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Didnt tavon tie moss for most 50+ yard tds in rookie year?

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Not for the season, but a game. I still think thats enough for showing flashes.

- Austin is the first player in NFL history to record a 95-plus yard punt return for a touchdown and a 55-plus yard touchdown reception in the same game, via NFL Communications.

- Austin is the eighth player in NFL history to score three touchdowns of at least 50 yards in the same game, via Andrew Siciliano. According to Elias, three of those players were 22 years old or younger -- Austin, Randy Moss in 1998 and Gale Sayers in 1965.
 
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Tavon and Dion Jordan, both being used by inept coaches who can't figure out how to use them properly.

(Not even speaking on Philbin-Fisher, but Schotty-Coyle)

Give Dion Jordan to Bilichick, tell me he isn't a damn problem out there. Give Tavon to McCarthy, tell me he doesn't become a weapon.

Coaching/Roles mean a lot to how players develop.
 
So why does the system has to cater to one guy for him to succeed? I said it before, flourishing in the Big 12 isn't the same as succeeding in the NFC.

Hell he's been passed by guys like Brian Quick & Stedman Bailey. Even Kenny Britt who was picked up off the streets.

Blaming the offense is one thing but if guys around him are succeeding then what's the real issue?
 
So why does the system has to cater to one guy for him to succeed? I said it before, flourishing in the Big 12 isn't the same as succeeding in the NFC.

Hell he's been passed by guys like Brian Quick & Stedman Bailey. Even Kenny Britt who was picked up off the streets.

Blaming the offense is one thing but if guys around him are succeeding then what's the real issue?

I tend to agree; it's not like he is in a terrible situation

just because it's not the best doesn't mean he can't make more plays

I would still take on him on the Eagles though :lol:
 
So why does the system has to cater to one guy for him to succeed? I said it before, flourishing in the Big 12 isn't the same as succeeding in the NFC.

Hell he's been passed by guys like Brian Quick & Stedman Bailey. Even Kenny Britt who was picked up off the streets.

Blaming the offense is one thing but if guys around him are succeeding then what's the real issue?


Bailey and Quick are flourishing? When did that happen? :lol:

And if you are going to take a player, especially in the top 10 of the draft, is it not your job to use him properly?

You don't draft Ricky Williams and make him a fullback. Or Mike Vick, and make him a pocket QB only. You build around their strengths, right?


Simple question, would Tavon right now, today, play better in Philly with Chip than he is in St Louis? What would change? Not Tavon, right, but the coaching/usage of him, right? So what does that say?
 
So why does the system has to cater to one guy for him to succeed? I said it before, flourishing in the Big 12 isn't the same as succeeding in the NFC.

Hell he's been passed by guys like Brian Quick & Stedman Bailey. Even Kenny Britt who was picked up off the streets.

Blaming the offense is one thing but if guys around him are succeeding then what's the real issue?


Bailey and Quick are flourishing? When did that happen? :lol:

And if you are going to take a player, especially in the top 10 of the draft, is it not your job to use him properly?

You don't draft Ricky Williams and make him a fullback. Or Mike Vick, and make him a pocket QB only. You build around their strengths, right?


Simple question, would Tavon right now, today, play better in Philly with Chip than he is in St Louis? What would change? Not Tavon, right, but the coaching/usage of him, right? So what does that say?

You or I don't know what he would do in Philly's offense. If he was as good as advertised he'd adjust.

If he was taken that high jut to be a slot guy then that's just a wasted pick.
 
So why does the system has to cater to one guy for him to succeed? I said it before, flourishing in the Big 12 isn't the same as succeeding in the NFC.

Hell he's been passed by guys like Brian Quick & Stedman Bailey. Even Kenny Britt who was picked up off the streets.

Blaming the offense is one thing but if guys around him are succeeding then what's the real issue?


Bailey and Quick are flourishing? When did that happen? :lol:

And if you are going to take a player, especially in the top 10 of the draft, is it not your job to use him properly?

You don't draft Ricky Williams and make him a fullback. Or Mike Vick, and make him a pocket QB only. You build around their strengths, right?


Simple question, would Tavon right now, today, play better in Philly with Chip than he is in St Louis? What would change? Not Tavon, right, but the coaching/usage of him, right? So what does that say?

You or I don't know what he would do in Philly's offense. If he was as good as advertised he'd adjust.

If he was taken that high jut to be a slot guy then that's just a wasted pick.

In all honesty, I have hope for him in St Lou, just, they need a QB. I think him, Mason, and maybe even Cook and Britt can be nice, but they need a QB that can run and throw.

Ironically, I really wanted Mariota to come out last year so they could take him at #2 and dump Bradford.

I also had high hopes for Chris Givens, not sure what happened to him, he was producing fairly well early.
 
Reading some of the posts and I feel like a lot of ppl don't really have a grasp of the issue with RG3. As a skins fan I'll try my best to break it down...

HE DOES NOT HAVE THE SKILLS AND CONFIDENCE NECESSARY TO BE A WINNING QB AT THIS TIME.

2012 was a dream year but it all seems an eternity ago now. kyle shanahan deserves all the credit, they molded the offense into nothing but Read Option and it was perfect for RG3. But to really win in this league you have to be able to be a pocket passer. And rg3, for a number of reasons, isn't one now. If you're not a great pocket passer you have to be able to at least improvise and make plays which you see Wilson doing for sea.

NO pocket awareness now, NONE. He can't scramble to make a play like you might see Wilson do all the time, the slightest sense of pocket collapsing on him and he tucks it and goes down.

He doesn't go through progressions. Hey there's a reason why deSean Jackson has had big games with big receptions in EVERY game started by Cousins or McCoy, but not when RG3 starts. Once he gets the ball he doesn't have the patience to read plays and whenever a WR down the field win their battle it doesn't matter because by then, RG3 has thrown the ball underneath to the safe 5-6yd pass just so he can get the ball out and feel good about having a completion.

No Confidence. This is tough because he's struggling mentally too.

trust me big rg3 defender for a long time but I'm very worried about his career. He's on a speedboat out of this league ala Culpeper, Vince Young, etc. someone said "no way he's a backup next year". I have no idea what that poster thinks or has seen.

I know its easy if you don't watch skins closely to just assume, hey he was awesome in 2012 surely he will turn it around. Pretty sad to say a lot of work has to go on for that to happen.

Also, not a good look for RG3 that he struggled to hold himself accountable and hasn't shown himself to be humble. One case in point, RG3 never ever gave Shanahan (Kyle) any credit at all for constructing that offense in 2012. Why do you think he was benched last season just like he was this year?! Because Shanhan, like gruden right now, is thinking let me see if I have a real QB on this roster and not just one for the gimmick offense.


If y'all watched Jets-Fins on MNF last night and saw how little confidence the coaches had for Geno to pass, that's basically what RG3 is at now. No coach, currently, would be very confident in asking him to run their offense no way. Plus it's a passing league at the moment. He will surely get a shot elsewhere down the road (he could be skins backup nxt yr) and good luck to him he needs to work on a lot of stuff though to be a relevant qb in the league.

He's a good snapshot or case study on how an NFL career ain't guaranteed and how **** can go topsy turvy in a blink. Dude struggles to pass for over 100-150 yards now man, c'mon.
 
Btw, There was a breakdown of film analyzing RG3 after the Tb game to see wtf is wrong with him. It was done on the radio but someone from the Washington Post transcribed it and even added screen caps.

HIGHLY SUGGEST checking this out. Does a damn good job showing exactly what RG3 is doing wrong with screen caps and lists countless problems with how he's playing the position.
pro football talk and several media outlets have since cited it too so the whole country/league is on notice

Edit : for some reason when I paste the link here it does to work after I submit the post. Standby.. That's annoying that the direct link won't work for some reason, but here's a link that talks about it and has a link to it.

Again if you are curious or believe RG3 should still be a starter at the moment you should check it out

http://t.co/fmu5GZdWjy
 
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Reading some of the posts and I feel like a lot of ppl don't really have a grasp of the issue with RG3. As a skins fan I'll try my best to break it down...

HE DOES NOT HAVE THE SKILLS AND CONFIDENCE NECESSARY TO BE A WINNING QB AT THIS TIME.

2012 was a dream year but it all seems an eternity ago now. kyle shanahan deserves all the credit, they molded the offense into nothing but Read Option and it was perfect for RG3. But to really win in this league you have to be able to be a pocket passer. And rg3, for a number of reasons, isn't one now. If you're not a great pocket passer you have to be able to at least improvise and make plays which you see Wilson doing for sea.

NO pocket awareness now, NONE. He can't scramble to make a play like you might see Wilson do all the time, the slightest sense of pocket collapsing on him and he tucks it and goes down.

He doesn't go through progressions. Hey there's a reason why deSean Jackson has had big games with big receptions in EVERY game started by Cousins or McCoy, but not when RG3 starts. Once he gets the ball he doesn't have the patience to read plays and whenever a WR down the field win their battle it doesn't matter because by then, RG3 has thrown the ball underneath to the safe 5-6yd pass just so he can get the ball out and feel good about having a completion.

No Confidence. This is tough because he's struggling mentally too.

trust me big rg3 defender for a long time but I'm very worried about his career. He's on a speedboat out of this league ala Culpeper, Vince Young, etc. someone said "no way he's a backup next year". I have no idea what that poster thinks or has seen.

I know its easy if you don't watch skins closely to just assume, hey he was awesome in 2012 surely he will turn it around. Pretty sad to say a lot of work has to go on for that to happen.

Also, not a good look for RG3 that he struggled to hold himself accountable and hasn't shown himself to be humble. One case in point, RG3 never ever gave Shanahan (Kyle) any credit at all for constructing that offense in 2012. Why do you think he was benched last season just like he was this year?! Because Shanhan, like gruden right now, is thinking let me see if I have a real QB on this roster and not just one for the gimmick offense.


If y'all watched Jets-Fins on MNF last night and saw how little confidence the coaches had for Geno to pass, that's basically what RG3 is at now. No coach, currently, would be very confident in asking him to run their offense no way. Plus it's a passing league at the moment. He will surely get a shot elsewhere down the road (he could be skins backup nxt yr) and good luck to him he needs to work on a lot of stuff though to be a relevant qb in the league.

He's a good snapshot or case study on how an NFL career ain't guaranteed and how **** can go topsy turvy in a blink. Dude struggles to pass for over 100-150 yards now man, c'mon.


Btw, There was a breakdown of film analyzing RG3 after the Tb game to see wtf is wrong with him. It was done on the radio but someone from the Washington Post transcribed it and even added screen caps.

HIGHLY SUGGEST checking this out. Does a damn good job showing exactly what RG3 is doing wrong with screen caps and lists countless problems with how he's playing the position.
pro football talk and several media outlets have since cited it too so the whole country/league is on notice

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...so-bad-i-cant-assess-the-rest-of-the-offense/

Good stuff.

I wanted to read the article but it's not working. Maybe it's just me.

Edit: just saw your edit :lol:
 
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Someone just posted this on Twitter and I had to do a double take: Julius Thomas has 12 TDs this season... on 40 receptions.

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That's like Jerome Bettis rushing stats as a receiver/TE.

Tim Wright...6 TDs on like 26 receptions :lol:



Pats are done , Beiber curse :lol:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...426/will-the-curse-of-bieber-rub-off-on-gronk


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if they fall apart now someone should murder this kid ... i think we might know who'll do it :lol:

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what.the.****.is.that.toronto.piece.of.****.doing.with.gronk.

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