly debatable.

It ain't Liberty City or Little Haiti, but plenty of drugs and murder. My next door neighboor got killed in a drug deal gone bad. Half the dudes I grew up with ended up getting into some foolishness or getting killed. Trust, nobody wants their kids growing up in that neighboorhood, even if it is working class.

But yes, it's technically a suburb, just like Flint, East St. Louis, Harvey/Markham, and Decatur are suburbs as well.

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illphillip said:

Clearly the rap audience today ain't built the same as it was once.

Right, I can't pretend to be Scarface because I sold dime bags. But I can rap about selling drugs, right?

How many cats out here are really pretending to be Scarface?

A lot of y'all playing dumb if you don't know the difference between stretching the truth (poetic license if you will) and lying.

Ross' lies go well beyond his music.

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