Nick Cannon goes White Face for an album...thoughts?

As a white man I'm not really offended just because its corny *** Nick Cannon lol.

He didn't have to go white face for his rap(is that the genre he's going for?) music to be considered "white people music" as he calls it because it was already that.
 
I'm white and the fact that people are legitametely outraged over this is comedy to me.

If you got good credit as a stereotype then loosen up and take a joke, hell the whole white face thing is funny to me.
 
:lol: Yo is white people kissing their dogs really a white stereotype? Man, that's gross.

Anyone upset about this is too way too sensitive. When it comes to racial stereotypes, there's a difference between jokes and cruel intent. This, obviously falls into the jokes category.
 
I think the tension in this thread is a result of the fact that when jokes like this are made about black people here on NT all you here is, "you're being too sensitive", "you're pulling the race card", "everything is not about race". Denial an marginalization of other peoples feelings are like the status quo around here. No one ever comes in and starts beating the equality drum as loud and as often as it's being done in here. After awhile it appears there is a pattern of bias here on the board even it is not the same posters responsible. It's frustrating.
 
lol. the guy said that this thread isnt the right place to bring up Black face..

I guess my previous post about Nick Cannon winning cuz be secured a Mariah is more appropriate for this thread.

p.s. Brahs, whenever I get all up in arms about racist stuff, I just go and watch Django Unchained. Feel good movie of the year!
 
:lol: Shoulda known what this thread was gonna turn into from the jump. Race and NT don't mix.




FrankMatthews said:
FrankLucas said:
no one is going to the movies to learn about history, b
are you serious right now?
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No one is going anywhere to learn about history these days, thats the point. It'd be different if every public school in america had comprehensive coverage of the egyptian empire and all the little school kids already knew the facts behind this historical society. They don't, and they likely will have little exposure, certainly not as entertaining or attention getting exposure, to the real history and contributions of Africans in our society as they will through movies and entertainment. This movie was an opportunity to paint black Africans in a very positive light on a grand scale and highlight the contributions egyptians have made to society. Yet they choose mostly white actors to portray this greatness.

I can't help but thinking, and maybe this is a reach, but if there were more depictions of black people in a positive light, not just this particular movie. But across all movies and entertainment. Maybe you wouldn't have white girls on college campuses referring to black people as monkeys or have anxiety stricken hispanics patrolling their neighborhoods with blood in their eye at the first sight of dark skin.


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yeah because people are really going to see this for history and not blockbuster action :lol:
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Every movie teaches you something, whether you realize it or not. Whether it was your intention to learn something at the theater or not is irrelevant. As if these couch potatoes are gonna spend a second otherwise researching ad*****d African civilizations.
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This post is on point though.
 
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This is an Egyptian actor, so they should use someone like him correct?
 
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There is a reason why white people doing blackface is criticized and does not get a pass. It is all due to context and connotations of it all because of history. During a time in history, there was slavery, blacks were seen as second class citizens, they were oppressed, persecuted and ostracized for centuries. Blackface was another oppressive and demeaning portrayal of blacks. To this day, blacks are STILL discriminated based on the color of their skin and experience racism on a bigger scale than their white counterparts. Negative stereotypes and "blackface" today done in satire or as a prejudice act still reinforce that persecuting nature of what blacks experienced under white dominant rule throughout history and in the present. Doing so called "whiteface" does not have that same context in history or even today . The histories and today's experiences between both races cannot even be compared. Whereas "blackface" might bring back the whole context of the history of blacks in the U.S., and even the deep prejudices they still face today, I doubt a white person seeing someone painting their face white and doing white stereotypes experience the same dehumanized feeling or prejudice. All about context. 
 
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No level or severity of stereotyping should get a pass. We either allow all of it, or none of it.
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I didn't say it should get a pass. I am saying why it does not when it comes to blackface. There is no such thing as whiteface. This term just got branded because of the word blackface. In the end, it is all to demean another race. But, I think some should be more understanding of why feathers get ruffled if blackface is done.  

Now only reason why some are up in arms about Nick Cannon is because blacks were offended and rightly did an outcry about blackface. No one cared when Chappelle and Wayans painting their faces white. Of course they weren't offended. It is in a whole different context and connotation, especially putting history into context. Blacks were offended by blackface because of what it was used for and its historical use. 
 
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LIONBLOOD said:
Me Love Nutella said:
 
There is a reason why white people doing blackface is criticized and does not get a pass. It is all due to context and connotations of it all because of history. During a time in history, there was slavery, blacks were seen as second class citizens, they were oppressed, persecuted and ostracized for centuries. Blackface was another oppressive and demeaning portrayal of blacks. To this day, blacks are STILL discriminated based on the color of their skin and experience racism on a bigger scale than their white counterparts. Negative stereotypes and "blackface" today done in satire or as a prejudice act still reinforce that persecuting nature of what blacks experienced under white dominant rule throughout history and in the present. Doing so called "whiteface" does not have that same context in history or even today . The histories and today's experiences between both races cannot even be compared. Whereas "blackface" might bring back the whole context of the history of blacks in the U.S., and even the deep prejudices they still face today, I doubt a white person seeing someone painting their face white and doing white stereotypes experience the same dehumanized feeling or prejudice. All about context. 
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No level or severity of stereotyping should get a pass. We either allow all of it, or none of it.
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Jesus Christ Anton, you of all people should know nothing is purely black or white or this or that. It's been repeated and exponential amount of times in here, and quite thoroughly .
 
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lol I guess, Nick Cannon doing it does make it more offensive on many levels.  I think people are more offended by the hypocrisy behind it, than the actual act of white face. I think their offense to this is valid. I never asked why black people are offended about black face, I'm just saying stereotypes against white are also offensive. People keep bringing up black face in an attempt to dismiss the fact that this is blatant hypocrisy.
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I think people are trying to make an outcry about so called "whiteface" is because they were pissed there was backlash about blackface and that they wouldn't get a pass to do it or laugh about it. Now all of a sudden there is an outcry when back when in movies and in comedies painting faces white and doing negative stereotypes was even laughed at by white people watching these shows and not even a thought crossed it was offensive. 

There is a reason why blackface stings and there is an outcry for it. Slavery, lynchings, killings, persecution, oppression and persecution of blacks throughout history and its remnants still simmering today all bring a VERY different context. Their looks and features were made fun of in blackface to dehumanize them. I know you understand that. To this day, based on the color of their skin and just being black still ostracizes them from getting certain jobs, or staying in a lower social strata, mistreated or being racially profiled and wrongly jailed. So still being a victim and being opressed due to your skin color by the dominant majority will obviously ruffle feathers when that dominant majority implements negative stereotypes or does blackface. 

If there was never an outcry that ever existed for blackface, no one would be saying a peep about Nick Cannon doing this. Ya, that it is stupid, but not to the level I am seeing comparing it to blackface. 
 
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You're right, this isn't rocket science, which is why I don't see why you haven't been understanding anything. Sure, it would be nice if things were simply right and wrong, but that's just not how it is, regardless of how unfortunate that is. You've talked about people needing not to dismiss anything, well, that's basically what you have done with this subject repeatedly. There's a difference between recognizing right and wrong, and overlooking any possible that goes with it. If people got that, then this thread wouldn't be 20 pages, and people out in the world would clash so much on this subject and others.
 
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Yea there's a reason why blackface stings, people keep bringing up the same mute point over and over again. However if someone says white caricatures and stereotyping is offensive who are you to tell them their feelings toward it aren't valid. Fighting for your right to offend other groups, it isn't just white people. I've heard black people say racists sh...about Asians, Middle Eastern, etc. This mentality that only your group can be offended is very pervasive amongst many cultures. That is the mentality I'm challenging people to break. It's either you allow it all or don't allow it at all. You don't get to cherry pick.
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I agree with you on your general point.

However, tell me did you hear anyone mention this "whiteface" or get offended by White Chicks or Dave Chappelle painting his face white? 

So why is there an outcry about it now then???? 
 
No level or severity of stereotyping should get a pass. We either allow all of it, or none of it.
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Another example of some,not all white people(you may not even be white,who knows just using what you said) trying to make up the rules because the rules which we know most of the times benefit a certain population more than other's,racially,economically,class wise,ect don't fit into what you want or see as being fair and then it turns into it's either all or nothing at all.No my friend slowly those days are coming to an end where you have the right or at least you feel like you do to dibble,dabble in all aspects of what could,should and is fair in your world.Taking the racial part out of it It's really now an American problem where Americans think opinion's rise above and resonates over truth.

Nick Canon did it and is it a big deal?no of course not because there is no terrible history behind it mocking white people "Ha-ha-ha a black man making fun of us white people but he's still black" it's the attitude.But is it fair?no it's not but if everyone pointed out something that isn't fair it would consume and swallow this country up.Before some of you get upset over what Nick Canon is doing watch your local news and get upset over what is going on in your own neck of the woods with our governments and what's going on the other side of the world.

Travon is dead while in other news Zimmerman is still $%^#*$# up but life isn't fair,I didn't create the rules I just try to bend them when I can while living by them.
 
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Thecoldest343 said:
Another example of some,not all white people(you may not even be white,who knows just using what you said) trying to make up the rules because the rules which we know most of the times benefit a certain population more than other's,racially,economically,class wise,ect don't fit into what you want or see as being fair and then it turns into it's either all or nothing at all.No my friend slowly those days are coming to an end where you have the right or at least you feel like you do to dibble,dabble in all aspects of what could,should and is fair in your world.Taking the racial part out of it It's really now an American problem where Americans think opinion's rise above and resonates over truth.

Nick Canon did it and is it a big deal?no of course not because there is no terrible history behind it mocking white people "Ha-ha-ha a black man making fun of us white people but he's still black" it's the attitude.But is it fair?no it's not but if everyone pointed out something that isn't fair it would consume and swallow this country up.Before some of you get upset over what Nick Canon is doing watch your local news and get upset over what is going on in your own neck of the woods with our governments and what's going on the other side of the world.

Travon is dead while in other news Zimmerman is still $%^#*$# up but life isn't fair,I didn't create the rules I just try to bend them when I can while living by them.
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Don't stereotype ANYONE. What a terrible idea.
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Why are you even still responding? Especially to posts like that one. **** wasn't even close to being coherent.
 
LIONBLOOD said:
Thecoldest343 said:
Another example of some,not all white people(you may not even be white,who knows just using what you said) trying to make up the rules because the rules which we know most of the times benefit a certain population more than other's,racially,economically,class wise,ect don't fit into what you want or see as being fair and then it turns into it's either all or nothing at all.No my friend slowly those days are coming to an end where you have the right or at least you feel like you do to dibble,dabble in all aspects of what could,should and is fair in your world.Taking the racial part out of it It's really now an American problem where Americans think opinion's rise above and resonates over truth.

Nick Canon did it and is it a big deal?no of course not because there is no terrible history behind it mocking white people "Ha-ha-ha a black man making fun of us white people but he's still black" it's the attitude.But is it fair?no it's not but if everyone pointed out something that isn't fair it would consume and swallow this country up.Before some of you get upset over what Nick Canon is doing watch your local news and get upset over what is going on in your own neck of the woods with our governments and what's going on the other side of the world.

Travon is dead while in other news Zimmerman is still $%^#*$# up but life isn't fair,I didn't create the rules I just try to bend them when I can while living by them.
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Don't stereotype ANYONE. What a terrible idea. :smh:
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Well then I want to see you in other threads where a minority is being stereotyped and I want to see you argue for them page after page.

Because it's just so wrong to see what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. Now you want to be like "I dont want to play this game anymore"
 
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