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Guess Cam'Ron was right from day 1.
The Documentary Jay-Z Doesn't Want You To See
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Not a huge Jay fan, but he catches a lot more "hate" than he should.
At the end of the day, Jay is still a rapper, a very successful rapper, but still. I don't expect him to be extremely socially aware. Ppl act like he should be the Malcolm X of our generation, but that's just not who he is and that's fine.
At the end of the day, Jay is still a rapper, a very successful rapper, but still. I don't expect him to be extremely socially aware. Ppl act like he should be the Malcolm X of our generation, but that's just not who he is and that's fine.
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I always thought it was to go against everything you stand for.
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I like how Cam gets a pass in here.
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bruh this is NT, they think paid in full is the greatest movie ever made.
yea he use to talk real slick about jay in numerous interviews back in the day but now he gives props and shows his respect.
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You know what, at the end of the day I feel that people are expecting too much out of Jay Z.
We look at how successful he's become in multiple avenues, and get confused. He's a rapper. That's it. He isn't a politician. He isn't some type of social activist. He honestly doesn't have any responsibility other than to...well rap and make money
People aren't happy with where they are in life, and need someone to blame. It's easy to blame the most popular "pop" star especially because he came from the same area that you came from.
In general, I just hate when we take entertainers, and put them in a light that isn't really worthy. The only thing anyone should care for when it comes to Jay Z is his music. When you expect entertainers to do more than entertain, that's when issues occur.
If there are issues in your community that need fixing, don't look at the rapper to fix them no matter how big of an entertainer he (or she) is.
We look at how successful he's become in multiple avenues, and get confused. He's a rapper. That's it. He isn't a politician. He isn't some type of social activist. He honestly doesn't have any responsibility other than to...well rap and make money
People aren't happy with where they are in life, and need someone to blame. It's easy to blame the most popular "pop" star especially because he came from the same area that you came from.
In general, I just hate when we take entertainers, and put them in a light that isn't really worthy. The only thing anyone should care for when it comes to Jay Z is his music. When you expect entertainers to do more than entertain, that's when issues occur.
If there are issues in your community that need fixing, don't look at the rapper to fix them
no matter how big of an entertainer he (or she) is.
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This is a serious problem with young people. They dont know the meaning of sleeing out because they all want to sell out
Selling out is when you drop people or something that stood by you to make millions pretty much becoming a corporate shill for cash and sponsorship. It used to be a terrible thing, not its a badge of honor(which I aint made at though)
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I'm Cam fan too, but he's also a fairly successful entertainer, businessman and former (maybe present?) drug dealer. Yet none of these clowns that feel Jay should fall back to their level mention it, they quote him without thinking.
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You know what, at the end of the day I feel that people are expecting too much out of Jay Z.
We look at how successful he's become in multiple avenues, and get confused. He's a rapper. That's it. He isn't a politician. He isn't some type of social activist. He honestly doesn't have any responsibility other than to...well rap and make money
People aren't happy with where they are in life, and need someone to blame. It's easy to blame the most popular "pop" star especially because he came from the same area that you came from.
In general, I just hate when we take entertainers, and put them in a light that isn't really worthy. The only thing anyone should care for when it comes to Jay Z is his music. When you expect entertainers to do more than entertain, that's when issues occur.
If there are issues in your community that need fixing, don't look at the rapper to fix them
Basically what I thought as well.
People projecting their expectations/standards/morals on to him and disappointed when he doesn't deliver.
Although my understanding is that Jay let his guys eat but to a certain extent he never wanted them to eat too well/approach his level of stardom or status. Why do you guys think he treated Kanye differently? I would think he saw Ye as his biggest threat from that standpoint. Was it because around the same time he was with Beyonce and that alone took him to another level? If that didn't happen, would Jay have treated Kanye like the rest?
Someone enlighten me if not even close
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he treats ye different because ye didnt complain about what the label wouldnt do for him or how he was being held back, he took his own money made and released his own music to the point they had no choice but to focus their attention on him, meanwhile with the other artist it was........Basically what I thought as well.
People projecting their expectations/standards/morals on to him and disappointed when he doesn't deliver.
Although my understanding is that Jay let his guys eat but to a certain extent he never wanted them to eat too well/approach his level of stardom or status. Why do you guys think he treated Kanye differently? I would think he saw Ye as his biggest threat from that standpoint. Was it because around the same time he was with Beyonce and that alone took him to another level? If that didn't happen, would Jay have treated Kanye like the rest?
Someone enlighten me if not even close
Jay-Z this, Jay-Z that (Jay-Z won't hold my hand no more)
Jay-Z this, Jay-Z that
Jay-Z that, Jay-Z this (Jay-Z won't give me no money)
Get off Jay-Z ****
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Basically what I thought as well.
People projecting their expectations/standards/morals on to him and disappointed when he doesn't deliver.
Although my understanding is that Jay let his guys eat but to a certain extent he never wanted them to eat too well/approach his level of stardom or status. Why do you guys think he treated Kanye differently? I would think he saw Ye as his biggest threat from that standpoint. Was it because around the same time he was with Beyonce and that alone took him to another level? If that didn't happen, would Jay have treated Kanye like the rest?
Someone enlighten me if not even close
Well, for one who knows whether or not Jay Z "only let his guys eat to a certain extent." Stuff like that is straight up folklore to me man
like how do we even know that's how he treated his friends?And as for Ye, I just feel like Jay Z is a person who by most accounts is a pretty smart guy. He just recognized that Ye was someone who could extend his career, and be someone whom he could profit off of. Therefore, it benefitted him to embrace Ye as much as possible because as Ye win, J**** not only wins, but stays in the minds of the people because people will now associate Ye with J**** and vice versa. That in large part is why the watch the throne album came out.
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Well, for one who knows whether or not Jay Z "only let his guys eat to a certain extent." Stuff like that is straight up folklore to me man
And as for Ye, I just feel like Jay Z is a person who by most accounts is a pretty smart guy. He just recognized that Ye was someone who could extend his career, and be someone whom he could profit off of. Therefore, it benefitted him to embrace Ye as much as possible because as Ye win, J**** not only wins, but stays in the minds of the people because people will now associate Ye with J**** and vice versa. That in large part is why the watch the throne album came out.
Ya makes sense, I don't know either, thats just the vibe i get from the trailers and other back stories.
Given that, my main take away is that he provided those guys the platform, they just didn't capitalize on it like someone like Kanye did.
And good point in terms of his longevity if associated with Kanye, I agree with that 100%, he ain't no dummy
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Basically what I thought as well.
People projecting their expectations/standards/morals on to him and disappointed when he doesn't deliver.
Although my understanding is that Jay let his guys eat but to a certain extent he never wanted them to eat too well/approach his level of stardom or status. Why do you guys think he treated Kanye differently? I would think he saw Ye as his biggest threat from that standpoint. Was it because around the same time he was with Beyonce and that alone took him to another level? If that didn't happen, would Jay have treated Kanye like the rest?
Someone enlighten me if not even close
I agree with this.
So many people get on jay-z and other celeberties for not being politically conscious or overly involved in the community yet they wouldn't step foot in a homeless shelter to help serve food or volunteer their time helping coach a kids basketball team or involve themselves in community programs.
I could respect a dude like belafonte's opinion because he was actually on the front line and going out of his way to make a difference but that shouldn't be demanded and expected from entertainers.
We all know Michael Jordan is a scumbag. I personally could care less, I like him for his basektball accomplishments and his shoes when they were good quality, I could care less what type of person he is as long as he isn't doing anything wrong to me personally.
Stop looking to celebrities and entertainers to be philanthropists. If they do then great but people should be expecting this from community leaders and political figures who have a responsibility to the communities they serve, not entertainers.
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its cleary been noted that Kanye choose to stay with Hov... He had a choice.
http://www.mtv.com/bands/w/west_kanye/news_feature_081805/
http://www.mtv.com/bands/w/west_kanye/news_feature_081805/
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Didn't he do a benefit concert and donate $1 off every Blueprint album for 9/11, give gifts to all the kids in Marcy and or Brooklyn, and helped out some type of way after the Columbine shooting too? Give dude a break he ain't perfect and could do more. But at least he did something rather then nothing.
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