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WrightOne86 said:
And their front 7 makes the entire secondary's job easier.

What QB would throw to Sherman/Thomas side of the field? Of course you going to the other side.

You guys miss the entire point :lol:

I never said he wasn't good, but he is not God status on the field either. He is not miles ahead of the rest of the DBs out there. He is a product of a good system/scheme and the rest of the pieces around him are top tier as well, so you cannot give all the credit of that defense solely to him. Take Thomas and Chancellor out that secondary....is he still doing what he does now without them?
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there's no way of knowing. for all we know he could be just as good individually, obviously the defense of a whole would be worse off without kam and earl. i never understood why people discredit players for having good team mates. like...you want sherm to tell them to sit out a few games to prove a point to the haters? :lol:
 
a55a5in11 said:
Lmao you having a tough day, kid? My fam has had season tickets since day 1 so yeah I have been going to games my whole life. What this has to do with Sherman, I would love to know
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#1 I'm not a kid, so can cool it with that

#2 Nobody is having a bad day. It just amazes me how you guys get when someone disagrees with how you feel. No excuse needed why I don't like Sherman as much as you do, and I never said he was not good. I said he was not Deion good and a product of a scheme.
 
revis and sherm are both elite and both play on very good secondaries. no issue with anyone wanting revis over sherm, but calling sherm just a product of the system :smh:
 
Drigguh said:
there's no way of knowing. for all we know he could be just as good individually, obviously the defense of a whole would be worse off without kam and earl. i never understood why people discredit players for having good team mates. like...you want sherm to tell them to sit out a few games to prove a point to the haters?
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I am not saying that, but when you start comparing him to GOATs at the position, then the comparisons will start.

Same thing with the whole Kobe v MJ debates. People say Kobe has Shaq for his first 3, so you can't say those are Kobe's rings that he won, but you cannot take those rings from Kobe and he played a part in winning them, but.....we know how that debate goes on but that is just the example.

Deion played on multiple teams and always had the same result. Again, I did not say he was not good. I just said that with the team he has/had and in that system, and he does not cover the best WR at all times all over the field like other CB did, how can you accurately compare the 2?
 
Sherman plays left cornerback almost exclusively, so he covered No. 1 receivers just 27 percent of the time.

Revis shadowed No. 1 receivers 49 percent of the time. In Week 12, he held Calvin Johnson to three catches and 44 scoreless yards.
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This is all I am saying. You the best but don't even cover the best player at least 50% of the time?

If I know you staying on 1 side of the field, I am just designing my plays to purposely leave you over there by yourself and not worry about you.

Some people on here will say that he is so good that OC design plays to go away from him.

Others on here will say that he stays on 1 side, so just let my best players cook on the side he isn't on.
 
WrightOne86 said:
This is all I am saying. You the best but don't even cover the best player at least 50% of the time?


If I know you staying on 1 side of the field, I am just designing my plays to purposely leave you over there by yourself and not worry about you.

Some people on here will say that he is so good that OC design plays to go away from him.
Others on here will say that he stays on 1 side, so just let my best players cook on the side he isn't on.
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except no one's cookin the seattle secondary. i could see your point if receivers were going off consistently against seattle and sherm was staying on one side. but maxwell, simon, and lane are good cbs too plus we still have kam and earl.

say what you want but you can't argue with the results. number 1 pass defense.
 
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Who compared him? Dude posted a ttweet saying Sherman was having the best season since prime. Using facts. You want to use hypotheticals
 
WrightOne86 said:
Sherman plays left cornerback almost exclusively, so he covered No. 1 receivers just 27 percent of the time.

Revis shadowed No. 1 receivers 49 percent of the time. In Week 12, he held Calvin Johnson to three catches and 44 scoreless yards.
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If I know you staying on 1 side of the field, I am just designing my plays to purposely leave you over there by yourself and not worry about you.
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That didnt work out for Aaron Rodgers. That's exactly what he did when they played.

Im confused though, who the H said Sherman is better than Dieon. A stat is just a stat.
 
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a55a5in11 said:
Who compared him? Dude posted a ttweet saying Sherman was having the best season since prime. Using facts. You want to use hypotheticals
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The tweet was in reference to having the best season since Sanders in that particular statistical category (which phrased like that is a fact)


Lies, damn lies and stats
 
no one's saying sherm is better than prime..it's more of a testament to how good sherm is playing as of late
 
Drigguh said:
except no one's cookin the seattle secondary. i could see your point if receivers were going off consistently against seattle and sherm was staying on one side. but maxwell, simon, and lane are good cbs too plus we still have kam and earl.

say what you want but you can't argue with the results. number 1 pass defense.
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Yes, best pass defense as a team. Again like I said, he is on a great defense, so you cannot say the numbers he is putting up are all on him. When you on a defense like he is, your numbers are supposed to be good.
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Who compared him? Dude posted a ttweet saying Sherman was having the best season since prime. Using facts. You want to use hypotheticals
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You just answered your own question. I said he is not as good as Prime was and has a great team and system in place around him so, TO ME / MY OPINION, was that you cannot compare the 2, especially when Prime took on the task of shutting out the other team's best player constantly.

And I said with the team he has, and the fact that he does not cover the best WR on the field, I do not feel as though that stat properly depicts him or the Seattle defense. If it were "the Seattle secondary, is on pace to have the best year statistically" then fine. But to say just 1 person out of the grouping is responsible for this success is crazy. Just like you saying their D wouldn't be as effective without Sherman, you think that secondary with just Sherman and 3 other guys would be better than having those 3 and not Sherman?
 
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I mean isn't that basically what I said?
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You made it seem that he is having the best season for any corner since Deion. That is a very subjective statement. If you weren't inferring that then my mistake
 
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Jay02 said:
That didnt work out for Aaron Rodgers. That's exactly what he did when they played.

Im confused though, who the H said they'd take Sherman over Dieon?
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Nobody said they would take him over Prime.

Yea but you could also say it was the first game of the season, etc. I would love to see the rematch of those 2 team in the playoffs, but defense normally always prevails in those types of situations.

Like I said though, I never said he was not good, but that ENTIRE defense is good. I merely said that when you on an elite defense, as a whole, your numbers will look good and to compare his stats to Deion were a bit far fetched to me. The Seahawks' fanbase apparently did not like me saying that
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49ers cut Ray McDonald amid rape investigation

Posted by Michael David Smith on December 17, 2014, 3:37 PM EST
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The San Francisco 49ers have released defensive tackle Ray McDonald, hours after news broke that police searched his home in connection with an investigation into a sexual assault.

General Manager Trent Baalke said the 49ers made the decision to terminate McDonald’s contract because of a pattern of behavior that the team finds unacceptable.

That represents a sharp contrast from the 49ers’ approach to McDonald early this season. When McDonald was arrested and investigated in a domestic violence case, the 49ers steadfastly stood by him, even as they faced harsh criticism from those who said he had no business on the field at a time when Ray Rice, Greg Hardy and Adrian Peterson were all banished from the league. In that case, authorities ultimately decided not to charge McDonald.

There’s no word yet on whether McDonald will be charged in the new sexual assault case, but it’s clear that the 49ers have decided that McDonald is someone they no longer want representing their franchise.
 
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