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Look What scheming did for the NFL this season against Watt
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plain and simple, if you haven't watched a good chunk of the Texans games, you can't really speak to Watts value and impact.
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Well then I guess If that's the logic were using, if you haven't watched a large chunk of Brian Hoyer, Alex Smith, David Carr, or Mike Glennon games this season you can't really speak on their impact and value.
So you can't say Watts more valuable than them, according to that logic...
Cmon man. We're regular people with regular jobs and regular lives. We're not Ron Joworski. We don't get paid to watch game film of NFL QB's 10 hours a day, 7 days a week.
We can't watch large chunks of any QB's games during the season. We can only watch so many games of so many teams. It shouldn't mean we're not allowed to speak on anything.
If we use that logic then none of us are allowed to speak on anything, because we don't watch large chunks of games for every player.
So you can't say Watts more valuable than them, according to that logic...
Cmon man. We're regular people with regular jobs and regular lives. We're not Ron Joworski. We don't get paid to watch game film of NFL QB's 10 hours a day, 7 days a week.
We can't watch large chunks of any QB's games during the season. We can only watch so many games of so many teams. It shouldn't mean we're not allowed to speak on anything.
If we use that logic then none of us are allowed to speak on anything, because we don't watch large chunks of games for every player.
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The majority of those Quarterbacks have superbowl wins so. I counted about 12 superbowl wins by the way and the others have made it to the postseason. Yes its a team game but it's a QB driven league.
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Anyone with ESPN insider wanna help a bro out and post this article?
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...ewater-deserves-win-offensive-rookie-year-nfl
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/stor...ewater-deserves-win-offensive-rookie-year-nfl
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Honestly Texans are pretty similar at a glance to the team that had a 2-14 record
I say the only difference this season, they got decent quarterback play and having Foster in the lineup more
Maybe those 2 things correlate?
But I say those things have more of impact on the Texans winning more games than Watt playing better this season
I say the only difference this season, they got decent quarterback play and having Foster in the lineup more
Maybe those 2 things correlate?
But I say those things have more of impact on the Texans winning more games than Watt playing better this season
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Bridgewater deserves OROY award
Vikings rookie QB has been more impressive than Odell Beckham Jr.
Originally Published: December 24, 2014
By KC Joyner | ESPN Insider
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Teddy Bridgewater
AP Photo/Ann Heisenfelt
Teddy Bridgewater has been fantastic this season under center for Minnesota.
Teddy Bridgewater is a person of many talents, but hype generation and self-promotion are not among them. He requested that Louisville not start a Heisman Trophy campaign for him and is the sort of person who realizes that on-field performance is the key to any long-term marketing value.
That is a very refreshing approach in today's sports world, although a lack of hype may have been a factor in Bridgewater being selected later than Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL draft. A poor pro day certainly didn't help, either.
A similar thing may be happening in the race for the 2014 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (OROY). New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is putting up record-setting rookie numbers that, when combined with a highlight-reel catch against Dallas in Week 12, has given him the inside track for this year's OROY honor.
Bridgewater may lack Beckham's charisma and signature moment, but the on-field aspects of Bridgewater's OROY case are every bit as strong, and possibly stronger, than Beckham's.
Here is why the Minnesota Vikings quarterback deserves the OROY award.
Top 10-caliber quarterback performance down the stretch
Since Week 8, only seven passers have posted at least five games with a Total QBR of 70 or higher: Aaron Rodgers (6), Tom Brady (6), Tony Romo (5), Ben Roethlisberger (5), Matt Ryan (5), Drew Brees (5) and Bridgewater (5).
Bridgewater's composite 60.2 Total QBR over that span ranks 13th in the league and is higher than the Total QBR marks posted by Matthew Stafford (53), Andrew Luck (50.5), Philip Rivers (48.7) and Cam Newton (47.
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What is even more impressive is that Bridgewater has been trending further upward as the season has progressed.
The best single-game example of this could be his 75.6 percent completion rate in Week 15. That was the fifth-highest completion percentage for a quarterback who threw at least 40 passes in a game this year and was the highest completion percentage for a rookie quarterback with at least 40 attempts in NFL history.
This upward trend has also shown up during the previous month's worth of games. As ESPN NFL Nation Vikings reporter Ben Goessling noted on Twitter:
Over the last four weeks, Bridgewater leads the league in completion percentage on throws of 10-plus and 15-plus yards. He also has the fifth-highest completion percentage on third-down passes (71.4 percent) during this time frame and has the highest Total QBR on third downs (93..
Poise under pressure
Bridgewater's collegiate career had many elements that pointed toward his ability to develop into a successful NFL quarterback. Chief among these were passing all of the Parcells rules related to drafting quarterbacks and displaying elite poise under pressure.
Some players aren't able to translate composure at the collegiate level into poise at the NFL level, but Bridgewater has done that in many ways.
From a metric perspective, it shows up in his production on pass plays under duress. ESPN Stats & Information defines duress as occurring when the quarterback is forced from the pocket, is forced to alter his throwing motion, is forced to move within the pocket due to pressure, has a defender clear in his line of sight, or is hit while throwing the football. It's tough to be productive under any of those conditions, which makes Bridgewater's 7.3 yards per attempt (YPA) mark when under duress over the past four weeks (ranked 10th) quite notable.
From a tape review standpoint, Bridgewater's poise shows up in making zero bad decisions (defined as a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team) over the past four games. The ability to combine superb downfield passing skills with a penchant for protecting the football is the most difficult thing for any passer to do, and this stretch shows Bridgewater is mastering that tandem of traits quite quickly.
From a personnel continuity perspective, Bridgewater's composure can be seen via how well he has performed despite dealing with a slew of lineup changes. The Vikings have started eight different offensive linemen and five different running backs. Their top tight end (Kyle Rudolph) has missed seven games this season with injuries, and the team's presumed top wide receiver (Cordarrelle Patterson) regressed badly. The pass-catching options have been so thin that one of the Vikings' leading wide receivers (Charles Johnson) was signed off the Cleveland Browns practice squad in September. And Bridgewater hasn't had the benefit of the Vikings' best offensive player (suspended RB Adrian Peterson) since assuming the starter's role when Matt Cassel was lost for the season after breaking his foot in Week 3. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner said that it is pretty incredible to see Bridgewater perform as well as he has under these constantly changing personnel conditions.
Bottom line
The OROY case for Beckham is very strong, as his numbers can match up on a per-game basis with just about any wideout in the NFL, but Bridgewater's numbers can go toe-to-toe with the top quarterbacks in the league. Quarterback value trumps wide receiver value, and thus Bridgewater's OROY candidacy is stronger.
One can also make a compelling argument for Dallas Cowboys offensive guard Zack Martin, as he recently received the top spot in Mel Kiper's most recent rookie rankings. As great as Martin has played, he is the final piece in a strong offensive line rather than a cornerstone player on whom the team is built (such as Bridgewater).
In the end, if the OROY voters want to reward the player who has made the biggest impact on his team, and who has done so under the most difficult circumstances, Bridgewater is by far the most logical choice for this award.
Vikings rookie QB has been more impressive than Odell Beckham Jr.
Originally Published: December 24, 2014
By KC Joyner | ESPN Insider
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Teddy Bridgewater
AP Photo/Ann Heisenfelt
Teddy Bridgewater has been fantastic this season under center for Minnesota.
Teddy Bridgewater is a person of many talents, but hype generation and self-promotion are not among them. He requested that Louisville not start a Heisman Trophy campaign for him and is the sort of person who realizes that on-field performance is the key to any long-term marketing value.
That is a very refreshing approach in today's sports world, although a lack of hype may have been a factor in Bridgewater being selected later than Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL draft. A poor pro day certainly didn't help, either.
A similar thing may be happening in the race for the 2014 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (OROY). New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is putting up record-setting rookie numbers that, when combined with a highlight-reel catch against Dallas in Week 12, has given him the inside track for this year's OROY honor.
Bridgewater may lack Beckham's charisma and signature moment, but the on-field aspects of Bridgewater's OROY case are every bit as strong, and possibly stronger, than Beckham's.
Here is why the Minnesota Vikings quarterback deserves the OROY award.
Top 10-caliber quarterback performance down the stretch
Since Week 8, only seven passers have posted at least five games with a Total QBR of 70 or higher: Aaron Rodgers (6), Tom Brady (6), Tony Romo (5), Ben Roethlisberger (5), Matt Ryan (5), Drew Brees (5) and Bridgewater (5).
Bridgewater's composite 60.2 Total QBR over that span ranks 13th in the league and is higher than the Total QBR marks posted by Matthew Stafford (53), Andrew Luck (50.5), Philip Rivers (48.7) and Cam Newton (47.
.What is even more impressive is that Bridgewater has been trending further upward as the season has progressed.
The best single-game example of this could be his 75.6 percent completion rate in Week 15. That was the fifth-highest completion percentage for a quarterback who threw at least 40 passes in a game this year and was the highest completion percentage for a rookie quarterback with at least 40 attempts in NFL history.
This upward trend has also shown up during the previous month's worth of games. As ESPN NFL Nation Vikings reporter Ben Goessling noted on Twitter:
Over the last four weeks, Bridgewater leads the league in completion percentage on throws of 10-plus and 15-plus yards. He also has the fifth-highest completion percentage on third-down passes (71.4 percent) during this time frame and has the highest Total QBR on third downs (93.
.Poise under pressure
Bridgewater's collegiate career had many elements that pointed toward his ability to develop into a successful NFL quarterback. Chief among these were passing all of the Parcells rules related to drafting quarterbacks and displaying elite poise under pressure.
Some players aren't able to translate composure at the collegiate level into poise at the NFL level, but Bridgewater has done that in many ways.
From a metric perspective, it shows up in his production on pass plays under duress. ESPN Stats & Information defines duress as occurring when the quarterback is forced from the pocket, is forced to alter his throwing motion, is forced to move within the pocket due to pressure, has a defender clear in his line of sight, or is hit while throwing the football. It's tough to be productive under any of those conditions, which makes Bridgewater's 7.3 yards per attempt (YPA) mark when under duress over the past four weeks (ranked 10th) quite notable.
From a tape review standpoint, Bridgewater's poise shows up in making zero bad decisions (defined as a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team) over the past four games. The ability to combine superb downfield passing skills with a penchant for protecting the football is the most difficult thing for any passer to do, and this stretch shows Bridgewater is mastering that tandem of traits quite quickly.
From a personnel continuity perspective, Bridgewater's composure can be seen via how well he has performed despite dealing with a slew of lineup changes. The Vikings have started eight different offensive linemen and five different running backs. Their top tight end (Kyle Rudolph) has missed seven games this season with injuries, and the team's presumed top wide receiver (Cordarrelle Patterson) regressed badly. The pass-catching options have been so thin that one of the Vikings' leading wide receivers (Charles Johnson) was signed off the Cleveland Browns practice squad in September. And Bridgewater hasn't had the benefit of the Vikings' best offensive player (suspended RB Adrian Peterson) since assuming the starter's role when Matt Cassel was lost for the season after breaking his foot in Week 3. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner said that it is pretty incredible to see Bridgewater perform as well as he has under these constantly changing personnel conditions.
Bottom line
The OROY case for Beckham is very strong, as his numbers can match up on a per-game basis with just about any wideout in the NFL, but Bridgewater's numbers can go toe-to-toe with the top quarterbacks in the league. Quarterback value trumps wide receiver value, and thus Bridgewater's OROY candidacy is stronger.
One can also make a compelling argument for Dallas Cowboys offensive guard Zack Martin, as he recently received the top spot in Mel Kiper's most recent rookie rankings. As great as Martin has played, he is the final piece in a strong offensive line rather than a cornerstone player on whom the team is built (such as Bridgewater).
In the end, if the OROY voters want to reward the player who has made the biggest impact on his team, and who has done so under the most difficult circumstances, Bridgewater is by far the most logical choice for this award.
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Bridgewater deserves OROY award
Vikings rookie QB has been more impressive than Odell Beckham Jr.
Originally Published: December 24, 2014
By KC Joyner | ESPN Insider
34015COMMENTS81EMAILPRINT
Teddy Bridgewater
AP Photo/Ann Heisenfelt
Teddy Bridgewater has been fantastic this season under center for Minnesota.
Teddy Bridgewater is a person of many talents, but hype generation and self-promotion are not among them. He requested that Louisville not start a Heisman Trophy campaign for him and is the sort of person who realizes that on-field performance is the key to any long-term marketing value.
That is a very refreshing approach in today's sports world, although a lack of hype may have been a factor in Bridgewater being selected later than Johnny Manziel in the 2014 NFL draft. A poor pro day certainly didn't help, either.
A similar thing may be happening in the race for the 2014 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (OROY). New York Giants wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. is putting up record-setting rookie numbers that, when combined with a highlight-reel catch against Dallas in Week 12, has given him the inside track for this year's OROY honor.
Bridgewater may lack Beckham's charisma and signature moment, but the on-field aspects of Bridgewater's OROY case are every bit as strong, and possibly stronger, than Beckham's.
Here is why the Minnesota Vikings quarterback deserves the OROY award.
Top 10-caliber quarterback performance down the stretch
Since Week 8, only seven passers have posted at least five games with a Total QBR of 70 or higher: Aaron Rodgers (6), Tom Brady (6), Tony Romo (5), Ben Roethlisberger (5), Matt Ryan (5), Drew Brees (5) and Bridgewater (5).
Bridgewater's composite 60.2 Total QBR over that span ranks 13th in the league and is higher than the Total QBR marks posted by Matthew Stafford (53), Andrew Luck (50.5), Philip Rivers (48.7) and Cam Newton (47.
What is even more impressive is that Bridgewater has been trending further upward as the season has progressed.
The best single-game example of this could be his 75.6 percent completion rate in Week 15. That was the fifth-highest completion percentage for a quarterback who threw at least 40 passes in a game this year and was the highest completion percentage for a rookie quarterback with at least 40 attempts in NFL history.
This upward trend has also shown up during the previous month's worth of games. As ESPN NFL Nation Vikings reporter Ben Goessling noted on Twitter:
Over the last four weeks, Bridgewater leads the league in completion percentage on throws of 10-plus and 15-plus yards. He also has the fifth-highest completion percentage on third-down passes (71.4 percent) during this time frame and has the highest Total QBR on third downs (93.
Poise under pressure
Bridgewater's collegiate career had many elements that pointed toward his ability to develop into a successful NFL quarterback. Chief among these were passing all of the Parcells rules related to drafting quarterbacks and displaying elite poise under pressure.
Some players aren't able to translate composure at the collegiate level into poise at the NFL level, but Bridgewater has done that in many ways.
From a metric perspective, it shows up in his production on pass plays under duress. ESPN Stats & Information defines duress as occurring when the quarterback is forced from the pocket, is forced to alter his throwing motion, is forced to move within the pocket due to pressure, has a defender clear in his line of sight, or is hit while throwing the football. It's tough to be productive under any of those conditions, which makes Bridgewater's 7.3 yards per attempt (YPA) mark when under duress over the past four weeks (ranked 10th) quite notable.
From a tape review standpoint, Bridgewater's poise shows up in making zero bad decisions (defined as a mental error that leads to a turnover opportunity for the opposing team) over the past four games. The ability to combine superb downfield passing skills with a penchant for protecting the football is the most difficult thing for any passer to do, and this stretch shows Bridgewater is mastering that tandem of traits quite quickly.
From a personnel continuity perspective, Bridgewater's composure can be seen via how well he has performed despite dealing with a slew of lineup changes. The Vikings have started eight different offensive linemen and five different running backs. Their top tight end (Kyle Rudolph) has missed seven games this season with injuries, and the team's presumed top wide receiver (Cordarrelle Patterson) regressed badly. The pass-catching options have been so thin that one of the Vikings' leading wide receivers (Charles Johnson) was signed off the Cleveland Browns practice squad in September. And Bridgewater hasn't had the benefit of the Vikings' best offensive player (suspended RB Adrian Peterson) since assuming the starter's role when Matt Cassel was lost for the season after breaking his foot in Week 3. Offensive coordinator Norv Turner said that it is pretty incredible to see Bridgewater perform as well as he has under these constantly changing personnel conditions.
Bottom line
The OROY case for Beckham is very strong, as his numbers can match up on a per-game basis with just about any wideout in the NFL, but Bridgewater's numbers can go toe-to-toe with the top quarterbacks in the league. Quarterback value trumps wide receiver value, and thus Bridgewater's OROY candidacy is stronger.
One can also make a compelling argument for Dallas Cowboys offensive guard Zack Martin, as he recently received the top spot in Mel Kiper's most recent rookie rankings. As great as Martin has played, he is the final piece in a strong offensive line rather than a cornerstone player on whom the team is built (such as Bridgewater).
In the end, if the OROY voters want to reward the player who has made the biggest impact on his team, and who has done so under the most difficult circumstances, Bridgewater is by far the most logical choice for this award.
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He probably would if he was a given a chance to take a snap.
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Actually you are better off building both of your lines then going from there.. I don't care how good your QB is, if he doesn't have time to throw it doesn't mean squat
But you have to look at the options you have come draft time or free agency or what
Now a good-great QB can make up for a lot of deficiencies on the roster.. But if you get him killed early a lot of damage can be done that there isn't any coming back from
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Merry Christmas all!
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Only issue with focusing on lines is that you still have to draft a QB who can at least be above average to be any kind of threat in the league. If you develop the lines and become a decent team prior to having a chance to draft a QB with potential, you get stuck with drafting after QB needy teams who will take the best of the QB prospects. At that point you really need to have an elite scouting team to find the right guy to put behind center.
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Should have qualified my response a little more.. Talked about circumstances with which you're making the moves
Like if you're drafting in the top 10 I think there are only a couple of positions a team should really consider, unless there are freak athletes available where you can make exceptions to the rule
But the point remains, having a good oline makes everything exponentially easier for everyone else on the offense (you can kinda get away with not having an elite level QB or the best RB in the world).. But having a good defense is a great asset to have for a young QB, hell any QB
Having a good pass rush can be life saver for a shoddy secondary.. But you can have the best secondary in the world if the pass rush is nonexistent, that defense can still get chewed up (see Seattle earlier this year)
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Im not a believer in that having a great offensive line is important
If you have a good quarterback he can make the offensive line look better
If you have a good quarterback he can make the offensive line look better
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bruh...it's essential. the 12-3 patriots looked like dog**** early on in the year when the offensive line was full of back ups and underperforming. with the main unit that's currently out there, we're a juggernaut.
the last game against the jets...we saw two of the back ups make a return to the offensive line and thus we saw the offense struggle.
dallas has returned to contender status on the back of their offensive line.
it's essential.
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same to you, my AFC East fam
merry xmas to the rest of the S&T heads as well...enjoy it
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No way in hell am I trading JJ Watt for Russell Wilson or Drew Brees. Russell is a top 20 RB and Brees can't throw it on the road and now he can't throw it at home.
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C'mon man....
More than half those quarterbacks don't even have as good as a record as Watt's Texans right now with **** for quarterback play. Those quarterbacks would have to score like 40 a game if they didn't have Watt.
I've watched enough Drew Brees this year to tell you that ain't the same dude we all remember. I don't know what happened to him but I'm not complaining. Just hope he has a flashback game Sunday and takes a dump on my Bucs then continues regressing next year.
Matt Ryan and Romo?! My god what a difference a year makes.
Rivers is a warrior and all but he's never been somebkdy to put a team over the top. He's also had some games this year that made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like prime Peyton.
I love Wilson but if he was on a team with an awful defense and forced to put up a bunch of points every week I'm not sure that's gonna get you that far.
We don't know if Peyton is gonna win a Super Bowl this year with an offense and defense STACKED with studs and he only has a couple years left most likely so thats another guy you wouldn't trade Watt for.
Rodgers and Luck are the only ones really.
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