The Problem of Mass Incarceration in the USA

Not only that but do any of you guys been inside it's sick, inmates love jail the way of life in their is sick, it's all about beig the baddest guy and your rep in the prison..and I do think it's unfair for a felon to be hexed from society but it's a choice no matter how ya slice it of commiting a crime and being a criminal is a choice...society makes you a criminal is bull you took the option to make "fast money" and not work hard like everyone else but he a statistic which is sad
 
Another problem with the prison system in the U.S. is: punishment rather than rehabilitate prisoners helping them to become more productive in a positive way in society. I don't wanna get too caught up in this discussion tho
 
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Video stated the obvious but didn't propose any solutions. 
 
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[h1]Obama Is a Co-Conspirator[/h1]
This is where this conspiracy gets very interesting. President Obama is making money off of incarcerating American citizens in an unholy system which utilizes slave and child labor.

Vanguard Windsor II Investment Fund owns CCA. However, CCA is a minute part of the Vanguard Windsor II Funds. Vanguard Windsor is also invested in corporate giants like JP Morgan, IBM Pfizer and Conoco. This accounts for the Wall Street backing of privatized prisons and the subsequent lobbying for longer and stricter prison sentences which fuels this growth industry.
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This is the same Vanguard that moved money prior to the Gulf Oil Explosion in a manner which made massive sums of money for key investors in the same manner as did Transocean, Goldman Sachs and Halliburton. And one of those insiders that benefitted from the Gulf Oil Explosion was President Obama as he was vested in Vanguard I and Vanguard II. The late  Bob Chapman  reported on this Obama conflict of interest as did I in an  earlier article.   Obama’s corruption is not limited to his investors having and acting on foreknowledge of the Gulf Oil Explosion, he is an active investor in the slave labor motivated Prison Industrial Complex.
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This makes the privatized prison industry a Wall Street backed growth opportunity backed by the office of the President.

America has found an antidote to the loss of manufacturing through the various free trade agreements (i.e. NAFTA, CAFTA). Unfortunately, prison slave labor is the solution. The Left Business Observer  identifies private corporate interests benefiting from prison slave labor which includes the manufacturing of “93% of all paints and paintbrushes; 92% of stove assembly; 46% of body armor; 36% of home appliances; 30% of headphones/microphones/speakers; and 21% of office furniture.”  

This is slave labor for private profit.

The present privatized prison system operates on the principle of repeat customers. The average person is sentenced from 5-7 years in prison. There is no rehabilitation, only the prison life which produces a more hardened criminal. When the convict is released, they find it virtually impossible to get a job because of their ex-con label. Within three years of release from prison, 70% of all prisoners return. Can you imagine if every restaurant had a 70% return rate from its customers?

According to the Pew Center in their study The Long Reach of American Corrections  (March 2009), it costs nearly $79 per day to house an inmate which is 20 times the cost of putting someone on probation. Would it not make sense to sentence nonviolent offenders to probation and save the taxpayers’ money? Of course it would, unless you are Vanguard Investments, the largest owner of privatized citizens in the form of the Correctional Corporation of America (CCA), GEO (2nd largest private prison company), Wackenhut, Viacom, AOL Time Warner and they are all controlled by the Vanguard family of funds. This is where we come back to Vanguard as the President made $85 million dollars on the Gulf Oil Spill because of Vanguard’s actions.

America has found an antidote to the loss of manufacturing through the various free trade agreements (i.e. NAFTA, CAFTA). Unfortunately, prison slave labor is the solution!
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seandon23 said:
Another problem with the prison system in the U.S. is: punishment rather than rehabilitate prisoners helping them to become more productive in a positive way in society. I don't wanna get too caught up in this discussion tho
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I don't believe in rehabilitating rapist or murderers.
 
tay1 said:
I don't believe in rehabilitating rapist or murderers.
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What if it's a crime of passion? 

or

1) Dude catches wife in bed with another man and deads him on the spot

2) Fisticuffs that result in a fatality

3) Vehicular homicide

You don't believe those types of offenders can be helped? We're not talking about Ted Bundy here.

That's why there are different degrees of homicide in state law.
 
I didn't read the articles
I didn't watch the video
And I didn't look at the charts
(I do plan on after posting this, and I will update accordingly)

But I will say this. If you don't wanna go to jail, don't do illegal ****. Simple as that
 
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AyZee said:
What if it's a crime of passion? 


or

1) Dude catches wife in bed with another man and deads him on the spot
2) Fisticuffs that result in a fatality
3) Vehicular homicide

You don't believe those types of offenders can be helped? We're not talking about Ted Bundy here.

That's why there are different degrees of homicide in state law.
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The only good reason there is to take another man/woman/child's life(aside from self defense) is if it's over a significant other. That's the only free pass you get

If you catch your queen in bed with a man. That's a double homicide right there. And I feel that you shouldn't be arrested for that
 
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FlyNY said:
But I will say this. If you don't wanna go to jail, don't do illegal ****. Simple as that
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Nah b...it ain't.

http://www.themip.org/knowthecases/darrylburton

After being robbed of 24 years of his life by the judicial system, he recently was exonerated of the crimes for which he was wrongly convicted.

"I'm not bitter, I'm better," 

-- Darryl Burton.

Met dude, he said I looked liked a kid that gave him trouble when he first got in...I almost **** my pants...then he laughed it off and said he was proud of me.
 
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JaysRcrak said:
The real reason that blacks are disproportionately locked up over other races is because many blacks incarcerate themselves inside mental prisons.
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I used to believe this kind of stuff, but then I thought about it and realized something. While black communities may self-inflict much of the harm that goes on within them, the way that black people think (or don't think) actually has very little to do with how we are punished within the system and how our crimes are often met with harsher sentences than those of other ethnicities.

Blacks being trapped in a "mental prison" has very little to do with us actually going to prison, because in spite of a "mental" difference between whites and blacks, we actually commit relatively the same amount of crime.

It doesn't matter if you're a free thinker or a follower. If more police are in your neighborhood more often you are simply more likely to be arrested for something. And, like police in Oakland, New York, Vermont, Minneapolis, Florida...etc have proven time and time before, you don't have to actually be caught doing anything illegal to be put in jail/prison and charged with committing a crime you didn't commit.

At least, if you're poor.

I mean...look at this http://niketalk.com/t/589013/rich-p...-farewell-in-jail-really-murica#post_20258949
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am1x90xnike said:
So much privilege tucked away in this statement.
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Care to elaborate?

I'm just trying to be objective. Of course if it came down to my friends, or family I'd be subjective about it. That's the point of a "system". People agree on a standard of society objectively and then have to adhere to it regardless of how it subjectively affects them down the road.

I just don't believe murders (except crimes of passion), and rapists deserve to be back in society. Catching a guy in bed with your wife/girl and killing is okay by me and that person can be rehabilitated....but not planning a house robbery and shooting the innocent people that live in the house to steal what they have. One feels morally okay to me, and the other feels morally reprehensible.

Maybe I just value life less than others. Living abroad and traveling the world has shown me the poor conditions that people live in. However, still, MOST of them don't resort to reprehensible well beyond the moral line type of criminal acts. For those that do, I don't have want to try and help them "recover". I'd rather use resources to try and elevate the masses of socioeconomic poor, rather than spending those same dollars on rehabbing beyond help (imo) criminals.

If there is 20,000,000 dollars I'd rather see that money used as a scholarship for low income kids from the projects to go to college rather than that 20,000,000 spent on rehabbing/lodging/food/etc for rapists and murders. I feel that the money is better spent and society as a whole will benefit more.
 
To say that 'everyone has a fair chance' and ' at some point it's the individual not society'
shows you live a very privileged life.

There are kids born in jail to mothers who will never get out, no way he started with the same chance as a kid with two parents from the burbs. There are also a lot of innocent people in jail, as I posted earlier. Yes, people pull themselves up, but as someone that is trying my hardest to do that, I can tell you it's hard as hell. Life is really difficult, especially when you got to go at it alone, a paycheck is two weeks away, you have to eat everyday.
 
In an attempt to be solutions oriented i am all for the end of the "war on drugs". But allow for profit prisons. But pump the money back into the prisons for rehabilitation purposes. Get shrinks into the prisons allow all prisons to have college degree programs. Educate everyone and get them help so when they are released back into society they can be better citizens.
 
Went to a college presentation with Spike Lee as the guest speaker a few years back. He talked about all of this and how the privatization of prisons is become big business and basically human farming for those super elite aristocrats who own them. He spoke some heavy knowledge on it.

It's real and it seems like their really is no stopping it or them.
 
Don Dela Vega said:
Went to a college presentation with Spike Lee as the guest speaker a few years back. He talked about all of this and how the privatization of prisons is become big business and basically human farming for those super elite aristocrats who own them. He spoke some heavy knowledge on it.

It's real and it seems like their really is no stopping it or them.
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its just scary when you think about it.

If you were rich why wouldn't you open a prison? They are over crowded as is so you know you can fill yours...and its a free work force. Prison isn't getting enough inmates? Get some transferred in from over crowded prisons or "influence" politicians/police to "obtain" you more :smh:
 
am1x90xnike said:
To say that 'everyone has a fair chance' and ' at some point it's the individual not society'
shows you live a very privileged life.

There are kids born in jail to mothers who will never get out, no way he started with the same chance as a kid with two parents from the burbs. There are also a lot of innocent people in jail, as I posted earlier. Yes, people pull themselves up, but as someone that is trying my hardest to do that, I can tell you it's hard as hell. Life is really difficult, especially when you got to go at it alone, a paycheck is two weeks away, you have to eat everyday.
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I actually didn't say everyone has a fair chance (i assume you are referring to what I said). I actually believe the opposite - that very few people get an equal chance as a starting point. It's why I believe education is so important. It's the great equalizer. Knowledge truly is power.

Of course a kid born to a mother in jail has less of a "fair chance" than a kid born in the burbs. Life isn't fair. However, life has never been fair and likely won't be completely fair anytime in the near future. While this reality exists, I'd rather see rapists and cold blooded murderers put to their death. It's just my view. I don't think it's fair, or even necessarily right. However, to me, it's the best way to fix a broken system. Instead of spending money on people I believe beyond help I want money to be spent on young people to help them get better educated.

Are you saying that given the choice to send 10 deserving low income kids to college or to feed, house, and support a rapist you would pick keeping the murderer alive? For me, it's an easy choice. People die all the time. Sometimes it's "fair" but more often than not it isn't "fair".

If people can kill other people in the name of defending their country, I feel the same principle can be applied to the defending the core principles and safety of our country domestically.

I can empathize with someone that is just trying to eat and may rob someone. That person deserves another chance. However, if you cross the moral line of killing for it or raping then you are dead to me.

And yes, I did have a privileged life. Doesn't mean my opinion is invalid. I don't necessarily think that the person who comes from tough circumstances is necessarily the best person to be finding objective viable answers to the prison problem. It has to be more emotionless.

I respect your struggle btw. This is nothing personal - just my 'privileged' viewpoint on how to start solving this problem. I'd love to hear how you think the problem could be better solved for a large country like the US?
 
FlyNY said:
I didn't read the articles
I didn't watch the video
And I didn't look at the charts
(I do plan on after posting this, and I will update accordingly)

But I will say this. If you don't wanna go to jail, don't do illegal ****. Simple as that
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because everyone in jail is guilty huh?
 
My bad, you right, you said everyone is given a great opportunity...which is false, not everyone is given a great opportunity; white kid from now where ks whose daddy beats her and brother rapes her...she ain't given no opportunity. Most kids in the hood wouldn't be given any opportunity if it wasn't for society stepping in and doing something. My man Mitt once said 'why don't they just ask their parents for money' which would be cool..if these kids knew their parents.

As far as rapists and murders having to die, in the current system there are people who are legit innocent. Also murders can be reformed, while they are in there whatever happens happens, but to say kill them, eh I don't have a problem with.

My solution is simple, end the war on drugs, single biggest drain on resources this country has ever seen.

I wouldn't expect you to truly understand what it's like to be hopeless, you've probably never been, this isn't a guilt trip but a reality check, the mentality of a lot of these kids is 'dead or jail by 22'...and statistically that ish is pretty accurate.

'We dont do crime for the sake of doing crime, we moving dimes cuz we aint doing fine, One out of three of us is locked up doing time, you know what that type of **** will do to a ***** mind?' -Jay Z.

seriously, listen to this song

 
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FlyNY said:
I didn't read the articles
I didn't watch the video
And I didn't look at the charts
(I do plan on after posting this, and I will update accordingly)

But I will say this. If you don't wanna go to jail, don't do illegal ****. Simple as that
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When you put this within the context of the fact that the United States has the highest prison population per capita in the world and the fact that the majority of theses prisoners are non-violent drug offenders, this is a horribly complacent attitude to have.
 
Brolic Scholar said:
What's the problem though? Things are going as planned IN the constitution.

The 13th amendment is all that you need to know my dude. Slavery abolished EXCEPT...

It's a business not a rehab.
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Came to say something similar but I would have butchered it and the post would have lost its meaning. Props. 
 
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