NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[rolaholic]

I can't buy into the whole "MVP" conspiracy to the pick. You guys really believe that Carroll would actually risk a ring all because he wanted his QB to get the shine over his RB?? Really? 

 

[stillin729]

i'm with Stilln on this. i don't think it had anything to do with who the potential MVP would be. and i still don't think it was as dumb a playcall as everyone is saying. but whatever.

if it worked it would be the most genius call in SB history

"everyone was thinking it was going to Beastmode and Pete completely fooled em"

 

[DeadsetAce]

i'm with Stilln on this. i don't think it had anything to do with who the potential MVP would be. and i still don't think it was as dumb a playcall as everyone is saying. but whatever.

if it worked it would be the most genius call in SB history

"everyone was thinking it was going to Beastmode and Pete completely fooled em"

exactly

 

[The Glove]

also butler broke on that pass before russ even set his feet so outstanding play by him. probably less than a percent chance that you get intercepted on that play..the thing is you gotta pick a play where there's absolutely no chance to get picked. a rollout with wilson with the option of throwing it away should've been the call if you pass there

 

[captainsneakerhead23]

Why didn't they just run the damn bootleg with Russell if they wanted him to be the hero, I trust his feet more than his arm any day of the week.

They didn't want to see BeastMode shine

 

[IATT]

In that position, you run any of the following 3 types of plays:

1) run with lynch

2) run the tebow play.. Wilson starts out in shotgun with lynch next to him, lynch motions out.. And you're just spacing them out for a run by Wilson

3) read option



You still have a timeout so it isn't that bad if you don't score.. You can run down the clock some more and still have 2 more downs

 

[nick.]

i think Russ would've got MVP even if Lynch ran it in.

 

[The Glove]

i think Russ would've got MVP even if Lynch ran it in.

i think chris matthews, michael bennett, or marshawn would have gotten it.

 

[rolaholic]

 

i think Russ would've got MVP even if Lynch ran it in.

i think chris matthews, michael bennett, or marshawn would have gotten it.

I was about to say,Mathews should've gotten it had they scored a TD on the pass.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

i blame wilson and the receiver before uncle pete for the playcall

 

[elpablo21]

 

 

i think Russ would've got MVP even if Lynch ran it in.

i think chris matthews, michael bennett, or marshawn would have gotten it.

I was about to say,Mathews should've gotten it had they scored a TD on the pass.

last pass was to Lockette

Russ would have ended up with 3 TD's at that point...no way he doesnt get the MVP in that sitaution

 

[rolaholic]

 

 

 

i think Russ would've got MVP even if Lynch ran it in.

i think chris matthews, michael bennett, or marshawn would have gotten it.

I was about to say,Mathews should've gotten it had they scored a TD on the pass.

last pass was to Lockette

Russ would have ended up with 3 TD's at that point...no way he doesnt get the MVP in that sitaution

In the event they scored,you're right that Russ most likely would've gotten MVP but I wouldn't have minded seeing someone unheralded get it like Malcolm Smith last year. Mathews would've also deserved it. 

 

[tee eye ehm]

I've said it before:

You guys are fools if you think the reason the ball was not given to Marshawn on 2nd down was because they wanted to keep the MVP out of his hands.

If the Seahawks believed that Marshawn scoring a game winning TD = MVP, they wouldn't have given it to him on 1st down with a chance to score.

 

[ravagebx]

 
I can't buy into the whole "MVP" conspiracy to the pick. You guys really believe that Carroll would actually risk a ring all because he wanted his QB to get the shine over his RB?? Really? 

In a word? Yes. But I think it was more a of a subconscious than a conscious decision. They didn't see the risk, only the end goal. Which was Russell Wilson MVP and a Super Bowl chip. That was the mistake really, more than the decision. A good coach has to see that unnecessary risk. I cannot believe that if they saw the risk they would've done anything other than run. It wasn't a "let's not give Marsahwn the ball because he's not who we want to be MVP" move. It was a "let's give Russell a chance to get it right here b/c we can fall back on Marshawn" move. In giving Russell a chance and not going with the security blanket obvious call there's a hint of thought involved that is beyond just playcalling. It was the playcalling equivalent of a receiver taking off up field before securing the ball. And it will rightfully go down as one of the most boneheaded calls of all time.

 

[dontbelikethat]

Marshawn: "how y'all gon dress?"

Guys: "just casual. No suit or anything just some'n chill"

Marshawn: "FA SHO!" 

 

[DeadsetAce]

 

[jumpman ii]

So Oakland

 

[Chester McFloppy]

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BULLY.

 

[ravagebx]

 

 

i'm with Stilln on this. i don't think it had anything to do with who the potential MVP would be. and i still don't think it was as dumb a playcall as everyone is saying. but whatever.

if it worked it would be the most genius call in SB history

"everyone was thinking it was going to Beastmode and Pete completely fooled em"

exactly

I don't know why folks keep saying this. The point is that there was no need to fool anyone. If it works, cool you won. It's still not what should have been called. They opened themselves up to so much danger unnecessarily. Tipped pass, pass bouncing off a lineman, DB breaking on the ball. It was foolish man.

 

[mister friendly]

Guys act like they called a play named "interception"

How often do you see cornerbacks break on the ball on the 1yd line?

 

[DeadsetAce]

Guys act like they called a play named "interception"

How often do you see cornerbacks break on the ball on the 1yd line?

 

[jumpman ii]

Was more of a great play by Butler

 

[ravagebx]

Guys act like they called a play named "interception"

How often do you see cornerbacks break on the ball on the 1yd line?

Never when you run.

 

[tee eye ehm]

Guys act like they called a play named "interception"

How often do you see cornerbacks break on the ball on the 1yd line?

This.

The logic behind the pass in that situation is sound, but the actual play call could have been better.

It was a once in a lifetime, crazy, excellent play by Butler.

 

[rolaholic]

Was more of a great play by Butler

Always said this. It was much more of an outstanding play on the ball than a dumb play call imo