2014-15 Official Lakers Season Thread, Vol: We Love Each Other

[sea manup]

i dont even care about dantoni that much, if you think hes bad cool, if you think hes good cool.

but there is no way anyone can say thibs is clearly a better coach than dantoni

half of this thread would have killed themselves over the course of the season if we had thibs coaching

watching these bums lose every game while struggling to score 70 points 

people in here always complaining about not using pau or kaman or hill

strange how in 84 games of the season thibs has never played boozer in the 4th quarter

i guess theres no need for adjustments when you play jimmy butler for 53 minutes and have him score 6 points

who needs a bench when i can just play all my starters 45 minutes a game, nothing bad ever happens when i do that

 

[darthska]

Can't believe they're even being mentioned in the same sentence.

The MDA defense has hit a new low.
Things are getting pathetic.

There's defending someone objectively and then there's.....

Never mind. I made the mistake of taking the bait.

I'll leave it alone.
Continue. Who really cares were most likely going to be stuck with this bum for another year.

We have plenty of time to rehash the same ****.

Yes, yes you did. 

As soon as I saw this... ... ...

 

soooo thibs clearly better than dantoni 

makes tons of adjustments 

Dont start man...

How much better can a coach do with Kirk Hinrich as their go to scorer?
Gimme a break.

This dude was a top 3 COTY candidate AGAIN this year.
Craps all over Mikes face when it comes to coaching.
You wanna talk about not having enough "pieces"... look at that Chicago team

Pick someone elses name to compare him to man. Anyone else.

... ... ... I thought, "The bait, you took it."

 

[sea manup]

not really bait, i honestly think thibs is a, to use the words of antidantoni guys, a trash coach that can only coach one side of basketball

 

[licensed to ball]

Why did you even have to mention it?

How can you said "I don't even care" when you were the one who brought it up when everything was peaceful

You obviously care enough to subliminally make another case for your coach by bringing up Thibbs recent short comings.

We all care about what we bring up.

 

[CP1708]

We all care about what we bring up.

Not all.

 

[sea manup]

Why did you even have to mention it?

How can you said "I don't even care" when you were the one who brought it up when everything was peaceful

You obviously care enough to subliminally make another case for your coach by bringing up Thibbs recent short comings.

We all care about what we bring up.

there is no way i care about 70% of the stuff i bring up

just go read the nba thread 

bringing up dantoni first is always a good way to get everyone's attention 

 

[darthska]

^ Was gonna say the same thing, CP.

Not all.

I don't give a hot, steaming, boiling, fresh crap about most of the sports stuff I talk about.

Just shooting the breeze, literally. Passing time at work instead of actually... ummm... working. 

 

 

 

[MVP]

I look at it this way. If you want to say both are one side centric coaches fine, the difference is to me, historically one's philosophy has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level, one has not. There has never been a team that has completely ignored or minimized the defensive end of the floor and won a title, if I'm missing one, please correct me.

Difference is Thibs being an elite defensive coach is more valuable than Mike being an elite offensive coach, because one is intensively more difficult to teach and instill in a team, everybody wants to shoot and score points, not everyone wants to play intense defense every night.

 

[licensed to ball]

We all care about what we bring up.

Not all.

You going to respond to my post about Mike refusing to have Thibbs on his staff in PHX?

Intrigued by how you're going to defend that decision.

 

[sea manup]

I look at it this way. If you want to say both are one side centric coaches fine, the difference is to me, historically one's philosophy has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level, one has not. There has never been a team that has completely ignored or minimized the defensive end of the floor and won a title, if I'm missing one, please correct me.

Difference is Thibs being an elite defensive coach is more valuable than Mike being an elite offensive coach, because one is intensively more difficult to teach and instill in a team, everybody wants to shoot and score points, not everyone wants to play intense defense every night.

im not sure only playing defense and refusing to score is a strategy that has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level

i play pick up basketball from time to time so i know what im talking about when i say that to win a basketball game you have to SCORE more points than the other team

 

[CP1708]

We all care about what we bring up.

Not all.

You going to respond to my post about Mike refusing to have Thibbs on his staff in PHX?

Intrigued by how you're going to defend that decision.

No need to defend. If Kerr wanted him, and Mike said no, that's on Mike. I don't know why, or how that all went down.

But 2007, to 2014, maybe Mike would recognize a second chance, and ask LA to try and land Thibbs, if he were let go. (I don't really think the Bulls are cutting Thibbs loose, but if they did....)


If I had to judge on the outside, Sarver, Kerr, and Mike were not on the same page, at all. Maybe that was Mike fighting back. You two sell all my players, **** you and your "assistant coach".

The next year, Kerr scrapped Mike's offense, and brought in Shaq's old ***, which did nothing but ruin the Suns even more. Sounds to me like Kerr's **** you back Mike.

In the end, Sarver's pockets stayed full, and no young talent was developed behind the older guys. A complete failure by that front office, on a team that was VERY close to winning a title.

 

[CP1708]

I look at it this way. If you want to say both are one side centric coaches fine, the difference is to me, historically one's philosophy has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level, one has not. There has never been a team that has completely ignored or minimized the defensive end of the floor and won a title, if I'm missing one, please correct me.

Difference is Thibs being an elite defensive coach is more valuable than Mike being an elite offensive coach, because one is intensively more difficult to teach and instill in a team, everybody wants to shoot and score points, not everyone wants to play intense defense every night.

That's why Doug Collins and the 6ers, and the Wizards and their no name coach are wiping the Bulls out in round 1's.

 

[MVP]

im not sure only playing defense and refusing to score is a strategy that has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level

i play pick up basketball from time to time so i know what im talking about when i say that to win a basketball game you have to SCORE more points than the other team

It's not him wanting to refuse to score, he doesn't have any scorers on their team now. But historically teams who have won chips in the NBA have been good to great defensive teams, it's been a prerequisite forever.

You have to score points, but sometimes you're offense is going to be off and you have to have something to keep you in games.

 

[licensed to ball]

We all care about what we bring up.

Not all.

You going to respond to my post about Mike refusing to have Thibbs on his staff in PHX?

Intrigued by how you're going to defend that decision.

No need to defend. If Kerr wanted him, and Mike said no, that's on Mike. I don't know why, or how that all went down.

But 2007, to 2014, maybe Mike would recognize a second chance, and ask LA to try and land Thibbs, if he were let go. (I don't really think the Bulls are cutting Thibbs loose, but if they did....)


If I had to judge on the outside, Sarver, Kerr, and Mike were not on the same page, at all. Maybe that was Mike fighting back. You two sell all my players, **** you and your "assistant coach".

The next year, Kerr scrapped Mike's offense, and brought in Shaq's old ***, which did nothing but ruin the Suns even more. Sounds to me like Kerr's **** you back Mike.

In the end, Sarver's pockets stayed full, and no young talent was developed behind the older guys. A complete failure by that front office, on a team that was VERY close to winning a title.

Not a bad response my man. Surprised to say this but I'm honest, Not bad at all.

I don't respect Mikes decision even if it was a F You. If he wanted to win instead of make a statement he would of made the right decision.

However. I can concur with you that the front office really did screw things up shortly after. Both parties really F'ed that whole situation up.

 

[sea manup]

 

im not sure only playing defense and refusing to score is a strategy that has been proven to be conducive to winning on the highest level

i play pick up basketball from time to time so i know what im talking about when i say that to win a basketball game you have to SCORE more points than the other team

It's not him wanting to refuse to score, he doesn't have any scorers on their team now. But historically teams who have won chips in the NBA have been good to great defensive teams, it's been a prerequisite forever.

You have to score points, but sometimes you're offense is going to be off and you have to have something to keep you in games.

"its not dantoni refusing to play defense, he doesnt have any defenders on his team now."

 

[MVP]

That's why Doug Collins and the 6ers, and the Wizards and their no name coach are wiping the Bulls out in round 1's.

They lost their only scorer, Rose, in the 1st game of that series and still were competitive in every game that series with zero offense. The Wizards play damn good defense too, again Bulls don't have anybody to put the ball in the hoop. Like you want to blame PHX's front office for all Mike's shortcomings, Bulls have handicapped Thibs too by getting rid of all the players that could put the ball in the hoop for them.

 

[darthska]

 
there is no way anyone can say thibs is clearly a better coach than dantoni

half of this thread would have killed themselves over the course of the season if we had thibs coaching

watching these bums lose every game while struggling to score 70 points 

I'm w/ that, L2B.

You obviously know I'm w/ you on the anti-MDA argument, but I'm not riding w/ the "Thibbs would crap all over MDA" vibe.

Thibbs ain't great, bro. The fuel to the current Rose-less Bulls is the reigning DPOY.

 

[sea manup]

 

That's why Doug Collins and the 6ers, and the Wizards and their no name coach are wiping the Bulls out in round 1's.

They lost their only scorer, Rose, in the 1st game of that series and still were competitive in every game that series with zero offense. The Wizards play damn good defense too, again Bulls don't have anybody to put the ball in the hoop. Like you want to blame PHX's front office for all Mike's shortcomings, Bulls have handicapped Thibs too by getting rid of all the players that could put the ball in the hoop for them.

why is being competitive with the 6ers and wizards considered an accomplishment? 

 

[MVP]

"its not dantoni refusing to play defense, he doesnt have any defenders on his team now."

I'm not even talking about with the Lakers, I know the personnel isn't here. And if we get Love or whoever, it still won't be. When he was in his heydey with PHX, he still refused to put an emphasis on that end of floor, his philosophy was "7 sec or less" and to try to outscore your opponent. Those Suns teams were average at best defensively and that simply isn't good enough to win in the NBA.

 

[sea manup]

 

"its not dantoni refusing to play defense, he doesnt have any defenders on his team now."

I'm not even talking about with the Lakers, I know the personnel isn't here. And if we get Love or whoever, it still won't be. When he was in his heydey with PHX, he still refused to put an emphasis on that end of floor, his philosophy was "7 sec or less" and to try to outscore your opponent. Those Suns teams were average at best defensively and that simply isn't good enough to win in the NBA.

his best defenses were ranked way higher than any of thibs best offenses 

 

[CP1708]

Could someone please give me the name of the Wizards coach????

 

[licensed to ball]

I get what he's saying. You're right, maybe saying he'd "crap all over mda" was an unnecessary exaggeration.

But why would anyone be so quick to assume that we would be struggle scoring as badly as the Bulls? LOOK AT WHO THEY HAVE. Zero players who can create their own shots.

They had one last year in Nate, and look at how they gave Miami problems for the first few games of that series. Obviously the better team prevailed, but with only ONE go to scorer... Who I should say wasn't even close to 6 feet talk... They pushed and brought the best out of Miami. They made them WORK. With NO SCORERS.

You really think with a Carmelo or even a Derozan (who I'm not a fan of, but I'm using as an example of a SG who bad shooting % or not has the ability to create buckets) they'd still be struggling at 70 points a night? Jimmy Butler and Taj Gibson are their go to swingmen.

If Thibbs had a healthy Xavier, Swaggy, Pau, Farmar, Blake (prior to the trade), Jordan Hill, Kendall Marshall to create, along with a healthy Kobe you really think they'd be scoring 70 a night like that bulls team?

Defensively we got a bunch of scrubs obviously. But talking POINTS. You really think with Thibbs these young players who we have who can obviously put the ball in the hoop in spurts would only be held to 70 a night?

C'mon man.

We might not have been contending for a title, maybe not even playoffs... but I can assure you with these young players who can score on our squad we wouldn't be as bad as 27-55 scoring 70 points a night either.

 

[pmatic]

Uhm CP I think you're not realizing that Mike had the opportunity to hire Thibbs as his defensive assistant in PHX and said no.

Literally. He said, NO.

Kerr had it all set up when he was running the show. Mike refused to hire Thibbs, stubbornly proclaiming that he didn't need a defensive assistant.

That's when things started to get tense between Kerr and Mike, and everything went downhill for both of them shortly after.

I'm surprised neither I or anyone else has brought this up earlier in all of our Mike debates.

This is one reason why I hate the guy so much. He was literally being handed Thibbs as an assistant ON A SILVER PLATTER by Kerr and he REFUSED.

Yet you guys defend him and say "if he only had more help." Uhm. He could have. But he said no...

Maybe that gives you a better idea of why I resent him so much. That's beyond being stubborn. that's why I cringe when you say "if he had more pieces"... He could of had the best defensive coach in the league on the team but he said no. Who knows what else this guy stubbornly rejected behind closed doors. He's not open to new ideas. He's all about his way.

Pretty ironic you mentioned it. Even more ironic that my stupid *** has never mentioned it.

I wouldn't be thrilled with someone on the bench ready to take my job as soon as there's any cracks showing.

 

[sea manup]

i dont see how anyone can say chicago only has one guy who can score the basketball when dantoni has taken a group of unwanted scraps and turned everyone into respectable scorers.

but we are going to give thibs a pass for only having one guy who can score a basketball while dantoni is supposed to get pau gasol to play defense 

 

[sea manup]

If Thibbs had a healthy Xavier, Swaggy, Pau, Farmar, Blake (prior to the trade), Jordan Hill, Kendall Marshall to create, along with a healthy Kobe you really think they'd be scoring 70 a night like that bulls team?
 

what were any of these people doing before playing for dantoni?

you talk about these bums as if they are some rare group of offensive talent