Peter Rosenberg says Jay-Z is riding Kanye West's Coattails & gets checked by Jay

I still play FWMYKIGI, Versus, and Beach Is Better.

What do I still play from Yeezus?
 
tyisny said:
SMMFH he's a 40+ year old man who has a wife and child, who has been rich going on damn near two decades.... Mf'ers really don't understand the concept of evolution. Jay is clearly showing you who he is, a ***** from the streets with street values who is now in a rich white man's world and changing the rules on how things are suppose to look.
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what i mean is he should always look back in the past and how far he's become, i'm a fan of storytelling in music and i wouldn't mind if he did a little more of that in his recent stuff. he's touched a few of those topics on MCHG
 
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tyisny said:
SMMFH he's a 40+ year old man who has a wife and child, who has been rich going on damn near two decades.... Mf'ers really don't understand the concept of evolution. Jay is clearly showing you who he is, a ***** from the streets with street values who is now in a rich white man's world and changing the rules on how things are suppose to look.
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QFT, when you go to selling work to having worhol pieces the way you talk or act will change, its called graduating

what i mean is he should always look back in the past and how far he's become, i'm a fan of storytelling in music and i wouldn't mind if he did a little more of that in his recent stuff. he's touched a few of those topics on MCHG
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and a few is all we need, want the street jay? Go spin the whole reasonable doubt, and ppl need to stop comparing kanye and jay, two different ppl from two different lifestyles that just so happen to work together and make good music
 
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That's understandable and he does exactly that in several songs on his albums. Now if you want stories like d'evils or Friend or foe then your expecting the wrong things. The reason why those stories are so vivid and so good is because they come from truths and real life experiences (obviously not a 100% truth but the streets were cause for the inspiration)

Of course your always going to have memories of your life but it's damn near impossible for those memories to bring you back to the same mind state and emotions you were feeling 20 years ago. Not to mention even if he had that kind of content left it's simply not beneficial to the hiphop culture for him too make full albums like that every time out. He is now playing at a level with no blueprint... him Nas, Em, Kanye etc etc don't have a guide to how it should be done because we've never seen an era where Hiphop has been this accepted and rappers well into there 30's or early 40's are still loved on a mainstream level.
 
tyisny said:
illphillip said:
That's "hurt" to you?

OK.

So it's odd to you....but here you are as well. Cape tied up tight!

:lol:
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i'm a fan of kanye west... i'm a fan of Jay-Z.... i post in the thread about both of them.

Your clearly aren't a fan of Kanye West new music, or anything he involves himself in yet i see you in every single thread about him... i just don't see the point behind that

If i'm quote on quote caping yet you have as many post if not more discussing kanye west than i do....:rolleyes **** ain't adding up fam
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Are you keeping score on who's posting more now?

:lol:

You are straight comedy.

So I'm a fan of Kanye West. And a fan of Jay Z. While not particularly caring for Kanye's new music.

And I comment as such. Whether or not you see the point behind that is irrelevant. I could, conversely say that I don't understand how someone could have the blind adoration for artists while being seemingly incapable of being critical of said artists when the time is right.

But that's not the point of the thread is it? This thread is about both Jay and Kanye. So....

All good though. Let the hurt flooooooooooow.

nawghtyhare said:
Any thread about kanye that illphil is apart of always provides the lulz
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I'm sayin'. These dudes SO serious about it. :lol:
 
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actually not at all like i said it's funny to me that you can call people stans for posting about an artist they appreciate yet your in EVERY single thread about said artist posting as much if not more then i am.

Not to mention we get into these conversations all the time and in those conversations you've typed how much you dislike the Yeezus album, How much you dislike his personality, How much you dislike his thought process, downplay his impact on hiphop, downplay the amount of work he's done etc etc.... then the very next post about kanye your there arguing the same points.

so if i'm a stan and your are actively involved in the same kanye discussions as me... think kanye has a lil more impact on you than you would like to believe.

Let the hurt goooo and flow along wit mines breh :pimp:
 
Same ol Kanye thread with the same posts. :lol:


I like the way Jay handled it. Some of these other rappers can learn that.
 
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I actually spun MCHG and Yeezus yesterday for the first time in a while. I was expecting MCHG to be fairly stale and was surprised by how well it holds up, save for 3 or 4 tracks towards the end. On the other hand, I could only listen to 3 or 4 tracks on the entirety of Yeezus. Till this day, I STILL have never heard a single song off the album played in the streets coming from someone's car or radio.

As for the topic at hand, saying that Jay is riding Ye's coattails really marginalizes how big Jay's core fan base is. He doesn't need Ye at all but I'm sure he's not adverse to learning and growing as an artist even at this stage in his career. Let's look at performing for instance. What Ye brings to the table in theatrics, Jay brings in mic presence and command. So you can't look at it and say, "oh Jay's riding Ye's coattails" and act like Jay has contributed nothing. Same goes for whoever they decide to collaborate with. Jay helped rap get to the point where collabs with groups like Coldplay and Daft Punk are acceptable by having such a broad presence in the musical landscape for so long that other genres took note. So its kind of backwards to want to limit who Jay can work with by virtue of him being an elder statesman in the game or by who worked with them first. Most of the acts knew who Jay-Z was before Kanye west ever dropped an album.
 
niquefreak94 said:
Jay stays relevant by attaching himself to what's relevant and being current. That's not inherently bad and I personally don't care.

But he's always done that after a certain point in his career. I don't see the big deal.
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This is true.

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Now, lets stop all the stanning in here and call it like it is, NT fam.
 
maybe he should make more tracks like Holy Grail then, since that's what is only relevant to Jay these days. rap about the downfalls of fame and how it isn't what it's cracked up to be.
 
tyisny said:
Man til this day i'm still upset a video for Oceans wasn't created... but knowing the thought of cats these days people would prolly be like here goes jay rappin bout his yacht again
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When Oceans came on on my MCHG replay it really took me by surprise how it sounded even better than when the album dropped. Really really good song. I lowkey think Jay and Ye set a great blueprint for what I'd like to hear on WTT 2. An album that sounds like Oceans, Murder to Excellence, Blood On The Leaves, would be powerful coming from those two.
 
RavageBX said:
When Oceans came on on my MCHG replay it really took me by surprise how it sounded even better than when the album dropped. Really really good song. I lowkey think Jay and Ye set a great blueprint for what I'd like to hear on WTT 2. An album that sounds like Oceans, Murder to Excellence, Blood On The Leaves, would be powerful coming from those two.
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I would love that also but at the end of the day we could only hope. what I am glad is that they aren't rushing to put it out and Ye is getting his fashion/Yeezus/concerts off before working on the album.

If these two hone in a lil more on the best tracks of their album i think it would be better than WTT which i hold very high in regards.
 

The interview that sparked it.

Questions.

Does Jay need Ye' right now?  Yes

Did Ye' put extra years on the back end of Hov's career? Definitely Yes

Did Ye' make HOV? No

Was Magna poppin w/o Ye? Yes

Would HOV top 5 DOA w/o Ye? Yes

Can you compare Yeezus to Magna? Hell No
 
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LOBCITY said:
The interview that sparked it.




Questions.
Does Jay need Ye' right now?  Yes
Did Ye' put extra years on the back end of Hov's career? Definitely Yes
Did Ye' make HOV? No
Was Magna poppin w/o Ye? Yes
Would HOV top 5 DOA w/o Ye? Yes
Can you compare Yeezus to Magna? Hell No
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I disagree that Jay needs 'Ye RIGHT NOW.... it seems to me he got a lot more goin' on other than music. Everything you said makes a LOT of sense.
 
LOBCITY said:
 

The interview that sparked it.

Questions.

Does Jay need Ye' right now?  Yes

Did Ye' put extra years on the back end of Hov's career? Definitely Yes

Did Ye' make HOV? No

Was Magna poppin w/o Ye? Yes

Would HOV top 5 DOA w/o Ye? Yes

Can you compare Yeezus to Magna? Hell No
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Agree on everything except Jay needing Ye right now.

They hardly interact publicly. Since the WTT Tour, I haven't really associated one with the other, until that Throne set at SXSW the other day.

Kanye isn't getting Jay into any demographics he's not already in. To out of touch old people who know absolutely nothing about rap or urban culture, they could tell you who Jay Z is.

So Jay is not currently riding Ye's coattails.

That being said, Ye has definitely contributed a lot to Jay's overall career. Especially the back end.
 
Meek Meals said:
 
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Kanye isn't getting Jay into any demographics he's not already in. To out of touch old people who know absolutely nothing about rap or urban culture, they could tell you who Jay Z is.​
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Eh, the young hypebeast, follow anything Ye does crowd has to now be acknowledged as a demographic lol. It's marginal in the grand scheme of things though. Those types like stuff one day and something else the next.
That being said, Ye has definitely contributed a lot to Jay's overall career. Especially the back end.
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Most definitely.
 
yea Ye has contributed a lot to Jay career, but i feel Jay has done just as much for Ye...and i feel Ye would say the same thing

you can't look at it onesided... When Blueprint came out Jay could have got anybody from Bink to Rza to Amadeus to No ID or more Just Blaze tracks

Ye was out before Blueprint 1 but the Blueprint 1 solidified Ye imo, made me and nerds who like to search the credits actually want to know who produced those tracks - they needed each other
 
"I told Jay I did a song with coldplay
Next thing I know he got a song with coldplay"
 
I've always seen dudes listening to Magna Carta more than Yeezus. Me? I'd prefer Yeezus over MCHG any day. 'Hold My Liquor' is still probably the best song I heard all last year. Still, I def enjoy Magna Carta, especially the production on it.
 
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