Fast food workers protest for $15 minimum wage.

boxer15 said:
GrimlocK said:
Stop talking out of your *** again dude.

If you never worked in a McDonalds then you don't know what group is the exception and who are the rule or standard employee that works at a McDonalds.

Who told you people feel entitled? The internet? Word of mouth?

Things are a struggle and people want to relieve some of that burden the struggle brings with it and your wailing "Hey, everyone should struggle like me and my girl and her family did"

Get off that high horse son. Your the exception, not the rule.
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You're interpreting it the way you want to, nobody is wailing. I'm giving examples from my own experiences because everybody always demands some example of how you can understand. Just like you are with saying I haven't worked at McDonald's I wouldn't know.

Get out of here with all of that. I told you dude, nothing anybody does to get through a struggle is a big deal. It's called life, some people aren't cut out for it. Doesn't mean it's society's responsibility to pick up their slack.

If you have a job that doesn't even require a high school diploma and are upset at not getting bank, it's not the employers fault.

I'm done discussing this with you, it's pointless.

Hopefully your dreams of a McDonald's backed welfare state in America comes through and fixes everything. If not, communism would be a good way to balance everything out too
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How old are you dude? This gotta be the most naive post in this thread.

"nothing anybody does to get through a struggle is a big deal" ....explain that to me.

Your coming from an educational standpoint, i'm coming from a skilled experience standpoint. If you do your job well you should get compensated for it if it's flipping burgers, managing a team, hauling furniture, or whatever that covers your growing skill in that environment.

This woman I used in my example didn't look for any handouts. She stayed in the pocket because multiple things were working against that I didn't even mention.

Like I said before if you were dealt the same cards as fast-food industry workers or any disenfranchised worker in this country is now, you'd be the one fighting for that $15 too.

Here's what I want you to do, I want you to go work at McDonalds for a month and then come back and tell me how it went

or

take some time and mature a bit then come back to this thread and read your replies over again and pm me with what you think.

here's some advice....don't equate a raise in wage as a handout. People are still working for that money right? are they gonna be at home flipping burgers and mailing them to the McDonalds? How the hell is society picking up the slack if fast-food workers are protesting an increase in wage? You gonna go work there if they strike?

The **** are you guys talking about?
 
GrimlocK said:
How old are you dude? This gotta be the most naive post in this thread.

"nothing anybody does to get through a struggle is a big deal" ....explain that to me.

Your coming from an educational standpoint, i'm coming from a skilled experience standpoint. If you do your job well you should get compensated for it if it's flipping burgers, managing a team, hauling furniture, or whatever that covers your growing skill in that environment.

This woman I used in my example didn't look for any handouts. She stayed in the pocket because multiple things were working against that I didn't even mention.

Like I said before if you were dealt the same cards as fast-food industry workers or any disenfranchised worker in this country is now, you'd be the one fighting for that $15 too.

Here's what I want you to do, I want you to go work at McDonalds for a month and then come back and tell me how it went

or

take some time and mature a bit then come back to this thread and read your replies over again and pm me with what you think.

here's some advice....don't equate a raise in wage as a handout. People are still working for that money right? are they gonna be at home flipping burgers and mailing them to the McDonalds? How the hell is society picking up the slack if fast-food workers are protesting an increase in wage? You gonna go work there if they strike?

The **** are you guys talking about?
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Age has nothing to do with it and I am likely older than you.

My statement about struggle was an exaggeration, people often do incredible things to overcome struggle. However, making low wages for unskilled labor isn't always something that equates a struggle.

You keep talking about cards dealt. These folks weren't born into slavery at Mickey Dees, bro.

Pay based on the skill of flipping burgers? That's hilarious. I propose $45 an hour for the top level burger engineers at McDonald's at once.

Call me immature all you want, you're the naive one if you think paying somebody unjustified wages for legitimately unskilled labor will fix anything.

Reread your own replies and reasoning or just accept we have two different perspectives. Paying people more for unskilled labor isn't the answer, if you really want to help, fight to get them trained with a real skill.
 
GrimlocK said:
How old are you dude? This gotta be the most naive post in this thread.

"nothing anybody does to get through a struggle is a big deal" ....explain that to me.

Your coming from an educational standpoint, i'm coming from a skilled experience standpoint. If you do your job well you should get compensated for it if it's flipping burgers, managing a team, hauling furniture, or whatever that covers your growing skill in that environment.

This woman I used in my example didn't look for any handouts. She stayed in the pocket because multiple things were working against that I didn't even mention.

Like I said before if you were dealt the same cards as fast-food industry workers or any disenfranchised worker in this country is now, you'd be the one fighting for that $15 too.

Here's what I want you to do, I want you to go work at McDonalds for a month and then come back and tell me how it went

or

take some time and mature a bit then come back to this thread and read your replies over again and pm me with what you think.

here's some advice....don't equate a raise in wage as a handout. People are still working for that money right? are they gonna be at home flipping burgers and mailing them to the McDonalds? How the hell is society picking up the slack if fast-food workers are protesting an increase in wage? You gonna go work there if they strike?

The **** are you guys talking about?
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Don't feel. Think.

The answer to that last questions is obvious. Mcdonald's is unskilled labor. If they quit or strike there are countless individuals who would gladly step into their roles.

Strikes are only truly effective if you're not easily replaced, ie if you are skilled labor for which it would take your employer months to retrain a workforce or your work requires professional or legal certification that it would take would-be hires a long time to get.
 
Thug said:
If you are a manager at McD and only make 10-11 an hour then you need to demand more or if not than take your talents elsewhere. Having manager on a resume is a lot better than cashier and I find it hard to believe other companies would turn that down.

The company took advantage of her but she shouldn't have waited for handouts. No manager or even asst manager should be making 10-11 and if she asked for more from her boss and was denied then she needed to look for other opportunities
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if you recall awhile well wasn't to long ago Walmart would severely underpay (that's even when they gave the a chance cause for a while they didn't) women who were shift leaders, dept managers etc... And if they did try to go elsewhere Walmart would basically do everything but say they stole and besmirched their character to other employers.

I know that there is a law in place that supposedly preventing this (although I call bs on this for a few reasons) But what about ppl who are in a position like this? And yes this happens fairly often...more often then it is talked about. 
 
My first job was bk... In retrospect, I'm glad they didnt just give me $15/hr (or what ever "high" rate you want to say)

Making pennies motivated me... I was 16 and I was determined the hardest working employee in that joint and make my way "up"

Employee of the month almost every month

age 19 got a temp job working at Google

fast forward to now and I live very comfortably now, financially working in the technology industry.

Life is a grind... I didnt like making beans... so i worked my butt off until i got to where Im at now... and im gonna continue to expand my skill set and make myself more valuable... I hate when people act like the solution to getting more is doing less/nothing :smh:
 
DJYoung08 said:
I hate when people act like the solution to getting more is doing less/nothing
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or doing the exact same thing they are already doing.
 
nawghtyhare said:
what about the peeps who are doing whats required of the job but the pay isnt reflective of it
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Meh we can get caught up into all kinds of special situations.

For the sake of the thread topic and having worked in fast food for 3 years...

The pay is very much reflective of is required of fast food workers.
 
^^ according to you

Bottom line is $7.25 is ****** pay. I don't care how unskilled you deem the work to be, all employees deserve to make something they can live somewhat comfortably with. $15 is absurd, $10 is fair.
 
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tay1 said:
^^ according to you

Bottom line is $7.25 is ****** pay. I don't care how unskilled you deem the work to be, all employees deserve to make something they can live somewhat comfortably with. $15 is absurd, $10 is fair.
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Entry level fast food jobs aren't meant to provide livable income. Just like many other entry level jobs. A person doesn't just deserve* to get higher than federal and state minimum wage simply because they exist. :lol:
 
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DJYoung08 said:
Entry level fast food jobs aren't meant to provide livable income. Just like many other entry level jobs. A person doesn't just deserve* to get higher than federal and state minimum wage simply because they exist. :lol:
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Federal minimum wage should be $10 period, not just for McDonalds employees.
 
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tay1 said:
Federal minimum wage should be $10 period, not just for McDonalds employees.
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That doesn't solve the problem either.

Forcing companies to pay more =/= everyone getting paid more.

Forcing companies to pay more = the people who don't laid off getting paid more.

Min wage in my state is $8/hr.... I'm downsizing by 1-2 employees if I have to pay out 10/hr.
-Saves my small company a few bucks
- It breeds harder workers due to the competitive nature of wanting to keep your job

But that doesn't do a whole lot to the 1-2 people who were unhappy w/ making 8/hr, did a crap job, and lost their job due to budget increases... At least I don't think it does :lol:
 
What would truly solve the problem is to add more full time jobs instead of 75% of jobs being created be part time. But that isn't the case. Instead, more and more are having to settle for these ****** paying jobs because that's what's available
 
DJYoung08 said:
tay1 said:
Federal minimum wage should be $10 period, not just for McDonalds employees.
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That doesn't solve the problem either.

Forcing companies to pay more =/= everyone getting paid more.

Forcing companies to pay more = the people who don't laid off getting paid more.

Min wage in my state is $8/hr.... I'm downsizing by 1-2 employees if I have to pay out 10/hr.
-Saves my small company a few bucks
- It breeds harder workers due to the competitive nature of wanting to keep your job

But that doesn't do a whole lot to the 1-2 people who were unhappy w/ making 8/hr, did a crap job, and lost their job due to budget increases... At least I don't think it does :lol:
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That's the problem right there ... small mom and pops joints are excluded from this but during the boom period these large corporations were and some still are making record profits ..... a bust/barren period always follows a boom period. It's then the companies that were flourishing during the boom period that are expected to increase wages both during the boom, and at the tail end of the barren period to spur on more spending by the middle class and then in turn the lower classes... But the U.S doesn't manufacture anything anymore and not only that but companies been hoarding all the surplus cash while stagnating wages and downsizing on top of it.

Without this flow of cash mom and pops/small businesses suffer ..
 
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That'd just it, all these people protesting for higher wages for unskilled labor are being completely short sighted.

First, they are completely replacement at the current wage.

Second if the wage gets raised their hours are going to be drastically cut and it will balance out to a near equivalent in the end anyway.

Lastly, to be cynical, those with skilled labor jobs being paid fractionally more would be inclined to boycott all of those businesses and/or quit and take those easier jobs for similar pay.
 
DJYoung08 said:
My first job was bk... In retrospect, I'm glad they didnt just give me $15/hr (or what ever "high" rate you want to say)

Making pennies motivated me... I was 16 and I was determined the hardest working employee in that joint and make my way "up"

Employee of the month almost every month

age 19 got a temp job working at Google

fast forward to now and I live very comfortably now, financially working in the technology industry.

Life is a grind... I didnt like making beans... so i worked my butt off until i got to where Im at now... and im gonna continue to expand my skill set and make myself more valuable... I hate when people act like the solution to getting more is doing less/nothing :smh:
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I started getting paid $6.25 an hour I think at 16. Minimum wage shouldn't be something people are content with. Hence why it should motivate you to get some type of education or skill. But instead people wanna just complain and get paid more for a job that requires minimal skills.

It also motivated me because I also like buying nice ****, and that's not cheap. I had to find ways to better myself to be able to afford the things I wanted.
 
mr jordan04 said:
I started getting paid $6.25 an hour I think at 16. Minimum wage shouldn't be something people are content with. Hence why it should motivate you to get some type of education or skill. But instead people wanna just complain and get paid more for a job that requires minimal skills.

It also motivated me because I also like buying nice ****, and that's not cheap. I had to find ways to better myself to be able to afford the things I wanted.
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What makes you think these people aren't applying elsewhere and getting turned down? You just make it seem like if you apply, you're guaranteed a job.
 
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