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NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins
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JJ is amazing , but just doesnt affect the game as much as people think . hes not nearly as valuable as a top QB is , not even close
if you asked the texans to trade JJ Watt straight up for Brady , Rodgers , Brees , Rivers , Russell Wilson , Andrew Luck , Tony Romo , or Matt Ryan they would do it in a heartbeat
if you asked the texans to trade JJ Watt straight up for Brady , Rodgers , Brees , Rivers , Russell Wilson , Andrew Luck , Tony Romo , or Matt Ryan they would do it in a heartbeat
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How many Texans games have you watched?
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Everything was pretty on point until you said Matt Ryan...
I doubt they'd do that trade
I doubt they'd do that trade
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Luck and Rodgers are the only two I would trade JJ for if you are factoring in age and "elite" level
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Don't forget Manziel Da Gawd
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I'm not sure the Texans would be off with Andrew Luck minus JJ.
The Texans offense was serviceable enough to win 9 games (yes I'm expecting to beat the jags) with garbage at QB.
If you take JJ off the defense, the whole unit is brutally bad.
The Texans offense was serviceable enough to win 9 games (yes I'm expecting to beat the jags) with garbage at QB.
If you take JJ off the defense, the whole unit is brutally bad.
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All this QB being most valuable goes back to my point a few weeks ago. The position is inherently more important so the award is unfairly skewed to that position. I wish it was just a 'best player in the elageu' type award (shrugs)
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This. JJ is still an amazing athlete but the luxury of having a franchise quarterback is waaayyyyy better.
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Sinbad is rolling over in his grave seeing JJ get a TurboMan doll so easily.
that took me back...loved that movie
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This is al it is right here.
The Texans are TERRIBLE without him
We were talkin bout them gettin a top five pick and dudes are about to have a winning season and may possibly be in the Playoffs.
Thats mostly because of JJ, shout out to Foster too
He can literally shift the game with one play.
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The Texans are not a terrible roster at all. They have plenty of good players on both sides of the ball. People exaggerate way too much to prove their points.
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Swearing we, Cushing, Joseph, Reed, they have a few capable veterans.
Not to mention Duane Brown, Arian Foster, Hopkins, Johnson etc. on offense.
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He doesn't effect the game as much as people think
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Cushing is terrible now. Anyone who watched the Texans will tell you that. It's painful watching him try to run. He's still serviceable, but no where near the player he once was.
Swearinger can't cover anyone, but he's good against the run.
Joseph is a shell of himself too.
The names don't match the production anymore.
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You're talking like this is some bottom of the barrel defensive roster and its just not, it may be average to mediocre, but its results are statistically league average so it's basically playing to expectations.
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No player on defense affects the game as much as a quarterback.
No player.
grasp the fact that one guy touches the ball 60 times meanwhile a defensive player MIGHT get a couple sacks or ints at most per game.
It's simple.
It doesn't mean defensive players aren't great, not everything has to be one extreme or another. It's just impossible for a defensive linemen to affect ENTIRE games as much as good QBs. It's not their fault, they just don't touch the ball enough and it's become an offensive league.
Watt may be the best defensive player in the league, but he's not nearly as valuable as Brady, Rodgers, or Peyton are to their teams. Try plugging in their back ups and see if they'd still be playoff teams.
Watts missing the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row in a mediocre division.
No player.
grasp the fact that one guy touches the ball 60 times meanwhile a defensive player MIGHT get a couple sacks or ints at most per game.
It's simple.
It doesn't mean defensive players aren't great, not everything has to be one extreme or another. It's just impossible for a defensive linemen to affect ENTIRE games as much as good QBs. It's not their fault, they just don't touch the ball enough and it's become an offensive league.
Watt may be the best defensive player in the league, but he's not nearly as valuable as Brady, Rodgers, or Peyton are to their teams. Try plugging in their back ups and see if they'd still be playoff teams.
Watts missing the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row in a mediocre division.
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Isn't that the point though?
The impact that JJ has on this would be otherwise bad defensive is incredible.
I realize QBs impact the game more, and that's not really even debatable.
But JJ alone stalls/ends drives with impactful plays.
I feel like you can't properly evaluate the impact JJ has unless you watch all the Texans games.
The numbers alone don't even do justice to the impact he has lol
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No. Because you're talking down the rest of the roster, which is okay, to try and give Watt more credit than he deserves. As great as he has been he isn't singlehandedly responsible for the team being decent at defense.... It's just a narrative.
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The thing that frustrates me the most is people using his receiving touchdowns to GENUINELY argue his MVP case.
Whenever I hear someone use that as serious evidence I automatically cross them off my list of people to discuss football with
It's kinda hilarious...HE DOES IT ALL! HES INCREDIBLE...
Because no other player on that roster is capable of catching 1 yard touchdown passes right?...no one else can jump up and come down with the football...
Whenever I hear someone use that as serious evidence I automatically cross them off my list of people to discuss football with
It's kinda hilarious...HE DOES IT ALL! HES INCREDIBLE...
Because no other player on that roster is capable of catching 1 yard touchdown passes right?...no one else can jump up and come down with the football...
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I hate narrative arguments more than anything. See Mike Trout vs Cabrea.
But you can't really grasp the impact Watt has unless you've watched all the Texans games. And no one should have to suffer that pain lol
I don't see how this is a narrative situation. If you take Watt off the defense, excluding his sacks, passes getting batted down, the double teams that allow others to make plays and everything else, there's no way the defense unit is close to average.
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I agree. The fact he's scored a couple of TDs on offense really shouldn't hold much weight.
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Well no, but he's the star of that defense, there's many players in the league who a unit would drop off in a big way if he were missing.
I also do think Watt is probably MVP deserving based on what he has achieved this season. I just don't think the Texans defense is full of awful players.
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I don't think anybody in here is questioning whether Watt is inherently more valuable than the best 2 or 3 QBs in the game but when posters are saying this....
then yea I really think it should be questioned if you know what you're watching.
then yea I really think it should be questioned if you know what you're watching.
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