NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

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Reid Foster...never heard of him. And now I know why...:lol:

Sleep is always better after a good laugh...&& a damb good laugh, I just had.
 
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Carolina's defense is great largely in part to Kuechly. Elite defenses are built down the middle. DT, MLB, FS. Panthers have it except for safety. Seahawks had it with a rotational DL, Wagner, and ET.

You mentioned Burfict. Luke's coverage skills may be average, but still better in comparison. And he makes plays on instinct in coverage.

Most knowledgable football fans know Ware (healthy) and Suggs are better than Clay.

I've been one of the biggest proponents for David besides Buc Em. Even after the late-hit on Geno.

The writer hurts his credibility by arguing Davis had a better performance than Kuechly. I've watched him since Georgia and now in Carolina. Simply not true.
 
ChampCruThik said:
Carolina's defense is great largely in part to Kuechly. Elite defenses are built down the middle. DT, MLB, FS. Panthers have it except for safety. Seahawks had it with a rotational DL, Wagner, and ET.

You mentioned Burfict. Luke's coverage skills may be average, but still better in comparison. And he makes plays on instinct in coverage.

Most knowledgable football fans know Ware (healthy) and Suggs are better than Clay.

I've been one of the biggest proponents for David besides Buc Em. Even after the late-hit on Geno.

The writer hurts his credibility by arguing Davis had a better performance than Kuechly. I've watched him since Georgia and now in Carolina. Simply not true.
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So why wasn't this great defense **** until they drafted the d-tackles?

If Luke blew his knee out tomorrow Carolina would still be a top 5 defense.
 
^ Not so fast, my friend...

We finished 2012 ranked 10th in defense...which was the season before we drafted Star && KK.

If Luke didn't switch from an out-of-position Sam LB in order to fill the void at Mike after Beason got injured that year...we wouldn't have been even 30% as good on D. Trust me on that.

And we wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without Luke, let alone fielding a top 2 defense.

No guarantee at all that we don't fall below 5 with ease if we were to lose 59 this year. Just to continue along the hypothetical route...if Luke did get hurt, who's to say that Charles Johnson also doesn't get leg whipped again, && has to miss time/play at less than 100%? Or who's to say that Greg Hardy racks up 7 of his sacks in the final two games of the year again? Maybe Thomas Davis tears his ACL a fourth time...you never know. Hopefully it stays that way, too.

But, being that he's the quarterback of our defense (or, as I like to say, the Peyton Manning of defense), his loss alone would screw us horribly.

Re-watch the 2nd Saints game from last year (among other games) if you must. Every way Luke impacts && commands the defense is shown in those 60 minutes of game action. Run defense, pass coverage, pre-play adjustments, lining guys up, creating turnovers, swinging momentum. He did it all, && he does it all...even if some of those things don't show up on a stat sheet. In fact, those may be the most important ones.
 
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Toretto said:
^ Not so fast, my friend...

We finished 2012 ranked 10th in defense...which was the season before we drafted Star && KK.

If Luke didn't switch from an out-of-position Sam LB in order to fill the void at Mike after Beason got injured that year...we wouldn't have been even 30% as good on D. Trust me on that.

And we wouldn't have made the playoffs last year without Luke, let alone fielding a top 2 defense.

No guarantee at all that we don't fall below 5 with ease if we were to lose 59 this year. Just to continue along the hypothetical route...if Luke did get hurt, who's to say that Charles Johnson also doesn't get leg whipped again, && has to miss time/play at less than 100%? Or who's to say that Greg Hardy racks up 7 of his sacks in the final two games of the year again? Maybe Thomas Davis tears his ACL a fourth time...you never know. Hopefully it stays that way, too.

But, being that he's the quarterback of our defense (or, as I like to say, the Peyton Manning of defense), his loss alone would screw us horribly.

Re-watch the 2nd Saints game from last year (among other games) if you must. Every way Luke impacts && commands the defense is shown in those 60 minutes of game action. Run defense, pass coverage, pre-play adjustments, lining guys up, creating turnovers, swinging momentum. He did it all, && he does it all...even if some of those things don't show up on a stat sheet. In fact, those may be the most important ones.
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All that and I'm still trying to figure why he's better than Lavonte David.
 
Didnt Ray Lewis basically kill a guy and still got PLENTY of love? Hes black right? Or am i missing something :lol: And Terrell Suggs aint marketable because he's quite honestly one of the UGLIEST dudes i ever seen :lol:
 
I'd happily take luke on my team today.. Tomorrow.. The day after that
 
There is not one single thing Kuechly is better at on the football field than Lavonte.

Lavonte and McCoy are both top 10 defensive players by the way.
 
Idiotic article...not stats or metrics to back up the argument....just nothing but race baiting.
 
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There is not one single thing Kuechly is better at on the football field than Lavonte.

Lavonte and McCoy are both top 10 defensive players by the way.
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Are you saying this because you're a Bucs fan or you truly think it?

Anyway, I agree with you. David is one of the more underrated players in the league and McCoy continues to get better.
 
nickmaz96 said:
Are you saying this because you're a Bucs fan or you truly think it?

Anyway, I agree with you. David is one of the more underrated players in the league and McCoy continues to get better.
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I'm saying this because I've seen every game that the two of them have played since they were drafted into the NFL. They're two of the best defensive players I've ever seen....and I've seen some great ones being a Bucs fan since 96.

If we make the playoffs this year, one of them will win DPOY. My prediction.
 
Chester McFloppy said:
An idiot.
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Buc Em said:
You have so much hate burning in your heart for the city of Cleveland. Every time the Browns come up you make sure to throw a jab in.
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Yes, coming from the guy who completely derails the thread with NFC South pissing matches every time the Falcons are mentioned. They're an in-state rival and a national media punching bag. Stop whining. 
 
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