How the hell is the NBA a bad product?

CP1708 said:
651akathePaul said:
Exactly...Which makes it a worse product than it can be, which was exactly what Kerr was alluding to in that quote on the last page. It's going to take a complete overhaul to make the NBA better and I don't think people are 1. willing to accept that, but 2. willing to actually do it.
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The NBA doesn't need to be made "better". The game evolves, the same as the NFL is doing right now.

The NFL getting "better" with all their bull **** right now?

MLB just now starting up instant replays.

Hockey now is not even close to hockey when Gretzky was skating.


Leagues evolve. The NBA is about to have one of the best draft classes in a decade, and people *****ing about needing to improve fundamentals and teamwork. :rolleyes
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We're talking the NBA. I already said over and over I don't like some of the things the NFL is doing. And while they'll make their money...It doesn't mean they are giving the fans and everyone the best possible product they could. There's a huge fundamental difference in that line of thinking.

One draft clase...One. Surrounded by many years of crap and dissapointment. Spare with the CP condescension. It's a differeing opinion. Deal with it.

You say it's okay and evolving. I say it's ok but could be much much better. I don't think I'm wrong at all. And when we've been watching crap for the past month. No way around that.
 
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shoeking2101 said:
My thing is, show me where exactly are people saying it's a bad product?

I know the NBA has it's fair share of detractors and that's fine, I mean it does have things and issues that it can improve upon.

However, who's actually saying it's a "bad" product? As I stated, the NBA has never been more popular, and all signs point to it only becoming larger and larger amongst the casual consumer.
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This. Are we arguing bad product vs actual game play? Seems like the line is blurred a bit. You're right, the NBA now has never been more popular due to increased revenue streams and social media. That's why contraction is almost impossible. 
 
Move the Hawks or Bucks to Seattle.

Move the Pelicans, T-Wolves or Grizzles to the east.

This needs to be done imo.
 
The NFL has rule changes that are completely changing the sport. Injuries like no other sport. PED’s like crazy, while everyone looks the other way. But fantasy sports, and gambling keep the league “healthy” from a love and viewership standpoint. Meanwhile, we have poor tackling, running games in decline, so many rules that most corners can’t even cover anymore, QB’s that could wear led boots and still not be allowed to be touched, they want to add yet another playoff team, which really only helps the #1 seed with their bye week, they want to add more games to the season (ironic) and that sport is “fine”.

MLB just went thru the worst PED scandal in sports history. Pitchers are blowing out elbows at rates never before seen. Ballparks get smaller and smaller to generate homeruns that players can’t hit anymore because they are off those PED’s, you only get like 1-2 rookies a year that really capture the landscape and imagination. Like Trout, Puig, Harper, Stras, etc, in a 5 year span. And even with the minor leagues, you still have guys take 2-3-4 years to develop and contribute at the Major league level.

But the NBA is the league that needs fixing. :rolleyes Every year, someone wants to widen the lane, or move back (or in) the 3 point line, or create a 4 point shot, or let’s do this, that, the other, blah blah blah. Meanwhile, the game stays relatively the same, the dimensions don’t change, only the ability of the players, the league is trying to crack down on the flopping, the talent pool is much more full than it was in the mid to late 90’s, they are looking at how to help teams that finish 10 games over .500 reach the playoffs over teams that finish 8 games below .500, and the biggest injury bug is of course the ACL and we only see a couple of those a year compared to Tommy John surgery’s, or the ACL’s you see in the NFL every single week.

So again, what makes the NBA need so much fixing, compared to the other sports?
 
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If the NBA had a hard cap and non-guaranteed contracts like the NFL it would be a lot better because these terrible front offices would get rescued from bad contracts. The NFL has a ton of bad management, but because newly hired FOs can extinguish a lot of the bad that the previous group did it ameliorates the issue.
 
Not reading. Don't care about the other sports. Strictly NBA. And I've listed and highlighted things I think can be improved to make the league better/more competitive. Evolution isn't always progressively making things better. It can work the other way too. I don't get what's getting under people's skin. Yes, everything is fine and the NBA will still make money and have followers, but what's that got to do with a discussion on what people think will make it even better and more enjoyable? Do not get what's so hard to understand here.

You either have to be an MLB fan or a racist I guess, if you comment on things you think could make the NBA better. That's what this thread has just boiled down to due all the insight of our lovely NT posters.
 
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beh235 said:
This. Are we arguing bad product vs actual game play? Seems like the line is blurred a bit. You're right, the NBA now has never been more popular due to increased revenue streams and social media. That's why contraction is almost impossible. 
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Exactly. That's a good point you brought up. What are we arguing about? The play or the success of the product? Because the latter is doing just fine compared to the MLB and while the NFL from a consumerist standpoint is far ahead of both the MLB and the NBA, the NBA still has the most polarizing athletes that sports have to offer.

I think the bottom line here is that while the NBA could use some tweaking and fixing, I don't know that I would classify it as "needing" tweaking or it being a "bad" product. It's thriving right now by almost all metrics that can be used to measure it and I personally love where the game is at. All leagues will always need some tweaking or improvements that need to be made, but the NBA is really just fine and I think they are doing a great job of maximizing the potential behind the product and at the same time creating a product that is both entertaining, and successful.

Who would have thought that we would live to see a time where people watched the NBA Finals before the World Series? NBA is doing great.
 
651akathePaul said:
Not reading. Don't care about the other sports. Strictly NBA. And I've listed and highlighted things I think can be improved to make the league better/more competitive. Evolution isn't always progressively making things better. It can work the other way too. I don't get what's getting under people's skin. Yes, everything is fine and the NBA will still make money and have followers, but what's that got to do with a discussion on what people think will make it even better and more enjoyable? Do not get what's so hard to understand here.

You either have to an MLB fan or a racist I guess in order to comment on things you think could make the NBA better. That's what this thread has just boiled down to due all the insight of our lovely NT posters.
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Do you watch the NBA?

Honest question.

Not being flippant, asking honestly cuz I don't know your NBA level of viewing.
 
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the only thing i hate about basketball is the same team wins all the time unlike any other sport you dont know who will win... but i still think basketball>football for me... i just hate the constant stopping for every down but again thats just me
 
VICTOR PAGE said:
What's the point of conferences and divisions if the playoffs are best 16 teams? There'd be a heap of scheduling and traveling issues that would pop up. You'd have to reconfigure the entire system of how games are played. Competitive balance is always going to fluctuate. Deal with it.

Too many people live in the moment. Word to people saying teams like the Bucks, Sixers, etc. should be contracted. These are teams that were perennial playoff squads not that long ago. Should we contract the Lakers and the Knicks too? Did we all forget the Clippers were trash for most of their existence?
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The Knicks shouldn't at all be contracted
 
If ever a possibility, which teams from the east and west would be contracted - hypothetically speaking?

Let's say 2 teams from each conference..
 
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CP: All the damn time. Now, this month is different because it's redundant **** on the court except for a game here and there. I'm ready for the playoffs and have been for a month.

Shoeking: For me it's about on the court. All the major sports will make money and guys like me will always watch. I just sincerely believe what we watch can be much better.
 
I suggest you guys pull up some footage of entire NBA games from the 80s. The level of speed & athleticism is so terrible.

At the end of the day, we're just spoiled. The level of basketball globally is better than it has ever been before. It seems like offenses are struggling more but people never account for the freak athletes that the NBA now has become known for. Today's players close out faster, can cover more space, and are a terror in the passing lanes. It's nice to imagine that every player in the 90s was a Scottie type defender or that every center had Hakeem like moves, but let's be serious.

Just compare international competition from 1988 or 1992 to today. It's not even close.
 
I wish the NBA (and MLB) followed the NFL and soccer in terms of only having one game per week. There's just too many games in a year, IMO it takes away from the excitement and importance of each game. Playoffs should be cut down as well
 
651akathePaul said:
Shoeking: For me it's about on the court. All the major sports will make money and guys like me will always watch. I just sincerely believe what we watch can be much better.
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That's fair. But IMO, it'll always be like that. No matter what we improve on, there will always be something that needs to be tweaked, or something that could be done in order for the product that we watch to be better. But I don't think those deficiencies should take away from the fantastic product that is on display right now.
 
651, I went back a few pages to pull your specific concerns. (I was late to this thread on the invite from KobeMVP)

If I have them right, you have listed:

Better/more competitive
Less polished rookies
Too many teams-Dilluted
Fundamentals/team strategy
Contraction, as many as 6 teams. 6? :wow:


Are there any others, did I miss any? I went back about 5 pages, not sure if you replied before that.

Also, I saw you mentioned NBA fans vs MLB fans, etc. Understand, I am a fan of both, NFL too, so I’m not that guy. I’m merely discussing issues within all 3, as a way of making my point is all.
 
To all the people talking about only 9 teams have won championships in the last 34 years in the NBA I'd like to point that e same percentage of NFL teams had won Super Bowls in the previous 34 years until the Saints and Seahawks broke through.

Also you people saying that the NBA was better in 80's and 90's yet then bring up the lack of parity are contradicting yourselves.
 
I'll agree to both of you that I'm living in a fantasy wanting to have certain specifics changed to my liking, but that's what I thought this thread was about. I know we can add more depth to things I mentioned and realize there's bigger issues at play that probably won't even be touched, but I'm interpreting this thread as "how can the NBA be better."
 
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there was also no internet in the 80s and 90s

so people didnt read other people complaining
 
SneakerPro said:
To all the people talking about only 9 teams have won championships in the last 34 years in the NBA I'd like to point that e same percentage of NFL teams had won Super Bowls in the previous 34 years until the Saints and Seahawks broke through.

Also you people saying that the NBA was better in 80's and 90's yet then bring up the lack of parity are contradicting yourselves.
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That's what people say about everything "it was better in the 90s" :rolleyes
 
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