NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[N41D]

Troy is a HOFer because of where and when he played.

Right place, right time. Not elite. But really, really good and status elevated based on surroundings.

 

[CP1708]

That Jimmy era is one of the greatest things I've ever seen. I was a little guy and fell in love with the NFL Draft just because of that Walker deal, and how it built that roster in 2 years, EASY.

Then to win 3 out of 4, had he stayed, and kept stocking that roster, the 90's woulda been Bulls/Cowboys annual get togethers.

 

[trueprada]

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The votes are in! 38% of fans say New England will win Super Bowl XLIX. @VerizonWireless #WhosGonnaWin 

 

[sb]

Saying John Elway is better than Tom Brady and Dan Marino should be a bannable offense.

elway dragged 3 scrub teams to the superbowl. yea the broncos got blown out but he got them there. marino went once and brady has had arguably one of the greatest coaches ever and a good to great supporting cast on all his superbowl appearances.

 

[mister friendly]

Look at who was making All Pro and the Pro Bowl in early 1990s

Steve Young
Aikman
Marino and then Favre

 

[pacificnorsewst]

I have never gone back to look at Aikman's numbers until now. My God was he average statistically. One would think he was Brad Johnson. I always felt Johnson was a bit undervalud though.

 

[stillin729]

Look at who was making All Pro and the Pro Bowl in early 1990s

Steve Young
Aikman
Marino and then Favre

Favre is a better QB than Aikman, don't do it

 

[mister friendly]

Saying John Elway is better than Tom Brady and Dan Marino should be a bannable offense.

elway dragged 3 scrub teams to the superbowl. yea the broncos got blown out but he got them there. marino went once and brady has had arguably one of the greatest coaches ever and a good to great supporting cast on all his superbowl appearances.

Exactly

What was Marino doing?

Complying stats playing Marino Ball which was not suited for the day

All while missing the playoffs or seeing his air attack flame out in the playoffs while having a top 5 all time coach in Don Shula

*waits for the Marino needed more help cry

Brady is great but he was a true game manager his 1st Super Bowl win

 

[CP1708]

Saying John Elway is better than Tom Brady and Dan Marino should be a bannable offense.

elway dragged 3 scrub teams to the superbowl. yea the broncos got blown out but he got them there. marino went once and brady has had arguably one of the greatest coaches ever and a good to great supporting cast on all his superbowl appearances.

Exactly

What was Marino doing?

Complying stats playing Marino Ball which was not suited for the day

All while missing the playoffs or seeing his air attack flame out in the playoffs while having a top 5 all time coach in Don Shula

*waits for the Marino needed more help cry

Brady is great but he was a true game manager his 1st Super Bowl win

You have absolutely no ******* idea what you are talking about in regards to the 1980's-90's Miami Dolphins. Not one clue. You should stop talking about them, right now. You are embarrassing yourself pretty bad.

As for Aikman. He was never once, on an AP All Pro team, ever.

He was THE SPORTING NEWS All Pro one year, a magazine publication dude. Not a thing.

 

[N41D]

Only 20 TDs above picks is really really good?

Who knew.

Son threw a **** ball, looking like Chad Pennington

Scrubs and spares don't win three Super Bowls regardless of what's surrounding them.

 

[CP1708]

Dirk, check your PM fam.

 

[mister friendly]

Saying John Elway is better than Tom Brady and Dan Marino should be a bannable offense.

elway dragged 3 scrub teams to the superbowl. yea the broncos got blown out but he got them there. marino went once and brady has had arguably one of the greatest coaches ever and a good to great supporting cast on all his superbowl appearances.

Exactly

What was Marino doing?

Complying stats playing Marino Ball which was not suited for the day

All while missing the playoffs or seeing his air attack flame out in the playoffs while having a top 5 all time coach in Don Shula

*waits for the Marino needed more help cry

Brady is great but he was a true game manager his 1st Super Bowl win

You have absolutely no ******* idea what you are talking about in regards to the 1980's-90's Miami Dolphins. Not one clue. You should stop talking about them, right now. You are embarrassing yourself pretty bad.

As for Aikman. He was never once, on an AP All Pro team, ever.

He was THE SPORTING NEWS All Pro one year, a magazine publication dude. Not a thing.

Yeah man I actually do

Try it

Aikman was a UPI All Pro

 

[CP1708]

Saying John Elway is better than Tom Brady and Dan Marino should be a bannable offense.

elway dragged 3 scrub teams to the superbowl. yea the broncos got blown out but he got them there. marino went once and brady has had arguably one of the greatest coaches ever and a good to great supporting cast on all his superbowl appearances.

Exactly

What was Marino doing?

Complying stats playing Marino Ball which was not suited for the day

All while missing the playoffs or seeing his air attack flame out in the playoffs while having a top 5 all time coach in Don Shula

*waits for the Marino needed more help cry

Brady is great but he was a true game manager his 1st Super Bowl win

You have absolutely no ******* idea what you are talking about in regards to the 1980's-90's Miami Dolphins. Not one clue. You should stop talking about them, right now. You are embarrassing yourself pretty bad.

As for Aikman. He was never once, on an AP All Pro team, ever.

He was THE SPORTING NEWS All Pro one year, a magazine publication dude. Not a thing.

Yeah man I actually do

Try it

Aikman was a UPI All Pro

No, you don't. Stop lying, I already know you're full of ****.

Not first team he wasn't The Sporting News one is the only AP I found on his resume. You got a year for this UPI First Team All Pro? I'll look that up.

 

[stillin729]

United Press International All Pro?

 

[scalabrine]

Montana is the best. Then elway, Marino, brady, manning in whatever order. Then guys like Namath ,Bradshaw , Unitas, favre, then probobly 10-15 more. Then aikman

 

[stillin729]

No, you don't. Stop lying, I already know you're full of ****.

Not first team he wasn't The Sporting News one is the only AP I found on his resume. You got a year for this UPI First Team All Pro? I'll look that up.

Well it was second team also

 

[The Glove]

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keep the russ hate comin'

don't care about what you think of him individually as long as we keep winning games

 

[mister friendly]

I explained this to you before, if you were named the 2nd or 3rd team, you made the All Pro or All-NBA team in my eyes...You're the one who's is First team is the only one that matters


Why the hell would I not know about Marino?

 

[shatterkneesinc]

roger staubach is underrated

 

[sb]

I have never gone back to look at Aikman's numbers until now. My God was he average statistically. One would think he was Brad Johnson. I always felt Johnson was a bit undervalud though.

aikman was a great game manager and made plays when he needed to. i believe he said it himself in an interview if i recall. he made the plays when he needed to but leaned heavily on running the ball and the cowboys defense. he never called himself elite. i think he even admitted romo was better than him. aikman is a good qb in my book. not great but good.

 

[scalabrine]

roger staubach is underrated

blame Tom Landry

 

[Lovetohate3000]

I remember aikmans stats...

He was a game manager... A very good one nothing wrong with that he made it to the hall cuz of rings...
He was never a top 5 QB and I'm a cowboys fan and remember those SB wins but don't ever recalling thinking aikman was a great QB , even back in the day...

 

[va757va]

This thread today

Good points on Aikman @cp and @nowitness. I agree 100%.

Jimmy Johnson was THE MAN.

The cowboys offense gets all the credit from that era and rightfully so. But all those Super Bowl teams had VERY good defenses. Top 5 ish.

Just some complete teams from top to bottom.

 

[jewbacca2]

I've always heard Troy's wife and GF were/are beards.

 

[CP1708]

Why the hell would I not know about Marino?

Cuz you said this

Complying stats playing Marino Ball which was not suited for the day

All while missing the playoffs or seeing his air attack flame out in the playoffs while having a top 5 all time coach in Don Shula

Shula, the same coach/GM who drafted this for his franchise QB, in his prime.

1991 1 23(23) Randal Hill WR
1991 3 5(60) Aaron Craver RB
1991 5 2(113) Bryan Cox LB
1991 5 10(121) Gene Williams OG
1991 7 24(191) Chris Green DB
1991 8 25(220) Roland Smith DB
1991 9 23(246) Scott Miller WR
1991 10 25(275) Michael Titley TE
1991 11 25(302) Ernie Rogers OG
1991 12 25(331) Joe Brunson DT
1990 1 9(9) Richmond Webb OT
1990 2 14(39) Keith Sims OG
1990 3 13(66) Alfred Oglesby DT
1990 4 12(93) Scott Mitchell QB
1990 5 28(137) Leroy Holt RB
1990 6 14(151) Sean Vanhorse DB
1990 8 12(205) Thomas Woods WR
1990 9 11(231) Phil Ross TE
1990 12 11(315) Bobby Harden DB
1989 1 9(9) Sammie Smith RB
1989 1 25(25) Louis Oliver DB
1989 4 8(92) David Holmes DB
1989 5 9(121) Jeff Uhlenhake C
1989 6 8(147) Wes Pritchett LB
1989 7 9(176) Jim Zdelar OT
1989 8 8(203) Pete Stoyanovich PK
1989 9 9(232) Dana Batiste LB
1989 10 8(259) Deval Glover WR
1989 10 24(275) Greg Ross DT
1989 11 9(28 Bert Weidner C
1989 12 8(315) J.B. Brown DB
1988 1 16(16) Eric Kumerow DE
1988 2 15(42) Jarvis Williams DB
1988 3 18(73) Ferrell Edmunds TE
1988 4 17(99) Greg Johnson OT
1988 5 17(126) Rodney Thomas DB
1988 6 16(153) Melvin Bratton RB
1988 6 19(156) George Cooper RB
1988 7 15(180) Kerwin Bell QB
1988 8 19(212) Harry Galbreath OG
1988 8 27(220) Louis Cheek OT
1988 9 18(239) Jeff Cross DE
1988 10 17(266) Artis Jackson DT
1988 11 15(292) Tom Kelleher RB
1988 12 15(320) Brian Kinchen TE
1987 1 16(16) John Bosa DE
1987 2 15(43) Rick Graf LB
1987 2 28(56) Scott Schwedes WR
1987 4 15(99) Troy Stradford QB
1987 5 20(132) Chris Conlin OT
1987 6 15(155) Lance Sellers LB
1987 7 14(182) Tom Brown RB
1987 8 15(210) Joel Williams TE
1987 8 17(212) Mark Dennis OT
1987 9 14(237) Tim Pidgeon LB
1987 10 15(266) Bobby Taylor DB
1987 11 14(293) Terence Mann DT
1987 12 15(322) Jim Karsatos QB
1986 2 25(52) John Offerdahl LB
1986 3 26(81) T.J. Turner DT
1986 4 25(107) James Pruitt WR
1986 5 26(136) Kevin Wyatt DB
1986 6 25(163) Brent Sowell DT
1986 7 27(193) Larry Kolic LB
1986 8 24(21 John Stuart OT
1986 9 26(247) Reyna Thompson DB
1986 10 25(274) Jeff Wickersham QB
1986 11 26(303) Arnold Franklin TE
1986 12 24(329) Rickey Isom RB
1985 1 27(27) Lorenzo Hampton RB
1985 3 9(65) George Little DT
1985 3 27(83) Alex Moyer LB
1985 4 7(91) Mike Smith DB
1985 4 27(111) Jeff Dellenbach OT
1985 6 5(145) George Shorthose WR
1985 6 27(167) Ron Davenport RB
1985 7 27(195) Fuad Reveiz PK
1985 8 27(223) Dan Sharp TE
1985 9 27(251) Adam Hinds DB
1985 10 27(279) Mike Pendleton DB
1985 11 27(307) Mike Jones RB
1985 12 27(335) Ray Noble DB

Know how many of those players were good?

Offerdahl, Cross, Stoyanovich, Oliver, Sims, Webb, Cox

A kicker, 2 OL, and 4 defensive players. IN SEVEN YEARS. That was drafted for Dan as he passed thru his 20's into his 30's.

Those losses you mentioned to the Bills in 90-92-95, they gave up 44, 29, and 37 ******* points. The Bills went to 4 straight Super Bowls because they took Thurman Thomas in the 2nd round, after Miami took their second consecutive Defensive End in the first round, each of those players played THREE YEARS in Miami and were complete and utter busts. (Bosa and Kumerow)

Miami's defense was DREADFUL for over a decade. Jimmy came in in 3 years and drafted Zach Thomas, Daryl Gardener, Jason Taylor, Sam Madison, Patrick Surtain and had a top 5 defense in no time. Shula couldn't get **** done for a decade.

Running game? Bernie Parmalee became the Dolphins STARTING RUNNING BACK after working for UPS. UuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuPpppppppppppppppppppppppppSsssssssssssssssssssss Friendly. The ******* guy worked for UPS, and became the starting running back. That's what Dan Marino had to work with. 7 years of worthless ******* draft picks, a UPS guy running the rock, and a defense that gave up over 300 yards rushing in one single playoff game.


You know NOTHING about what you are saying other than reading a ******* boxscore. I gave you a chance, you didn't cop to it, now you look as dumb as those 7 years worth of draft picks.

Move on.