How the hell is the NBA a bad product?

Kobe4MVP12 said:
651akathePaul said:
Isn't this thread about the NBA? Why is anyone even bringing up the MLB or NFL for that matter?

People get too defensive when someone says something "bad" about the NBA and feel the need to attack another sport. Stupid.
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Because a lot of the dudes who are giving these criticisms about the NBA are fans of sports where there league suffers from the same things (mostly MLB). Yet, they turn a blind eye to that. How does that make sense?
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The two sports are completely different and shouldn't be judged on the same plane. No way no how. Baseball games are outings. Basketball games are short events.

By attacking another sport, it just looks bad to me. I think baseball has problems and I think the NFL is creating way more problems than it thinks, but that's not what this thread is about. You can't tell me that there's not this petty little NT war between MLB fans and NBA fans on here. It's so stupid. Someone will start a thread appreciating baseball and someone has to come in and **** on it and vice versa. It's so childish and annoying. You don't see me going into the soccer threads saying how much I dislike the sport. I digress....It's just annoying and doesn't help a damn thing.
 
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Big J 33 said:
Fans of smaller market teams seem to want rookie contracts to last an automatic ten years.. with an option for another 5 years after that :lol:

You get them cheap for a few years, you get to offer them the most money due to restricted free agency, thus giving you an advantage over other teams. What else do you want?

And the "You're getting paid millions to play basketball" is all relative when these franchises are selling for half a billion and are generating incredible amounts of money for the team and city. Look at what Lebron brought to Cleveland when he was there.

There will always be great teams and bad teams.. it's the nature of the sport when one superstar player can bring you to the playoffs.. and a couple great players make you a contender. If you don't have one of those elite players or a solid/good group of players, your team will struggle.

Should we do a fantasy draft every few years, just to make sure the talent is evenly distributed? If your franchise is bad, if your management sucks, no amount of rules, caps, contract restrictions, will change a great player from leaving... it'll just be delayed. Indiana, OKC, San Antonio, Portland, all have top records in the league to go along with bigger markets like LA and Miami. If we want to see the talent is too watered down, then that's one thing. Too many teams, not enough elite players, I get that. Unfortunately, I don't think contraction will work or be fair.

But the complaint that the players have too much power? Nah.. not buying it. They've always had power, it's just maybe they're more willing to wield it. Franchise not going where you want it to? Management fails to build around you properly? Go somewhere that will do it better. Same thing as any other job. Doesn't matter if you get paid 25k or 25 million.
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Good post, and while I agree completely - bottom line is there isn't enough talent to go around in the league.

Not enough star players to allocate to teams.

Just look at the previous 3 or 4 draft classes. There's only been about one to three star players that can really lift a team to the next level.

Free agency aside, part of the problem is drafting real star talent - the other half is keeping it.

You'll get a LBJ or KD once every 10 years. That's not enough to keep teams afloat or fans interested.
 
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Animal Thug said:
You keep my city in your mouth more than I do son.

You're life is miserable. I can feel it

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Word, cause I'm the one who is really crying about other people's salary. Your anus was personally fitted for LeBron for about half-a-decade, now you parade around here like an ex-lover. Be real with yourself man, its ok.

The NBA is about stars, and will continue to be. People pay to see about 15-20 guys play basketball pretty much. That's what people puts in the seats. Ain't no way those guys will ever have their options limited.
 
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Niketalk is the place saying anything bad about the NBA will get folks butthurt; it's cult like on here

The NBA is terrible compared to the 80's and 90's but at least it's slightly better than the early 00's

MLB has it's fair share of issues but this isn't about the MLB
 
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651akathePaul said:
The two sports are completely different and shouldn't be judged on the same plane. No way no how. Baseball games are outings. Basketball games are short events.

By attacking another sport, it just looks bad to me. I think baseball has problems and I think the NFL is creating way more problems than it thinks, but that's not what this thread is about. You can't tell me that there's not this petty little NT war between MLB fans and NBA fans on here. It's so stupid. Someone will start a thread appreciating baseball and someone has to come in and **** on it and vice versa. It's so childish and annoying. You don't see me going into the soccer threads saying how much I dislike the sport. I digress....It's just annoying and doesn't help a damn thing.
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This is partially my fault for bringing things up.  Its just tiresome when an NBA fan complains about the length of a baseball season, when year after year, NBA seasons last longer (calendar wise) than an MLB season. 
 
I wasn't trying to attack Kobe4MVP personally, I just came to the thread late and it was one of the first posts I read. I had a feeling this was started earlier, but it's a recurring theme. I'm one who prefers to actually debate things, so when the topic gets so sidetracked into a pissing match, it becomes pointless.

The NBA is crap in my opinion and I'll watch it all the time. Shame on me I suppose, but it leaves so much to be desired that it's just sad that we fans aren't being given what I think the NBA can be.
 
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651akathePaul said:
The two sports are completely different and shouldn't be judged on the same plane. No way no how. Baseball games are outings. Basketball games are short events.

By attacking another sport, it just looks bad to me. I think baseball has problems and I think the NFL is creating way more problems than it thinks, but that's not what this thread is about. You can't tell me that there's not this petty little NT war between MLB fans and NBA fans on here. It's so stupid. Someone will start a thread appreciating baseball and someone has to come in and **** on it and vice versa. It's so childish and annoying. You don't see me going into the soccer threads saying how much I dislike the sport. I digress....It's just annoying and doesn't help a damn thing.
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I see where you are coming from.. and I agree. But, it is only natural in a thread where we are looking at the NBA as a product to be compared to it's main competitors such as the MLB. Plus, like dland said, he brought it up, it's his fault :lol:
 
I stopped watching basketball (college & pro) years ago... Too many PGs don't know how to run a half court offense, too many guards don't have a decent mid range J, big men with terrible footwork that also can't play with their back to the basket. Fundamentals/skills have greatly deteriorated & coaches don't teach them much anymore, especially in the college game. Those coaches are under so much pressure to win, they teach their systems & that's it. Same thing with pro & college football (you can throw baseball in there too).
 
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I stopped watching basketball (college & pro) years ago... Too many PGs don't know how to run a half court offense, too many guards don't have a decent mid range J, big men with terrible footwork that also can't play with their back to the basket. Fundamentals/skills have greatly deteriorated & coaches don't teach them much anymore, especially in the college game. Those coaches are under so much pressure to win, they teach their systems & that's it. Same thing with pro & college football (you can throw baseball in there too).
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these owners and ADs dont have time. coaches get canned in a couple yrs. most of these kids arent even nba ready. they sit on the bench and not develop. the nbdl actually does a good job in giving opportunities for them to develop and get some real minutes. but coaches really dont have the time in the nba
 
That's another conversation -- to come up with determing factors in order to contract teams. Either way, cities will be hurt, but it's better for the overall game.
 
The more and more I look at it, I'm really starting to think incompetent management and ownership is one of the bigger problems.

Look at one of the reasons the last lockout happened. Owners got butthurt at their own stupid mistakes. No one forced them to sign guys like joe Johnson and Rashard Lewis to salary cap crushing max contracts.

The big market, small market thing is an issue but at the same time you have a team like the spurs who contends regularly and wins titles. You have an okc where the thunder got their best player to commit long term. (Granted kd is a more humble down to earth guy). But the constant between these two teams is a good gm. Spurs have good ownership, not really sure how good of an owner clay Bennett is but San presti is a good gm.

You have the Knicks who play in the biggest market yet have been ran embarassingly and the result has been no championship in 41 years.

Some players will want to leave for a place like LA or Miami if given the chance regardless if they have a good team and gm with a plan around them because winning isn't their number 1 priority. There's nothing you can do about that, but do you really want to build around a guy like that to begin with.

Its debatable but perhaps lebron stays if the cavs actually put a decent team around him. Maybe if they trade the great jj hickson for amare in 2010 they win a title, maybe if between 06-10 they didn't worry about if lebron would leave and just built a decent team and put talent around him he stays and they win titles.

Perhaps if the magic aren't stuck cap wise due to Rashard Lewis's contract, they build on a feel good 2009 finals run and improve the team rather then starting to decline by the 2010-11 season.

I spoke about "dead franchises" in my last post. In 2000 the mavs were a dead franchise until mark Cuban totally changed the culture of that organization. Put a decent owner who's main purpose of owning the team is to win in a place like Milwaukee or New Orleans and perhaps it changes the culture and mindset of that organization.

The lack of parody and the fact that only 9 different organizations have won a title in a 34 year span is a problem, but the more I think about it, I'm really starting to wonder how much of a role bad ownership and management plays in this lack of parody.
 
NY Mavurs said:
Atlanta

Most people who go there cheer for the other team
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Atlanta is probably the worst sports city in the country. Braves playoff games don't sell out, neither do the hawks. They lost their nhl team twice to Canada. The interest in the falcons is minimal when their not winning.
 
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