NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

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madj55 said:
Like this hasn't happened before? Same thing happened in 1999, the NFL appealed and won in 2003. Then again we're living in a "politically correct" world nowadays, might not have the same result.

Might as well change the name now though, **** is so annoying. HTTR.
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you don't see the problem with a team being named after a racial slur?

people are soo ignorant it's crazy

the comments on the espn article are wild
 
While the country is definitely overly PC and sensitive, I do not feel that applies not is the reason in this particular name/case.


Edit - since there is a thread I'll post other comments in there and leave this more football related
 
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what exactly do people mean when they use terms like "overly pc" and/or overly "sensitive"

does it bother people that there are lots groups out there who are just now finding out that it's ok to stand up for themselves and/or voice their displeasure with how they're being treated or addressed?

should we designate respect only for "mainstream" groups who have the voice/numbers to garner the political attention (& change) and ignore those on the fringes of society?

there's many who may not deem the causes of groups on the fringe of society as important enough for them to care about, but even if one person feels a certain way, who is anyone to deny them the right to self determination, respect and equal treatment?

dmxfury i'm not singling you out because i've seen it used a lot here on this site as well as outside of the internet and it confuses me.

what is overly pc exactly?
 
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If you are asking me it would be a case by case basis but there are definite times that I feel a person/group speak up more to make noise and a name for themselves than actually feeling discriminated, unfair treatment, etc. This of course takes speculation on my part. Probably more of a general topic
 
Being overly PC is taking every single thing under the sun as offensive, to the point where people have turned it into a joke, which makes light of legit offensive things. Being overly PC doesn't apply in this case with Washington though, they just happened to get away with that for so long until people made themselves aware of it.
 
CashBanks said:
you don't see the problem with a team being named after a racial slur?

people are soo ignorant it's crazy

the comments on the espn article are wild
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Do I find the name disparaging? I guess, but I'm not sure, honestly. I'm not a Native American though so I wouldn't be able to vouch for if it is or not. I personally know Native Americans who don't find it offensive at all, and I've read about those who do.

That's all irrelevant though, as Dan Snyder is going to win in the end of all of this. He already has two other team names trademarked and ready for use. He's going to continue to be defiant in his stance on changing the name (to appeal to current ******** fans) until they finally force his hand. By then he will have a new name, new uniforms and logos drawn up, and will rake in the cash from all of the new gear.

After the change is made, the government will go back to neglecting Native Americans and the real problems they face on an everyday basis. Changing the name is great for them, but how does that help them get out of poverty? The government is putting these people in crippling poverty, and while the name may need to go the endemic poverty among Native Americans is more offensive by orders of magnitude in my opinion. But no one is doing anything to stop that.

Maybe they should change the name of the Patriots as well since they're the racists who forced the Native Americans off of their land and into this poverty.
 
I will never undestand this country's stance on racism and prejeducy when it's supports the country of Israel like it does (see my signature please) ; which is probably one of the most prejudiuce and racist countries in this world. You can't fight for the right of freedom for all when you're helping a country's racist ways towards people because of race/ethnicity.

Making an effort to remove the R******* name is all fine and dandy, but when your actions speak louder than words - it means nothing for the state of progression. I have a real issue with this country's more concerning conflict with the name of the football team being derogatory than they are of the people of the Native American descent's well being.

It's progress one way or another, but we have a long way to go before this country can be proud of it's equal for all stance.
 
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Animal Thug said:
I will never undestand this country's stance on racism and prejeducy when it's supports the country of Israel like it does (see my signature please) ; which is probably one of the most prejudiuce and racist countries in this world. You can't fight for the right of freedom for all when you're helping a country's racist ways towards people because of race/ethnicity.

Making an effort to remove the R******* name is all fine and dandy, but when your actions speak louder than words - it means nothing for the state of progression. I have a real issue with this country's more concerning conflict with the name of the football team being derogatory than they are of the people of the Native American descent's well being.
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Yep.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi...government-keeps-native-americans-in-poverty/
 
I agree with these posts that show the true issues at hand and lack of progress (welcome to the gov't). But two things, one: this was an act by the Patent Office. They can't do much else. Two, is making progress on this issue stifling progress on the others?

But no doubt some serious issues and two faced actions by the government
 
dmxfury said:
I agree with these posts that show the true issues at hand and lack of progress (welcome to the gov't). But two things, one: this was an act by the Patent Office. They can't do much else. Two, is making progress on this issue stifling progress on the others?

But no doubt some serious issues and two faced actions by the government
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True. I guess props should be given to them for having the balls the government doesn't have.
 
The Trademark Trial and Appeal Board (TTAB) has decided to cancel six federal trademark registrations that include the term “********.” The ruling was made in relation to the longstanding use of the mark by the National Football League’s Washington ********. It was deemed that the use of “********” by the NFL is disparaging of Native Americans, and thus the federally registered mark was effectively cancelled as of today. The implications of this ruling have been greatly exaggerated.



Today’s ruling will have “no effect at all on the team’s ownership of and right to use the ******** name and logo.” That was the only emphasized and underlined portion of a statement by Bob Raskopf, trademark attorney for the Washington ********, which was released after the TTAB decision was announced. The Washington D.C.-based NFL team intends to appeal the TTAB’s decision cancelling the federal trademark registrations. More importantly, the team has recognized that it continues to own and is able to protect its marks without the registrations in place. The organization is correct.



ESPN.com Sports Business reporter Darren Rovell wrote, “[w]ithout protection, any fan can produce and sell Washington ******** gear without having to pay the league or the team for royalties and wouldn’t be in violation of any law for doing so.” That is simply not true. The decision by the TTAB does not require the Washington D.C.-based NFL team to change its name, stop using the “********” marks and it does not mean that the organization loses all legal rights in the marks.
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Loss Of ******** Trademark Registration Is Overblown


As I said a while back, NOTHING will happen until sponsors start pulling out. Look at how quickly companies like Carmax, Virgin Airlines, Kia, etc. all severed ties w/ the Clippers/Staples in the DAYS following the Sterling tape leaks. Until then, the name will stand.

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Any thoughts on Red Mesa (AZ) HS in Arizona, which is predominately Native American, having the nickname "********?"
 
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"ESPN.com Sports Business reporter Darren Rovell wrote, “[w]ithout protection, any fan can produce and sell Washington ******** gear without having to pay the league or the team for royalties and wouldn’t be in violation of any law for doing so.” That is simply not true. The decision by the TTAB does not require the Washington D.C.-based NFL team to change its name, stop using the “********” marks and it does not mean that the organization loses all legal rights in the marks."

Says it's not true and then doesn't explain why. Who wrote this?
 
100027 said:
"ESPN.com Sports Business reporter Darren Rovell wrote, “[w]ithout protection, any fan can produce and sell Washington ******** gear without having to pay the league or the team for royalties and wouldn’t be in violation of any law for doing so.” That is simply not true. The decision by the TTAB does not require the Washington D.C.-based NFL team to change its name, stop using the “********” marks and it does not mean that the organization loses all legal rights in the marks."

Says it's not true and then doesn't explain why. Who wrote this?
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Perhaps read the entire article?

"There are benefits to having a federal registration attached to an owned trademark, including but not limited to a legal presumption of ownership of the mark and the ability to bring an infringement action in federal court seeking statutory damages. Importantly, a lack of a federal registration in place does not equate to anarchy where any individual can create merchandise bearing “********” marks and sell same in commerce.

If a sports fan decides to produce and sell Washington ******** gear without obtaining advance permission from the team, and the gear creates a false representation that it originated from the NFL’s Washington ******** organization, then that fan may be in violation of improperly benefiting from the use of the team’s common law protected trademark and be forced to pay damages related to the infringing use."
 
JJs07 said:
Any thoughts on Red Mesa (AZ) HS in Arizona, which is predominately Native American, having the nickname "********?"
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You answered your own question champ.  The high school is predominately Native American, as I understand it the name ******* was created by Native Americans, particularly during battle times.............

"So in conclusion just to let everyone know, the origin of the name "*******" was created and used by Native Americans but then Europeans and Americans later on began to use the name "*******" as a derogatory term against Native Americans.  That is where the mix up comes into play.  Meaning that the word has negative or disparaging connotations as used by some currently"

The problem at it pertains to your beloved Washington Diplomats is that team's name was given by a racist owner at the time George Preston Marshall that certainly didn't care about Native Americans and certainly didn't care about black people.  George Preston Marshall was not trying to champion the fight, struggle, and cause of Native Americans when he gave Washington that name, he was mocking the Native American community.  If for whatever reason Red Mesa high school (predominately Native American as you correctly stated) wants to call themselves by that nickname then so be it.  It certainly is not the call of a racist owner to name a football team by that name, nor is it appropriate for that name to continued to be used and mocked by that team to this very day....................and it's fanbase.
 
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