2014-15 Official Lakers Season Thread, Vol: We Love Each Other

How Many Wins This Season?

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Yes and the role of a PG is to get everybody involved because that's not the role of anybody else on the court.

Not always. The reason why the Lakers never had an elite, traditional PG in the Phil era was because the role of the PG was not traditional in the triangle
 
 
magic would be boris diaw if he played in todays game
totally read this as magic would be doris burke
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you're thinking of larry bird
 
Yes and the role of a PG is to get everybody involved because that's not the role of anybody else on the court.
Not the 2, not the 3, 4 or 5

And why is Russ a bad example?

In the case of Nash, I get it. If you're the best shooter on the team and can break down any defender the best on your team then you are automatically delegated as the "closer"
Chris Paul gets this. Nash to some extent did not. But I remember Nash having his fair share of close out games. CP you make it sound like he NEVER shot the ball with 3 minutes left to go in a game.

Even if said PG is not the best person to do so? What about Bron, KD this year, Kobe, Wade earlier in his career. You want somebody with the passing ability of Bron to have Mario Chalmers trying to set people up just because he's the PG? Or Fish? The best playmaker should be making plays, regardless of position.

Russ is a bad example because
1. They have no one else to create offense for themselves outside of KD
2. KD has that beta mentality too much at critical junctures of the game
3. KD is still not elite at getting good position to receive the ball in a good scoring position especially when he has good defense on him (see last night's game).
 
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this kind of thinking and this kind of "pure pg" is the most overrated position in basketball

grown *** men who are the best at what they do dont need one guy running around spoon feeding them


well i guess some do, but its not going to get you far

It's not about spoon feeding. It's about roles & blending.
Everybody on the court can't shoot and attack the basket when they feel like it just because they are good at it.
Somebody has to think TEAM first.
Plays break down. Rhythm gets ruptured.
Basketball is all energy & rhythm. Someone has to maintain that and keep it under control

If it suits you guys better lets just take the PG label off it and call the position whatever you want.

But if you guys want a bunch of Westbrooks, Irving's, DWills, etc you can keep em.
The guard with the ball in his hands 85% of the time that looks to score first will never ever lead you to a Chip.
Who is looking out for the rest of the team?? Not your Point Guard who happens to possess the ball most of the damn game
 
Yes and the role of a PG is to get everybody involved because that's not the role of anybody else on the court.
Not the 2, not the 3, 4 or 5
the role of a pg doesnt necessarily have to play the facilitator role. why can't the 2 or 3 play this role? kobe? wade? lebron?

being a positional "point guard" doesn't mean you have to play facilitator. just like how pau is a power forward but is more soft finesse
 
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this kind of thinking and this kind of "pure pg" is the most overrated position in basketball

grown *** men who are the best at what they do dont need one guy running around spoon feeding them


well i guess some do, but its not going to get you far
Somebody has to think TEAM first.
 
star players with a lot of scoring ability should always be looking to attack and score

team first guys are called role players
 
But if you guys want a bunch of Westbrooks, Irving's, DWills, etc you can keep em.
The guard with the ball in his hands 85% of the time that looks to score first will never ever lead you to a Chip.
Who is looking out for the rest of the team?? Not your Point Guard who happens to possess the ball most of the damn game

You can get guys like that and still have facilitators somewhere else...

Just because someone is labeled a PG and dominates the ball, doesn't make him any different than someone else who dominates the ball (Harden, Kobe)
 
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Thing is far more combo wing players have won chips than pass happy PGs historically sooooo...yeah

I can't think of one since I've been watching basketball that has lead his team to a chip playing that way. It's not exclusive, you have to be able to do both or someone on your team is able to do both.
 
The guard with the ball in his hands 85% of the time that looks to score first will never ever lead you to a Chip.
Who is looking out for the rest of the team?? Not your Point Guard who happens to possess the ball most of the damn game
um, Kobe's a guard who always has the ball in his hands

so is MJ

and Wade
 
also never understood people that hate on westbrook for taking the shots he takes

KD needs to grow a pair and take control of the team if he doesnt like the way westbrook is shooting

Now this is where me and you agree wholeheartedly!! Last time I checked Durant was the man on his team. If he ain't got the balls to shut Russel down then it's on him.

Have that be Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, etc. they would have been smacked fire outta Westbrook for shooting as much as he does
 
but why should the role of getting everyone involved be place on one person?

why does the pg have to run the offense and bring the ball up each time

why would it be better for chris paul bringing the ball up the court and starting the offense rather than lebron or lamar odom? 

Well if you have LBJ on your team why the hell would you want the ball in Chalmers hands and if you were LO why have old *** DFish initiate things.
Also I don't consider "bringing the ball up"
something important for a PG to do. Anybody can do that
 
star players with a lot of scoring ability should always be looking to attack and score

team first guys are called role players
Wow. Really??
Team first guys are role players eh??
There's more to basketball than just being able to shoot well. That's all I'm trying to get across and most of the time that job is delegated to the 1 position seeing as everybody else on the squad has that same scoring mindset
 
 
star players with a lot of scoring ability should always be looking to attack and score

team first guys are called role players
Wow. Really??
Team first guys are role players eh??
There's more to basketball than just being able to shoot well. That's all I'm trying to get across and most of the time that job is delegated to the 1 position seeing as everybody else on the squad has that same scoring mindset
and thats why pass first pg lead teams never win anything

look at any championship team, heat/lakers/spurs dont have a single player averaging 8 assists or more. everyone plays a role in sharing the ball and getting open shots for teammates. 

you can have one guy average 10 assists per game, or tony parker averaging 6 assists a game, duncan averaging 2 and splitter averaging 2.

no good teams rely on a single person to create offence for the entire team, it just doesnt work.

the best player on a team should always look to score first/be the #1 option 
 
Bottom line is that Exum not being a traditional PG, being a deterrent to not select him if he's available is laughable. The NBA has long been evolved into a positionless league. You play to each players strength.
 
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and thats why pass first pg lead teams never win anything

look at any championship team, heat/lakers/spurs dont have a single player averaging 8 assists or more. everyone plays a role in sharing the ball and getting open shots for teammates. 

you can have one guy average 10 assists per game, or tony parker averaging 6 assists a game, duncan averaging 2 and splitter averaging 2.

no good teams rely on a single person to create offence for the entire team, it just doesnt work.

the best player on a team should always look to score first/be the #1 option 

Ok 1st of all let me state this once again.

NO point guard led team will win anything
Unless your name is Magic or Zeke
I thought I stated that.
 
so you're saying that while you dont need a pg to lead you to a chip

you do need one to set people up and run the offence? 

just trying to understand your argument 
 
I went to Game 1 on Saturday and saw tons of Clipper fans taking pics with the statues & balloons

And they wanna talk about how LA is Clipper town now...
 
Nothing's ever on Mike. Ever.

You know that Ska :wink:

Go ahead. Both of you. Draw me a picture how Steve Nash shot selection, is on the head coach.

And remember, we don't blame Phil for Kobe shooting a ton, but you want to blame Mike for Nash not shooting enough?


Start there. And bring to me your argument. I beg you, make that argument, blame Mike, please.
 
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