NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

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Is it the NFL's responsibility to tailor a punishment for him to "fix his problem"?

I just don't think so. He's shown a blatant disregard for the rules, so why should he be allowed to attend the facility?
 
Not many employers look to rehabilitate and help employees which break their rules. Generally they are just punished.
 
Was it Rogers fault when he already had like 3 strikes against him in college? :lol:


I don't like Roger one bit, but this issue is in no way, shape, or form on him. It is SQUARELY on Josh Gordon.
 
do work son said:
Is it the NFL's responsibility to tailor a punishment for him to "fix his problem"?

I just don't think so. He's shown a blatant disregard for the rules, so why should he be allowed to attend the facility?
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Lol. You seem very oblivious to the situation in whole. Because being around the team facility is the biggest support structure he has right now? Or maybe since their doing the "punishing", they should also be doing the helping?

Losing his salary and not being able to play 16 games is literally MORE than enough of a punishment.
 
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I don't think some of you are grasping this situation like you should be. He deserves to be punished, the 16 games and all - but preventing him from gaining access to the biggest support structure is down right asinine and ironic to the ruling. Bottom line.
 

The NFL is not there to make him a better man. That's on the man. And to add on to that point, Josh ain't exactly out there saying he has a problem or that he needs help. He's out here blaming the NFL for not using discretion. The ban does not prohibit the Browns from helping him and finding him ways to better himself. But, again, the first step is on Josh.

This is going to be at least his 6th failed drug test since going into college. He does not think he has a problem. Hell, this guy got into two additional legal issues while they were hearing his case. This is the guy that we're going to defend? When you're on probation or waiting to hear the outcome of your case, you go out and put yourself in more precarious situations? You go out and speed with a dude in the passenger seat with weed? You go out, get wasted and hop behind the wheel? That's showing signs of wanting to change?

The league has to punish him. This is a repeated rule violation going on for years now. It is not the NFL's responsibility to make him a better man or make him learn from this. He's not a child or a teenager. His best first step right now is to man up, look in the mirror and either say "This is enough, I need to make a change" and go from there or say "**** this, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing." He is an employee breaking the rules of his employer. This is all Josh Gordon's fault. You really cannot sit here and expect them to baby him and walk him along the 12 steps to help him recover or what have you. The Browns can still help him. This suspension does not prohibit Cleveland from contacting him or aiming him in the right direction to seek help. But you're asking the impossible. You're asking them to hold his hand and take him all the way.

And again, this is not about this being just about weed Rook. This is about a guy who continuously breaks a rule set forth by the league he signed a goddamn binding agreement to and them handing out the necessary punishment.

But maybe it's just me.
 
The Steelers will be better than people realize. Haley was working with a beat up line last year and it's kinda hard to come up with a completely different gameplay when a few important guys go down in the very first game of the season. The talent is there: Antonio Brown, Blount and Bell (punishments pending), Wheaton, Moore, Ben. You can't look at that talent and say they'll continue to struggle offensively. Hell, the offense was coming into its own last year. They just need to avoid the slow starts.

As far as the defense goes, they're young. They're gonna make young mistakes. There's talent there also, might not be what it was in the past but that's a once in a generation kinda of defense. These guys are gonna take there lumps but they'll never give up.
 
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I don't think some of you are grasping this situation like you should be. He deserves to be punished, the 16 games and all - but preventing him from gaining access to the biggest support structure is down right asinine and ironic to the ruling. Bottom line.
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He's had this "support structure" since he has been in the league. I'm sure the browns and the NFL have a substance abuse program, like most places, I wonder if he tried to seek help.
 
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Animal Thug said:
I don't think some of you are grasping this situation like you should be. He deserves to be punished, the 16 games and all - but preventing him from gaining access to the biggest support structure is down right asinine and ironic to the ruling. Bottom line.
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No, it's not.

It is NOT their job to support him. Get that thru your head.

If I fail a bunch of tests, my job fires me immediately, and never blinks about it the second I leave.

He's LUCKY, he gets to come back to his job next year.

It's not a privilege, it's a JOB.


Bottom. Line.
 
I am so tired of hearing "it was only weed"

If your employer says no then don't do it or just go work at a grocery store and smoke all the damn weed you want
 
I'm tired of it being compared to Rice. Just because that suspension was asinine doesn't mean all other punishments should drop to two or less games
 
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Comparing your very basic 60,000 salary desk job to Josh Gordon's "job" and profession is literally the stupidest thing I've heard this year.

Does your job gives you a awards, Super Bowl trophies and the chance to be remembered in a place called the Hall of Fame if you succeed at what you do? If not, than your comparison from what you do for a living to what Josh Gordon's does is like saying me and the president both have to do our jobs the right way to save the world from collapsing.

Just quit the nonsense comparing. If that was the case, Ray Rice wouldn't see another day in the NFL if the NFL should treat its players the same way my job treats me.
 
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Comparing your very basic 60,000 salary desk job to Josh Gordon's "job" and profession is literally the stupidest thing I've heard this year.

Does your job gives you a awards, Super Bowl trophies and the chance to be remembered in a place called the Hall of Fame if you succeed at what you do? If not, than your comparison from what you do for a living to what Josh Gordon's does is like saying me and the president both have to do our jobs the right way to save the world from collapsing.

Just quit the nonsense comparing. If that was the case, Ray Rice wouldn't see another day in the NFL if the NFL should treat its players the same way my job treats me.
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You are literally the only guy in here defending Gordon. Dude has 7 strikes. Ray Rice has 1.

Rice has done every single thing asked of him since his issue. Josh got ARRESTED, again, barely weeks after getting strike 4-5-6 whatever he's on.

Just stop.
 
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I am so tired of hearing "it was only weed"

If your employer says no then don't do it or just go work at a grocery store and smoke all the damn weed you want
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This.

So many people want the NFL's drug policy to change about weed.  Why?  They can do whatever the hell they want in terms of their employee guidelines.

Women aren't supposed to wear open toed shoes in my office... Doing so probably wont get them fired but its in the handbook and can be enforced.  You get the handbook when you start working for the company and you should work within those guidelines.

If some borderline special teams player in the NFL tests positive he just gets kicked to the curb and no one bats an eye.  JG out here offending time after time but hes got top talent so people transform their want for him to be on the field into the NFL being big meanies about their drug policy and that they should be doing this or that to help him and keep him in the league. 
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Interestingly, beating my wife probably doesn't get me fired from my job whereas smoking weed and failing a test would...
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Josh Gordon should get different treatment for breaking the law, and rules of his profession because they give awards and have super bowl 
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:rofl: @ that simple minded logic

*DEAD* @ trophies and awards having anything to do with this
 
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Comparing your very basic 60,000 salary desk job to Josh Gordon's "job" and profession is literally the stupidest thing I've heard this year.

Does your job gives you a awards, Super Bowl trophies and the chance to be remembered in a place called the Hall of Fame if you succeed at what you do? If not, than your comparison from what you do for a living to what Josh Gordon's does is like saying me and the president both have to do our jobs the right way to save the world from collapsing.
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The way I look at it is that the NFL is being far more generous than literally any other employer would be. Giving him a 7th chance at becoming a multi-millionaire? None of this is on the NFL. The only thing that's unfair is what Josh Gordon did to the Browns and its fans.
 
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Let's be real, most of them smoke weed and drink, but you have to be smarter about it. Dude had mad chances. Time to move on.


Dat logic up there :smh:
 
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I didn't think this thread could be worse than the NBA thread, but it's getting there.

Idiots arguing about the relative value of jobs.... Ridiculous.
 
There are traits that are similar across all jobs. And the conversation has been pretty solid. No need to talk down since you don't agree with the comments. Obviously there are major differences with our employment and Josh's. But that doesn't mean there aren't commonalities because there certainly are
 
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