36 shot in Chicago in 36 hrs.

Chicago is a lot better than it was during the crack epidemic. But you also have to take into account chicago's population is about 3 million people. There are much worse recluse smaller neighboorhoods through out the country.
 
This right here is the problem. The blame game. If you trick yourself into believing something isn't your fault then you will never succeed. This is human nature. People with this mindset need to reevaluate their thought process. It is more detrimental then any of those scapegoats you posted.

Who has a tricked mindset? i simply know that my journey to success in America is clearly rockier than that of a Caucasian. This isn't some sort of mindset that was made up this is statistical facts. What people seem to forget is that because some make it out of the hood, different situations cause different results.

Me & my childhood friend have lived two completely different lives, despite living a few floors down from each other and growing up in the same exact neighborhood in the same school system. You know what the difference between me getting a college Degree and staying on a straight path and him doing robberies and getting 10 years was? Drugs in the household.

I'm one of the few who first off had both parents, secondly didn't have a parent on drugs. Him on the other hand had a mother who dealt with drugs, a father that came in and out of jail, and a brother who was selling drugs from a young age. In turn he became someone who sold drugs, got caught up and have to serve a bid for his actions. One wrong decision by my parents and that could have EASILY been my life.

It's a scapegoat that the school system where we grew up is horrible compared to those in a wealthy area?.... It's a scapegoat to say that in are area it's a norm for a child to be exposed to drugs and violence from the preteen years? a scapegoat to acknowledge that the jail system & laws in America are built to incarcerate a higher percentage of blacks, which in turn has created a ridiculous ratio between black/white incarceration?

Your answer to schools being ****** up, Having no parenting, No jobs, Violence all around you is simply to just stop making excuses? get through it?. Sorry to burst your bubble but statistics over the past 30 years prove that just saying i'm going to get out of this hell isn't as simple as you make it seem.

Let's not mention that these kids in the chi aren't looking at themselves as victims, they think this is the way life is suppose to be and it's just something that they grew into :smh:. If they knew what they were really being deprived than maybe they would aim to try and even those things, instead they completely disregard those institutions and allow for them to continue to rape these poor neighborhoods of what little value they do have left and remain broken and careless.
 
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Say what you want about the history of black america... I think we can all agree that things didn't get off to a good start, and the transition from slavery to "freedom" has been rocky.

Instead of conspiracies about Reagan dropping off packages to little Avon in the 80s, though, how can things improve moving forward?

Btw Native Americans might have it worse overall.

By stopping the ever repeating cycle of the "War On Drugs" and actually helping build a community through education, through job training, to having more afterschool programs and activities to show kids a new world. However as long as people think that somehow asking for better service from the government who's sole purpose is to help it's citizens, is considered making excuses. The same cycle will continue.

Dudes are really making this seem as if this entire thing is made up and somehow young black children are popping out the womb with guns and aggression. I'm sick of this BS "everybody" has the same chance to make it mentality when every statistical category in relation to being successful says otherwise.

didn't get off to a good start? Rocky?..... complete families were wiped off the earth, Education was completely non existent, dietary habits were changed towards complete garbage, separation and angst against one another was systematically built, No sense of culture was created..... and this is what you call simply rocky?

You can't destroy someones entire history, base of knowledge, family bonds, economy

and in 100+ years expect those generations of problems to simply correct itself.
 
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I find it interesting that other groups faced hardships but came out. When the Jews, Irish, and even Italians came to America in the early 1900s, they were viewed as lower class people. In NYC, each had their neighborhoods, hoods, poor upbringing, and violence (Hell's Kitchen for example). The Latinos, Mexicans, and the Asians all had to struggle as well. Maybe its a cycle, where the "new" ethnic group comes to America, struggles but eventually become successful. Can we say that the African Americans are "new" in terms of gaining freedom and equal rights much later than everyone else?


Also, has NYC actually been cleaned up by Guiliani, Pataki, and Bloomberg? Have they obliterated all the drug dealers and bangers and solved the problem or did they just push them out to the outskirts via gentrification? And have they created more youth programs for the kids to put their time and energy into something else?

Basically I guess what I'm asking is if the gangbanger mindset no longer prevalent in the minds of the kids in NYC or is the mindset intact and dispersed throughout the outskirts of NY and therefore not as impactful because instead of all of them being together in a larger region, they are spread apart into smaller areas?
 
didn't get off to a good start? Rocky?..... complete families were wiped off the earth, Education was completely non existent, dietary habits were changed towards complete garbage, separation and angst against one another was systematically built, No sense of culture was created..... and this is what you call simply rocky?

You can't destroy someones entire history, base of knowledge, family bonds, economy

and in 100+ years expect those generations of problems to simply correct itself.

I guess I didn't use strong enough language... of course it has been incredibly difficult and oppressive for blacks in America since they arrived. You satisfied?

I find it interesting that other groups faced hardships but came out. When the Jews, Irish, and even Italians came to America in the early 1900s, they were viewed as lower class people. In NYC, each had their neighborhoods, hoods, poor upbringing, and violence (Hell's Kitchen for example). The Latinos, Mexicans, and the Asians all had to struggle as well. Maybe its a cycle, where the "new" ethnic group comes to America, struggles but eventually become successful. Can we say that the African Americans are "new" in terms of gaining freedom and equal rights much later than everyone else?

An African-American Studies professor guest lectured at the university I work at about this exact topic. She said that those European immigrants go through one, maybe two generations of struggle before they are assimilated into white America and considered white, not Irish or Italian. It is much harder for someone who does not look white, because their skin color keeps them at a certain social level in many peoples' minds.
 
Who has a tricked mindset? i simply know that my journey to success in America is clearly rockier than that of a Caucasian. This isn't some sort of mindset that was made up this is statistical facts. What people seem to forget is that because some make it out of the hood, different situations cause different results.

Me & my childhood friend have lived two completely different lives, despite living a few floors down from each other and growing up in the same exact neighborhood in the same school system. You know what the difference between me getting a college Degree and staying on a straight path and him doing robberies and getting 10 years was? Drugs in the household.

I'm one of the few who first off had both parents, secondly didn't have a parent on drugs. Him on the other hand had a mother who dealt with drugs, a father that came in and out of jail, and a brother who was selling drugs from a young age. In turn he became someone who sold drugs, got caught up and have to serve a bid for his actions. One wrong decision by my parents and that could have EASILY been my life.

It's a scapegoat that the school system where we grew up is horrible compared to those in a wealthy area?.... It's a scapegoat to say that in are area it's a norm for a child to be exposed to drugs and violence from the preteen years? a scapegoat to acknowledge that the jail system & laws in America are built to incarcerate a higher percentage of blacks, which in turn has created a ridiculous ratio between black/white incarceration?

Your answer to schools being ****** up, Having no parenting, No jobs, Violence all around you is simply to just stop making excuses? get through it?. Sorry to burst your bubble but statistics over the past 30 years prove that just saying i'm going to get out of this hell isn't as simple as you make it seem.

Let's not mention that these kids in the chi aren't looking at themselves as victims, they think this is the way life is suppose to be and it's just something that they grew into :smh:. If they knew what they were really being deprived than maybe they would aim to try and even those things, instead they completely disregard those institutions and allow for them to continue to rape these poor neighborhoods of what little value they do have left and remain broken and careless.

The answer to everything you said can be boiled down to being able to tell the difference from right and wrong. If you can figure that out then anything that happens after is a conscious CHOICE. If you're selling drugs and the cops come and you run that right there is proof that you know that what you're doing is not right. An people are not raised in vacuums, there is evidence of an outside better world and it is always present. I'm sorry but all the things you listed as factors for failure were simply the same tired excuses that have haunted blacks for generations. The mindset needs to be reset. And if you are as educated as you say you are you should already know that.
 
I guess I didn't use strong enough language... of course it has been incredibly difficult and oppressive for blacks in America since they arrived. You satisfied?
An African-American Studies professor guest lectured at the university I work at about this exact topic. She said that those European immigrants go through one, maybe two generations of struggle before they are assimilated into white America and considered white, not Irish or Italian. It is much harder for someone who does not look white, because their skin color keeps them at a certain social level in many peoples' minds.

What about the Asians? They struggled, they lived/live in crappy Chinatown overpopulated areas in each of the countries major cities. Honest question - did they create gangs, push drugs, and massacre each other? Did crack not have a chance to make its way to Chinatown and tell their parent's to be dealers/users and tell fathers to leave their families? Also they clearly look different from Caucasians so they aren't assimilated as White as well.
 
 
I guess I didn't use strong enough language... of course it has been incredibly difficult and oppressive for blacks in America since they arrived. You satisfied?
An African-American Studies professor guest lectured at the university I work at about this exact topic. She said that those European immigrants go through one, maybe two generations of struggle before they are assimilated into white America and considered white, not Irish or Italian. It is much harder for someone who does not look white, because their skin color keeps them at a certain social level in many peoples' minds.
What about the Asians? They struggled, they lived/live in crappy Chinatown overpopulated areas in each of the countries major cities. Honest question - did they create gangs, push drugs, and massacre each other? Did crack not have a chance to make its way to Chinatown and tell their parent's to be dealers/users and tell fathers to leave their families? Also they clearly look different from Caucasians so they aren't assimilated as White as well.
Please no one entertain this dude with a reply. This post....... Lol

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The answer to everything you said can be boiled down to being able to tell the difference from right and wrong. If you can figure that out then anything that happens after is a conscious CHOICE. If you're selling drugs and the cops come and you run that right there is proof that you know that what you're doing is not right. An people are not raised in vacuums, there is evidence of an outside better world and it is always present. I'm sorry but all the things you listed as factors for failure were simply the same tired excuses that have haunted blacks for generations. The mindset needs to be reset. And if you are as educated as you say you are you should already know that.
This dude just posted all that knowledge and your response is to disregard all the context listed above you and boil it down to black and white right and wrong?  Wake up, things are never that clear cut.  Perhaps it is you that are too stuck in your mindset and could use re-evaluation of what you believe and why you believe it. 

Proud of NT for continuing this dialogue.  Let's keep it going. 
 
Please no one entertain this dude with a reply. This post....... Lol

lucille-shut-door.gif

How so?
Didn't all ethnic groups in the country start from square one? I see more similarities than differences:

- Post Civil War/Emancipation, the African Americans moved to certain areas in groups. As did the Asians.
- Both groups barely had pennies to their names.
- Both groups were discriminated against... The bathrooms, buses, restaurants, and water fountains had sections called "WHITES ONLY".
- Both groups finally got equal rights after the Civil Rights Movement..
- I am just wondering, why didn't Chinatown, in NYC for example, become a hotbed for drugs and violence.

What difference was there? Is it that the white folk really dislike black people and decided to plant crack in the hood? While they gave the Asians a pass? Do white folk like Asians more?
 
 
Please no one entertain this dude with a reply. This post....... Lol

lucille-shut-door.gif
How so?
Didn't all ethnic groups in the country start from square one? I see more similarities than differences:

- Post Civil War/Emancipation, the African Americans moved to certain areas in groups. As did the Asians.
- Both groups barely had pennies to their names.
- Both groups were discriminated against... The bathrooms, buses, restaurants, and water fountains had sections called "WHITES ONLY".
- Both groups finally got equal rights after the Civil Rights Movement..
- I am just wondering, why didn't Chinatown, in NYC for example, become a hotbed for drugs and violence.

What difference was there? Is it that the white folk really dislike black people and decided to plant crack in the hood? While they gave the Asians a pass? Do white folk like Asians more?
lucille-shut-door.gif
 
How so?
Didn't all ethnic groups in the country start from square one? I see more similarities than differences:

- Post Civil War/Emancipation, the African Americans moved to certain areas in groups. As did the Asians.
- Both groups barely had pennies to their names.
- Both groups were discriminated against... The bathrooms, buses, restaurants, and water fountains had sections called "WHITES ONLY".
- Both groups finally got equal rights after the Civil Rights Movement..
- I am just wondering, why didn't Chinatown, in NYC for example, become a hotbed for drugs and violence.

What difference was there? Is it that the white folk really dislike black people and decided to plant crack in the hood? While they gave the Asians a pass? Do white folk like Asians more?
Lol

Let's not totally derail this discussion
whites like asians more. Yep I'm going there.

reasons

- men can pick up asian women easily

- asians keep to themselves and don't noticeably move into a neighborhood

- white men have no penis envy with asians 

...and yeah I know that sounds really immature and Freudian

but after I saw why white men don't like women who sleep with black men in another thread... It really wouldn't surprise me
 
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The answer to everything you said can be boiled down to being able to tell the difference from right and wrong. If you can figure that out then anything that happens after is a conscious CHOICE. If you're selling drugs and the cops come and you run that right there is proof that you know that what you're doing is not right. An people are not raised in vacuums, there is evidence of an outside better world and it is always present. I'm sorry but all the things you listed as factors for failure were simply the same tired excuses that have haunted blacks for generations. The mindset needs to be reset. And if you are as educated as you say you are you should already know that.

So because i don't agree with your opinion on how something is viewed your going to question my education? if so then bless everyone you associate with.

Knowing right from wrong is the answer to fixing generations of poverty, lack of education, lack of ownership etc etc knowing right from wrong. You know what else could be fixed by looking at right & wrong?

- it's wrong for an entire generation of kids to get a lack of funding and not be close to or up to par with counterparts in a wealthy district because they were born poor.
- It's wrong for police to target, harass, and arrest one group of people because of the color of their skin
- It's wrong to then convict said group of people at double to triple the rate because of their skin color
- It's wrong to know that schooling and parenting are pillars to success but continue to let an entire community repeat a viscous cycle because they are poor
- It's wrong for corporations to pay minorities at a lower rate than they do Caucasians despite doing the same job
- It's wrong to allow a billion dollar "Illegal" industry that has only significantly hampered the poor communities, to continue while you continuously arrest members of the poor community at higher rates than ever before and continue to flood government money into a "war" that hasn't done anything but hurt those you are suppose to be defending.

Incase you haven't gotten the point knowing right or wrong doesn't exactly stop people from doing things.

These same Lil kids who grew up watching their parents on drugs, their fathers and brother get killed or jailed, who's schools barely even teach them anything other than being a professional test taker...... these are the kids who know that there's a better world & they are suppose to teach themselves how to get there with very very small examples on how to do it.

Let me guess that 10 yr old child who is ducking bullets and barely knows where his next meal is coming from should be able to look at Obama and map out an route to success. I refuse to believe your this Naive, you are basically asking children in terrible situations to map out a life plan without the help of their community or strong backing.
 
Who has a tricked mindset? i simply know that my journey to success in America is clearly rockier than that of a Caucasian. This isn't some sort of mindset that was made up this is statistical facts. What people seem to forget is that because some make it out of the hood, different situations cause different results.

Me & my childhood friend have lived two completely different lives, despite living a few floors down from each other and growing up in the same exact neighborhood in the same school system. You know what the difference between me getting a college Degree and staying on a straight path and him doing robberies and getting 10 years was? Drugs in the household.

I'm one of the few who first off had both parents, secondly didn't have a parent on drugs. Him on the other hand had a mother who dealt with drugs, a father that came in and out of jail, and a brother who was selling drugs from a young age. In turn he became someone who sold drugs, got caught up and have to serve a bid for his actions. One wrong decision by my parents and that could have EASILY been my life.

It's a scapegoat that the school system where we grew up is horrible compared to those in a wealthy area?.... It's a scapegoat to say that in are area it's a norm for a child to be exposed to drugs and violence from the preteen years? a scapegoat to acknowledge that the jail system & laws in America are built to incarcerate a higher percentage of blacks, which in turn has created a ridiculous ratio between black/white incarceration?

Your answer to schools being ****** up, Having no parenting, No jobs, Violence all around you is simply to just stop making excuses? get through it?. Sorry to burst your bubble but statistics over the past 30 years prove that just saying i'm going to get out of this hell isn't as simple as you make it seem.

Let's not mention that these kids in the chi aren't looking at themselves as victims, they think this is the way life is suppose to be and it's just something that they grew into :smh:. If they knew what they were really being deprived than maybe they would aim to try and even those things, instead they completely disregard those institutions and allow for them to continue to rape these poor neighborhoods of what little value they do have left and remain broken and careless.

Everything wrong with the Hood could be solved by people in the hood.

Yea the system is "designed" against us. But can you imagine if MLK, Malcolm, Huey, etc. sat on they laptops and just cried about the system?

They fought the system with their lives and made changes. We dont have that leadership anymore.

My point is poor school systems is something you can organize against and make a change. We have to understand that politicians only respond to people who stay in their ears. **** a president or governor harass your city councilman and mayor for change. ****** be asking what Obama gone do. Ask your district president what she or he gone do.

Violence can be organized and protested against. We seem to do it when its the annual white man kills a black man or kid. We like to play pseudo civil rights movement when Al Sharpton tell us to. but when its black on black we seem to accept it as the norm. We rap about it. We watch it on First 48 like its entertainment. We yell "Bang Bang and ChiRaq" all that goofy ****. But if we gave the same kind of effort and vigor we did for Trayvon every time a Trayvon was murdered you telling me we wouldnt make a change in the violence?

Like its been said before other ethnic groups have gone through systematic hardships: Italians, Jews, Asians,etc. but they found a way to stick together and make a way. Hell even Africans come over here and flourish because they dont adapt the same mindset we Africans Americans have. Its crazy, Africans look like us, get profiled like us, deal with the same racism we do but they seem to get they American dream on at a much higher rate.

You know the difference between all those other groups and black folks? They have families. Lack of family structure is an internal problem that can be solved by black men not some white man. The famous stat that 70% of kids are born out of wedlock is the crux of the problem.

All this pointing fingers to some invisible bully just always seem weak to me. I just aint built like that. Im not saying the world isnt against us but **** you gotta take responsibility for what you responsible for first.
 
Everything wrong with the Hood could be solved by people in the hood.

Yea the system is "designed" against us. But can you imagine if MLK, Malcolm, Huey, etc. sat on they laptops and just cried about the system?

They fought the system with their lives and made changes. We dont have that leadership anymore.

My point is poor school systems is something you can organize against and make a change. We have to understand that politicians only respond to people who stay in their ears. **** a president or governor harass your city councilman and mayor for change. ****** be asking what Obama gone do. Ask your district president what she or he gone do.

Violence can be organized and protested against. We seem to do it when its the annual white man kills a black man or kid. We like to play pseudo civil rights movement when Al Sharpton tell us to. but when its black on black we seem to accept it as the norm. We rap about it. We watch it on First 48 like its entertainment. We yell "Bang Bang and ChiRaq" all that goofy ****. But if we gave the same kind of effort and vigor we did for Trayvon every time a Trayvon was murdered you telling me we wouldnt make a change in the violence?

Like its been said before other ethnic groups have gone through systematic hardships: Italians, Jews, Asians,etc. but they found a way to stick together and make a way. Hell even Africans come over here and flourish because they dont adapt the same mindset we Africans Americans have. Its crazy, Africans look like us, get profiled like us, deal with the same racism we do but they seem to get they American dream on at a much higher rate.

You know the difference between all those other groups and black folks? They have families. Lack of family structure is an internal problem that can be solved by black men not some white man. The famous stat that 70% of kids are born out of wedlock is the crux of the problem.

All this pointing fingers to some invisible bully just always seem weak to me. I just aint built like that. Im not saying the world isnt against us but **** you gotta take responsibility for what you responsible for first.

QFT
 
Everything wrong with the Hood could be solved by people in the hood.

Yea the system is "designed" against us. But can you imagine if MLK, Malcolm, Huey, etc. sat on they laptops and just cried about the system?

They fought the system with their lives and made changes. We dont have that leadership anymore.

My point is poor school systems is something you can organize against and make a change. We have to understand that politicians only respond to people who stay in their ears. **** a president or governor harass your city councilman and mayor for change. ****** be asking what Obama gone do. Ask your district president what she or he gone do.

Violence can be organized and protested against. We seem to do it when its the annual white man kills a black man or kid. We like to play pseudo civil rights movement when Al Sharpton tell us to. but when its black on black we seem to accept it as the norm. We rap about it. We watch it on First 48 like its entertainment. We yell "Bang Bang and ChiRaq" all that goofy ****. But if we gave the same kind of effort and vigor we did for Trayvon every time a Trayvon was murdered you telling me we wouldnt make a change in the violence?

Like its been said before other ethnic groups have gone through systematic hardships: Italians, Jews, Asians,etc. but they found a way to stick together and make a way. Hell even Africans come over here and flourish because they dont adapt the same mindset we Africans Americans have. Its crazy, Africans look like us, get profiled like us, deal with the same racism we do but they seem to get they American dream on at a much higher rate.

You know the difference between all those other groups and black folks? They have families. Lack of family structure is an internal problem that can be solved by black men not some white man. The famous stat that 70% of kids are born out of wedlock is the crux of the problem.

All this pointing fingers to some invisible bully just always seem weak to me. I just aint built like that. Im not saying the world isnt against us but **** you gotta take responsibility for what you responsible for first.

And that is the problem when people who are educated and created a backing have When discussing the problems in the hood. There is this mindset that somehow a switch is going to be flipped and something that has been systematically set up for decades is just going to vanish. I Assume you got an education and you were exposed to different ideas and ideologies that allowed you to get out of your situation. That is to be honored, but if you look at hoods in America at this moment is it more common for someone to be educated and successful or ignorant and broke. Do you think that you were born with some advanced from of ambition that others just didn't have?

I don't think your taking into account individual situations & the generational effect of lacking a functional school system. There are people in the hood who don't give a **** about anything not relating to them, then you have those who do care but are working two jobs just to get by. Hell whether poor or middle class the average person doesn't know there councilman nor do they have the time or means to actually have a sit down discussion with one of them. Where is a single mother who works a 12 hour shift, then has to come home to help her child with HW & make meals going to find the time to get in contact with their councilmen (I Work for the NYC Council, and trust me simply writing notes and taking a few meetings isn't going to get ANYTHING done).

In order to fix schools they need state wide funding, federal funding.... these areas mean absolutely nothing to politicians because politics in a whole has become a game of who has the most money. Example i live in the BX in NYC, schools over hear are in dire need of improvement but are always being stripped of programs & funding because apparently we don't have any money for that. However we do have 300+ million dollars for a bridge only 30 minutes away, not because the bridge is broken or hazardous but because it would be a nice attraction for City Island.

So they don't have money to help children gain an education but we have unlimited money for war and nice venues. Do you think the federal government or state governments isn't aware of the educational gaps in poorer districts? Do you think that they don't realize poor education leads to more violence, more crime, and a less intelligent society? Of course they do but listening to those poor people at the bottom of the pyramid and doing things for them isn't going to get them reelected, it isn't going to get them connections to millionaires to fund there campaigns, it isn't going to get there children a connection to that IVY league school they wanted.... so of course the money comes first.

How are Dudes who never had fathers and have watched their entire life go by with dudes walking out on their family or being taken away from their family suppose to just wake up and say "Yea today i'm going to actually do right by my kids". You are living in a fantasy land if you think that's going to come from someone who has no idea what a strong family structure is. It's like someone who's been raised in a christian household to adhere by Jewish rules overnight. Or asking someone who grew up in an racist environment to just flip the switch and accept another race.

It takes education and division from those ideas and connotations to see the error of those ways. That can be obtained by education and less jailing of black men which again is directly linked to the government. all this "why you waiting for the white mans help" talk sounds good but in reality the black community just needs the government to let them play on an even scale. The only other way to improve schooling w/o government help would be for independent private schools to be built and distributed in hoods across america. That would take a Vast amount of money that isn't readily available in the black community because we are JUST getting to a point where there are several Wealthy rich people from the hood to establish some sort of ownership.

As far as other ethnicities rising up.... i'll say that we are technically just entering are 3rd generation of being "Free" in this country so we will see. However i do want to point out that those other ethnicities were in America for longer, maintained a family structure even as immigrants and most importantly had their own proud history and culture to celebrate from their initial countries.

Us? we were brought here and placed at the BOTTOM of the totem pole, made to live like animals and be referred to as such, stripped of ALL culture and of all history of who we really are. Our families were killed and shipped to other parts of the country leaving not even a trace of ancestry.

THOSE are the factors that seperate us from other ethnicities.... are entire (manufactured) culture as "African Americans" is something that was either given to us by white slave owners, or created by slaves. We have had are values and morals shaped by the very same people who enslaved us yet people are wondering the difference.
 
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Man, how does everything turn into a debate? Paragraphs on paragraphs on paragraphs. FOH
 
It's the politics, the media reporting, the racism, the housing, the ingrained gang culture, the terrible education system, an ever-more lucrative and misguided prison system, the institutionalized segregation over generations that have led to Chicago's current atmosphere.  The cops may not be all that good, but the problem doesn't begin to start or end with them.   

all of this. i am a big fan of the wire, and after i moved to chicago, i would literally think to myself "didn't i see this chit on the show?!?" on a weekly basis. the crime, corruption, b.s. politicians, educational system, etc are exactly like what you would see on the show. but remember, chicago is a lot bigger than baltimore.

sidenote: jesse jackson's rainbow push organization has been based outta chicago for 10+ years. they/dude have consistently been absent in the community for 10+ years. :smh: :lol:
 
Everything wrong with the Hood could be solved by people in the hood.

Yea the system is "designed" against us. But can you imagine if MLK, Malcolm, Huey, etc. sat on they laptops and just cried about the system?

They fought the system with their lives and made changes. We dont have that leadership anymore.

My point is poor school systems is something you can organize against and make a change. We have to understand that politicians only respond to people who stay in their ears. **** a president or governor harass your city councilman and mayor for change. ****** be asking what Obama gone do. Ask your district president what she or he gone do.

Violence can be organized and protested against. We seem to do it when its the annual white man kills a black man or kid. We like to play pseudo civil rights movement when Al Sharpton tell us to. but when its black on black we seem to accept it as the norm. We rap about it. We watch it on First 48 like its entertainment. We yell "Bang Bang and ChiRaq" all that goofy ****. But if we gave the same kind of effort and vigor we did for Trayvon every time a Trayvon was murdered you telling me we wouldnt make a change in the violence?

Like its been said before other ethnic groups have gone through systematic hardships: Italians, Jews, Asians,etc. but they found a way to stick together and make a way. Hell even Africans come over here and flourish because they dont adapt the same mindset we Africans Americans have. Its crazy, Africans look like us, get profiled like us, deal with the same racism we do but they seem to get they American dream on at a much higher rate.

You know the difference between all those other groups and black folks? They have families. Lack of family structure is an internal problem that can be solved by black men not some white man. The famous stat that 70% of kids are born out of wedlock is the crux of the problem.

All this pointing fingers to some invisible bully just always seem weak to me. I just aint built like that. Im not saying the world isnt against us but **** you gotta take responsibility for what you responsible for first.

i agree 1000% but when i see/hear this response, i have to ask

what are you gonna do? not sarcasm or being an a-hole. i'm just

saying these are strong opinions so if that's how you feel, and i

feel the same way, what are you gonna do?
 
all of this. i am a big fan of the wire, and after i moved to chicago, i would literally think to myself "didn't i see this chit on the show?!?" on a weekly basis. the crime, corruption, b.s. politicians, educational system, etc are exactly like what you would see on the show. but remember, chicago is a lot bigger than baltimore.

sidenote: jesse jackson's rainbow push organization has been based outta chicago for 10+ years. they/dude have consistently been absent in the community for 10+ years. :smh: :lol:

That's exactly why i posted that interview with David Simon a lil higher up he discusses all he went through in Baltimore in the 90's & if you simply replace Baltimore with Chicago every time he says it the stories are identical
 
oh and let me add. to anyone in denial about this fact: WHITE AMERICANS HAD LEVELS TO THEIR

RACISM. Asians came over for opportunity and were treated like **** at Angel Island. The Irish were

disliked as well, for example, but chose to come. Blacks are still the ONLY group FORCEFULLY brought over. that is a big factor in race

relations in this country. just saying. know your history before you start just saying stuff.
 
[quote name="niquefreak94" url="/t/589996/36-shot-in-chicago-in-36-hrs/120#post_20340120"]oh and let me add. to anyone in denial about this fact: WHITE AMERICANS HAD LEVELS TO THEIR

RACISM. Asians came over for opportunity and were treated like **** at Angel Island. The Irish were

disliked as well, for example, but chose to come. Blacks are still the ONLY group FORCEFULLY brought over. that is a big factor in race

relations in this country. just saying. know your history before you start just saying stuff
.[/quote]
 
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