NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

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It's no feud. I know he's trying. That's fine.

But box scores don't tell stories, they don't explain situations.


One of Marino's biggest "misses" was a game at San Diego. Miami was perfect in the first half, something like a 21-6 lead at half.

"Mysteriously" the power went out in Miami's locker room at half. Zero light. No adjustments, nothin they could do, a weird stadium "accident".

Second half of course is goin the Chargers way. They score a TD, 21-13, Miami still in control.

Game gettin late, Chargers drivin, get down to goalline. 4th down. Marco Coleman makes a tackle, stops them on 4th down.

One problem. We have a retired UPS employee at RB. Try to run the ball.....you guessed it, safety.

21-15. And Chargers get the ball right back.

Defense back on the field, you know what happens, TD, that's a wrap. They actually would have been better off allowing TD on 4th, 21-20, get the kickoff, run normal offense, rest D a smidge longer, maybe win the game. Alas....

I believe they got in position for long Stoyanovich FG, but he missed it.

Marino that postseason, 5 TD's, 0 picks, 116 rating. Lost.

Couldn't run the ball. Defense wears down, wrap.

Surely Friendly remembers that game well. I bet the boxscore tells him all about it. :nerd:
 
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I got the order wrong. The safety came first, then the follow up TD, before the GW TD later.

It was the 94 season, the year after he tore his achilles.

But Stoyo did miss the FG at the buzzer, so to speak. 48 yarder.
 
You younger cats will be 35 before you know it.

Only then will you realize that 90 is old AF.

At 35, my own perception of being old AF has never once crossed my mind.
 
no joke -- i blame NFL films largely for people's perception of older QBs and 'vintage' football in general . their footage is always slowed down , and it gives the perception of the game being slower and less advanced

i was born in 87 , so i dont remember watching any football in the 80s . the other day they had the fog bowl game on and i was :wow: at the speed these dudes had back in the day and how damn hard they hit . thats why im gonna keep my nose out of these sort of arguments ; dont remember Montana or Marino's prime years

and btw -- this is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever seen


 
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I need to chime in on all this slander of Troy. Tony "choking" Romo is not better than Aikman. Romo is not half the QB that Troy was.

Comparing career stats of Aikman is misleading because Aikman had a short career with a few bad years at the beginning and very end of it. Even with that, Troy is not in the HOF for his regular season performances, he is in the HOF because when the playoffs started, he was like a different QB. He was a God in the playoffs. Games with 70% completions percentage. Aikman was as accurate a QB as I've ever seen in the playoffs.

Also Troy had a stronger arm than Romo and definitely stronger than Pennington. Romo can't even overthrow a receiver on the deep ball and every time he throws a sideline pass you hold your breath as it hangs in the air to get there. Also, what gets taken for granted with regards to athleticism is that Aikman had a very fast drop back.
 
Even in that Lions game, Romo looked like a rookie that can't even tell when a blitz is coming. Those are things that don't show up in the QB rating and stat line, but they show up in the eyeball test. In the Giants playoff game when Dallas went 13-3, Romo had plenty of opportunities to win that won but he again looked like a confused rookie taking bad sacks and intentional grounding penalties at the end of that game.
 
You can't talk about great quarterbacks without talking about Fran Tarkenton.

Fran Tarkenton's career as a National Football League quarterback started with the fledgling Minnesota Vikings in 1961, took him to the New York Giants in 1967, and then back to the Vikings in 1972.

In Minnesota's first game ever, the rookie from Georgia came off the bench to fire four touchdown passes and run for a fifth in a big upset of the Chicago Bears. For the next 18 seasons, the 6-0, 190-pound field leader never let up in his relentless quest of yardage and touchdowns.

At the time of his retirement, Fran owned every significant passing record – 3,686 pass completions, 47,003 passing yards, and 342 touchdowns. But particularly in his early years, Tarkenton attracted widespread attention as an exciting scrambler who took plays from sideline to sideline. Add his 3,674 yards rushing to his stunning passing totals and you have 50,677 yards – almost 29 miles or 500 football fields – of offensive progression. Yet Tarkenton was also a "quality" passer as his 80.4 passing rating that placed him in the upper echelon in that category demonstrates.

Tarkenton was a No. 3 draft pick of the 1961 Vikings. He became the starting quarterback early in his rookie season and continued his outstanding performances for the next six seasons. But in 1967, he was sent to the New York Giants in a trade that netted the Vikings two No. 1 and two No. 2 draft picks over a three-year period.

Five seasons later, Fran came back to Minnesota in another massive swap that cost the Vikings two veterans, a rookie and two high draft picks. In Fran's final seven years with the Vikings (1972-1978), he led Minnesota to six NFC Central Division titles and three Super Bowl appearances. He was named first- or second-team All-NFL three times and selected to play in nine Pro Bowls during his career.

 
my picks for the divisional round:

ravens
seahawks (but im pulling for panthers :smile: )
broncos

im still on the fence on cowboys vs packers. how bad is rodgers injury. how will romos back issues fare in the cold weather. will the o-line get back to playing like in the season. is jordy really top 3. is dez gonna dez. so many variables. i really think the cowboys can pull it off but rodgers at home even with that injury is hard to bet against. so with that:

packers


some great football games this weekend. enjoy fellas :nthat:
 
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