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Probation violation. Could be walking out by 9am if the judge isn't a ****. We'll see.
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Yeah man. It'll be straight. They want me going all over town for my probation but then they don't want me to have a license so I can't go to the damn classes. Now I can get my license back but have a warrant so I can't get my license until I get rid of my warrant. **** is a stupid cycle. Oh well I'm gonna walk out of jail get picked up and go straight to the DMV.
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Yeeup. They wanted me in full blown treatment and I told them straight up I can't do 20 hours a week. They didn't care. I quit drinking a grip ago for personal reasons. I'm just gonna tell them to slap an alcohol bracelet onme and let me go please. I don't have time for all that.
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20 HOURS!?! They tripping bro. Straight up man. Not even in AZ (regarded by many as one of the harshest states to get a DUI in) do they give that many hours a week (usually like 3 hours).
I mean AZ got mandatory prison time but 20 hours a week of counseling is OD man. And I bet they make you pay for counseling too. Substance abuse counseling one of the biggest scams in the prison industrial system.
Did you have an attorney?
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My good friend had a breathalyzer attached to car's computer. Won't start unless he blows a 0.00
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Nah dude. I talked to one. He knew the prosecutor and told me don't even waste my money because he doesn't budge for anyone. Lawyer or not he was giving us all the same ****. Which he did. They was like 5 people in there before me all got the same for 1st time duis. It's whatever though I get to talk to the judge and hopefully get it dropped down to a few classes. If that doesn't go I'll ask for the bracelet. If I need to spend a few nights in the workhouse I'm not gonna cry about it but hopefully it doesn't come to that. All they want is money. Not people in county.
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A lot of good points already made in this thread.
The only thing I want to say is that the whole higher education talk is just something else added to the discussion that gets tossed out there most times without people actually realizing that all higher education means in American terms is a better job which equals better pay but the educational part of it doesn't reflect on person's character,morality and spiritual compass.
What's missing are the American jobs,bring the jobs back and watch what happens to crime.
The only thing I want to say is that the whole higher education talk is just something else added to the discussion that gets tossed out there most times without people actually realizing that all higher education means in American terms is a better job which equals better pay but the educational part of it doesn't reflect on person's character,morality and spiritual compass.
What's missing are the American jobs,bring the jobs back and watch what happens to crime.
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I don't need to do that crap I got my DUI well over a year ago and it was my first.My good friend had a breathalyzer attached to car's computer. Won't start unless he blows a 0.00
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Yeah he didn't have a choice. It was a court order. Any violation gets sent directly to his PO. He has to get it calibrated every month which costs money. His car insurance is like $7000/year too. DUI's are no joke.
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that's unfortunate my dude. yeah a lot of counties are like that, they won't even hear pleas on DUIs, no deals. Mandatory sentencing. MPLS huh? Sounds like it's actually worse than AZ. I'm sorry this happened to you bruh.
Yeah they don't give a **** about curbing DUIs, hell naw. That would kill the cash flow, nah thats why cities allow bars to operate late into the night, and allow more and more bars to open.
**** half these ******* DA's and judges are narc'd out on prescription drugs where they shouldn't even be operating a ******* vehicle man, **** is a ******* scam.
They don't give a flying **** about DUIs. MADD got the system ****** up too, lobbying for harsher penalties. Getting a misdemeanor DUI is worse than getting a felony assault nowadays. That **** ***** you over in so many different ways.
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Don't be I'll be straight not my first rodeo smh. But whatever I think I'll be out by the morning. I know dudes who violated the same way and they basically ask you what can you do to not violate again and change stuff if they need to. I can't do 20 hours a week. It's impossible unless they want me to quit work. Plus I can finally drive my car again 
Yes bro it's all a scam. That's why I'll pay for the bracelet if I have to. They still get to get my money and I can be outchea hopefully. Plus I'm sure they'll tax me 500 bucks and not tell me until tax time next year like they always do. I hate the government man. Fight some ******* crime. This DUI happened 3 years ago.
smh. But whatever I think I'll be out by the morning. I know dudes who violated the same way and they basically ask you what can you do to not violate again and change stuff if they need to. I can't do 20 hours a week. It's impossible unless they want me to quit work. Plus I can finally drive my car again Yes bro it's all a scam. That's why I'll pay for the bracelet if I have to. They still get to get my money and I can be outchea hopefully. Plus I'm sure they'll tax me 500 bucks and not tell me until tax time next year like they always do. I hate the government man. Fight some ******* crime. This DUI happened 3 years ago.
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Don't be I'll be straight not my first rodeo
I'm glad to hear that you still got work though man, ton of people lose their jobs because of this. ******* courts don't give a damn as long as you're compliant to their sentencing and pay your fines.
**** this god damned system. The real tragic part is they got most Americans thinking that they're actually trying to reduce bad things from happening, on the contrary. The more arrests they make, the more fatalities, the more money and the more casework. Wanna prevent DUIs? Stop opening so many Got'damned bars. Stop serving alcohol so damned late. Don't allow alcohol to be served at big events (shows, sports events, etc).
They love that $$$$$, after a while these DAs don't even see people anymore, just see numbers. Judges could give a damn as long as you have your shirt tucked in and your pants on your ***, "respecting" them.
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Don't downplay the effects that an environment has on an individual, especially from inception.
Upward mobility isn't as easy as it sounds. From Unequal Chances, "Children born into families in the bottom 10 percent of income distribution have a less than 2 percent chance at making into in the top 10 percent when they reach adulthood."
It's plainly obvious than a child born under a stable household with two well-off parents is going to have a higher chance at living prosperous than a child born into a single-parent household whose father works at a gas station. It's certainly possible that a child can "move on up" or pull themselves up by their strap boots, but that kid will never get the same opportunities available to a child born under privilege.
Upward mobility isn't as easy as it sounds. From Unequal Chances, "Children born into families in the bottom 10 percent of income distribution have a less than 2 percent chance at making into in the top 10 percent when they reach adulthood."
It's plainly obvious than a child born under a stable household with two well-off parents is going to have a higher chance at living prosperous than a child born into a single-parent household whose father works at a gas station. It's certainly possible that a child can "move on up" or pull themselves up by their strap boots, but that kid will never get the same opportunities available to a child born under privilege.
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It's all a scam man. The country is broke. You see prospering countries locking up everyone? **** is all corrupt. Of course money gets you freedom and it sucks I have to play by their god damn rules until I sign that paper. I don't even want to know what parole would be like. You're going back for sure. I know a dude doing life for non violent crimes. I have no faith in the government or our "rehabilitation" racket.
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so "these kids" that you refer to have a state of mind of committing felonies then?Right, if obtaining that state of mind was that simple. These kids really don't even think like that, they have no idea of hope.
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It's a process man. They're usually institutionalized at a young age, go to juvie, get out go back to a broken community, a broken household, devoid of a strong father figure and they fall into the traps their environment has.
Not like these kids have after school extra-curriculars to engage in. Ain't no baseball teams in the inner-city, no art program, no band, nothing. Be lucky to have a B-ball team but not everyone can make the team right?
And they're not getting fed at home, kids getting fed one meal at school and that's about it (http://feedingamerica.org/press-room/press-releases/fa-children-at-risk-of-hunger.aspx). These kids need a way to clothe themselves, feed themselves man. So what do they turn to?
What exactly has society given them in way of an alternative? Do you have any idea the feeling of hopelessness these kids deal with day in and day out? Their own families, their own parents have failed them. Their schools are breeding-grounds for violence, their teachers barely want to be there, the turnover rate is absurd (https://ccsr.uchicago.edu/publicati...ave-teacher-mobility-chicago-public-schools)*, nobody is really taking an interest in these children's lives.
Do you realize that incarceration sometimes is the first time these kids are actually getting true structure in their lives beyond just school? They're actually getting fed and medical care? Why do you think at-risk children turn into convicted adults? Why do you think the recidivism rate is so high?
And chill with the condescending attitude. Putting "these kids" in quotation marks. Over here acting brand new, I see what you're doing man.
How bout you tell me how you really feel? Putting kids in quotation marks, what are they to you? Subhuman? How about convicts? Should they not be allowed rehabilitation? True rehabilitation and a chance to become a member of society? What's your deal man? Stop patronizing me and tell me how you really feel man.
*I chose Chicago as an example because Chicago as many of you know has a staggering amount of at-risk youth.
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i was quoting "these kids" as to reference the group of kids you were referring to
not "these" kids
nor these "kids"
nor in any such way that would convey disdain or sarcasm.
not "these" kids
nor these "kids"
nor in any such way that would convey disdain or sarcasm.
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oh I apologize then.
you read stories in the e-paper, and see these comments below, and you get the feeling that a lot of Americans dehumanize these kids after a while. people straight calling these lil' souls animals and savages.
also got the wrong sense of what you were trying to say I guess. felt like you were oversimplifying what they should do without taking into account all the factors.
Sometimes the streets is more family than they have at home. And you can see this reflected in a lot of today's music. These kids are getting more comradery and love by engaging in illicit behavior (selling drugs) than they do by "staying the path". I commend kids who are able to phase all the negativity around them and stay on the straight and narrow, because it's not easy. Those kids are the outliers, it's much easier to fall into destructive behavior because often that's the imagery they relate to.
They don't relate to college preparatory programs and study groups. They relate to drug use and violence. That's what being glorified in their neighborhoods and in the media.
Compare that to a privileged child. Mom & dad are college alums, mom always home from work to pick up the kids. Dad always putting in work, being a positive influence. Saving up for their futures, their tuition. Those kids are thinking about what car they'll be getting from mom & pops when they get their permit while at-risk kids 2 deep on a bicycle, but this isn't an A$AP Rocky video and that **** ain't Purple Swag. The lives these fairytale rappers glorify these kids live, and for them that's the only endearing imagery they have to relate to.
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oh it's okay. i only ever troll the most terrible topics on this board (e.g. "20 years old tryna cop a new whip on minimum wage need advice"), not the ones meant to generate real discussion.oh I apologize then.
you read stories in the e-paper, and see these comments below, and you get the feeling that a lot of Americans dehumanize these kids after a while. people straight calling these lil' souls animals and savages.
the commentaries sections are the worst; i've long stopped reading past the last paragraph in the news.
obviously there is correlation between poverty and crime, but why is it that those incarcerated tend to get incarcerated again?
is it an uncooperative balance between the offenders and the institutions set up to help them? (i.e. working against rather than with)
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Yes. Usually your terms of release are way more than you can do or should have to do. So they dangle two years over your head.(just throwing figures) and you miss a few meetings and your crazy girl calls the cops on you. Right back you go doing your time.
That's all it takes. That's why a lot of people just eat their full sentence and you get out with no rules and you aren't their property anymore. The system really is designed to keep you in and keep sending you back. You should see the stuff they have you do. Completely worthless crap. But there are jobs in it and it pays peoples bills and generates money. It's an industry just like anything else.
It's not right a rich football players wife. Can run a dude over and kill him and do a couple months while others are sitting in jail for life because they got three felonies. There is no justice system. Big bank is all you need and if you can't pay it good luck. It's disgusting the way this country handles itself.
More light needs to be shed on this and people need to stop blindly agreeing with the government assuming they are doing the right thing. There is big money in this and people need to stand up. Not just money either there are tons of wrongfully accused people in prison just because they feel like they need to put someone in jail for a crime. There is no reason this country couldn't be like a Scandinavian country in crime rates besides the old white people stuck in their ways holding all the power and getting richer.
That's all it takes. That's why a lot of people just eat their full sentence and you get out with no rules and you aren't their property anymore. The system really is designed to keep you in and keep sending you back. You should see the stuff they have you do. Completely worthless crap. But there are jobs in it and it pays peoples bills and generates money. It's an industry just like anything else.
It's not right a rich football players wife. Can run a dude over and kill him and do a couple months while others are sitting in jail for life because they got three felonies. There is no justice system. Big bank is all you need and if you can't pay it good luck. It's disgusting the way this country handles itself.
More light needs to be shed on this and people need to stop blindly agreeing with the government assuming they are doing the right thing. There is big money in this and people need to stand up. Not just money either there are tons of wrongfully accused people in prison just because they feel like they need to put someone in jail for a crime. There is no reason this country couldn't be like a Scandinavian country in crime rates besides the old white people stuck in their ways holding all the power and getting richer.
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Yup. When they come into the system, they BLOW UP. It's the first time in who knows how long that they receive 3 square meals + snacks in between meals per day and they take full advantage of it.
Some of the kids refer to ALL meat as chicken
That's how repressed they are. Most of them have no table manners simply because they were never taught.
Sometimes church groups or groups of kids from well off neighborhoods (Newton, Wellesley) come in on holidays and the kids immediately activate defense/shy mode. They know they aren't up to par socially and you can sense their embarrassment.
A sister from the church asked this one 17 year old girl how old her baby was and the girl just froze up and looked at me (assuming I would answer for her).
A lot of these kids weren't properly socialized and it's painful to see some of their interactions.
It's no fault of their own the majority of the time.
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Welp just got out. Sad to see to say the least. I met a 22 year old looking at 10. Another facing a murder charge. Didn't talk to him but saw him shackled and one of his boys was in the bull pen with me told me about it.
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