The Official Nike LeBron XII Thread- "July 4th/USA" & "King's Cloak/Red Paisley" 06/27/15

[illmatic]

Isn't it possible that those have fixed eyelets and the store released early by mistake

 

[invalid flow]

was messin around wit the hol and suprisingly can fit in a pair of elite socks even tho i went down half a size

but damn that lacing system is wack, it cuts into ur fingers especially if u have to lace it up a few times

the only thing i dont like about the shoe so far

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

He never wore the Soldiers that year. That was the 20-5-5s. I've never heard of the traction issues you mentioned that he had with the IIIs, but since he still primarily wore the IIIs during the playoffs, they clearly weren't that bad. Just look at the timeline:

http://nikelebron.net/photos/nba_05_06_timeline/

The first Soldiers didn't even debut until the following year, and that was back when Soldiers were his regular playoff shoe until they started doing P.S. and Elite models. He did switch off of wearing the IVs in favor of the 20-5-5s for a few games following an injury during the 06-07 year like @dwoodactennis mentioned, but he eventually went back to the IVs before debuting the original Soldiers later during the '07 Playoffs.

And the switch from zoom to max is not the same type of issue as what happened with the XIs. The XIs were supposedly designed with him in mind, but clearly that shoe did not work for him. He's never really had a shoe like that before that was supposedly designed and engineered for him that he couldn't even wear for most of the season. A switch in tech from one model to the next is not really the same thing.  

20/5/5, Soldier, wrong name, but whatever, he didn't finish the playoffs in the III's due to traction issues. 

But in regard to the bold and underlined, who said that they were? He has had issues with some of his shoes.

Nike switched from Zoom to Max Air due to his back issues, and Nike failed to make his sig shoe fit him properly with the XI. 

It would not surprise me none if this shoe isn't working for him and he is being forced to wear it, due last years screw up, and due to the bad publicity already gained from the shoe falling apart even before they hit retail.

 

[bigj505]

he would just wear the soldiers phuzzy badpheet .
there was a reason why he had the soldier 8 next to his locker on opening night. nike also wouldn't make the same mistake 2 consecutive years and have shoes for him that don't fit him well.

you can't put issues on his shoes like his back and stuff. thats a real reach.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

he would just wear the soldiers @Phuzzy Badpheet.
there was a reason why he had the soldier 8 next to his locker on opening night. nike also wouldn't make the same mistake 2 consecutive years and have shoes for him that don't fit him well.

you can't put issues on his shoes like his back and stuff. thats a real reach.

Scientifically, yes I can. In the know, yes the shoes were a problem in the VI. If they were a problem in the VI, then they can be a problem in the XII.

I am not saying that they are the problem, but you cannot rule it out. History proves that Nike has not gotten it right every time for LeBron.

As a well conditioned athlete, witnessing his training regime, knowing how much work he has put in this past off season, something is wrong.

 

[bigj505]

he would just wear the soldiers [@=/u/149760/Phuzzy-Badpheet]@Phuzzy Badpheet[/@].

there was a reason why he had the soldier 8 next to his locker on opening night. nike also wouldn't make the same mistake 2 consecutive years and have shoes for him that don't fit him well.


you can't put issues on his shoes like his back and stuff. thats a real reach.

Scientifically, yes I can. In the know, yes the shoes were a problem in the VI. If they were a problem in the VI, then they can be a problem in the XII.

I am not saying that they are the problem, but you cannot rule it out. History proves that Nike has not gotten it right every time for LeBron.

As a well conditioned athlete, witnessing his training regime, knowing how much work he has put in this past off season, something is wrong.

um ok. someone is definitely looking too deep into things. athletes have historically prospered with much less than what bron is rocking right now.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

um ok. someone is definitely looking too deep into things. athletes have historically prospered with much less than what bron is rocking right now.

Too deep?

There is no such thing.

Shallow thinking is what's dangerous, especially when one does not include all variables in order to determine a particular condition or response. Suggesting that he is simply getting old, is not fair to an athlete of LeBron's caliber, yet beneficial to Nike. If it is said that the shoes are helping LeBron through his career, then that would be cool, right?

The most innovative shoes known to man!

 

[rl_wayne]

He never wore the Soldiers that year. That was the 20-5-5s. I've never heard of the traction issues you mentioned that he had with the IIIs, but since he still primarily wore the IIIs during the playoffs, they clearly weren't that bad. Just look at the timeline:

http://nikelebron.net/photos/nba_05_06_timeline/


The first Soldiers didn't even debut until the following year, and that was back when Soldiers were his regular playoff shoe until they started doing P.S. and Elite models. He did switch off of wearing the IVs in favor of the 20-5-5s for a few games following an injury during the 06-07 year like [@=https://niketalk.com/members/102890"background-color:rgb(17,17,17);font-size:13px;"> 

20/5/5, Soldier, wrong name, but whatever, he didn't finish the playoffs in the III's due to traction issues. 

But in regard to the bold and underlined, who said that they were? He has had issues with some of his shoes.

Nike switched from Zoom to Max Air due to his back issues, and Nike failed to make his sig shoe fit him properly with the XI. 

It would not surprise me none if this shoe isn't working for him and he is being forced to wear it, due last years screw up, and due to the bad publicity already gained from the shoe falling apart even before they hit retail.

Going off the link I posted, he played in the 20-5-5s a grand total of 3 times out of 13 playoff games compared to 10 times in the IIIs. If the traction issues you keep referring to were that serious, why didn't he just wear the 20-5-5s for the whole playoffs then? Playing in them 3 times means finishing? Even in the summer when he played for Team USA, he still wore the IIIs more often than he wore the 20-5-5s.

The whole point I was trying to make is that any issues he's had with his sigs in the past were never as real/serious as his problems with wearing the XIs. Whether it's supposed traction problems on the IIIs or zoom vs max air, they clearly weren't serious enough for him to dump the shoes for the majority of the entire season, like what happened with the XIs.

Again, if it was THAT serious, he'd probably just wear the Soldiers again like last year. He's already lasted longer wearing the XIIs than he did wearing the XIs when he dropped the XIs by the second half of the second game. I think it's a reach to say he's being "forced" to wear the XIIs off of watching 6 games where he's worn the shoes every single game.

 

[ammforever23]

So did anyone purchase the DF's?

Yeah just got mine from champs. Going to use em for ball more than casual wear.

 

[bigj505]

um ok. someone is definitely looking too deep into things. athletes have historically prospered with much less than what bron is rocking right now.

Too deep?

There is no such thing.

Shallow thinking is what's dangerous, especially when one does not include all variables in order to determine a particular condition or response. Suggesting that he is simply getting old, is not fair to an athlete of LeBron's caliber, yet beneficial to Nike. If it is said that the shoes are helping LeBron through his career, then that would be cool, right?

The most innovative shoes known to man!

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[Bend_The_Knee]

Yeah just got mine from champs. Going to use em for ball more than casual wear.

Post pics when you can.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

Going off the link I posted, he played in the 20-5-5s a grand total of 3 times out of 13 playoff games compared to 10 times in the IIIs. If the traction issues you keep referring to were that serious, why didn't he just wear the 20-5-5s for the whole playoffs then? Playing in them 3 times means finishing? Even in the summer when he played for Team USA, he still wore the IIIs more often than he wore the 20-5-5s.

The whole point I was trying to make is that any issues he's had with his sigs in the past were never as real/serious as his problems with wearing the XIs. Whether it's supposed traction problems on the IIIs or zoom vs max air, they clearly weren't serious enough for him to dump the shoes for the majority of the entire season, like what happened with the XIs.

Again, if it was THAT serious, he'd probably just wear the Soldiers again like last year. He's already lasted longer wearing the XIIs than he did wearing the XIs when he dropped the XIs by the second half of the second game. I think it's a reach to say he's being "forced" to wear the XIIs off of watching 6 games where he's worn the shoes every single game.

Okay, traction issues aside, which is minimal, there is no DOUBT that the transition from Zoom Air to Max Air in the VII, was a big deal

It was a serious issue. 

This was also when a new designer came on board, so changes of that magnitude suggest that there was indeed an issue that needed to be dealt with.

There was also a shoe that was scrapped by Nike that was to be LeBron's shoe, one made of FoamPosite.

That one never saw the light of day.

 

[ventureblake]

Man comes off a triple-double and he's  "slowing down" 

Is it possible that the Decision pt.2 .....all that vacationing and getting ready for a newborn baby girl.....the diet....etc. etc. etc. , could have been his focus this off season?

I'm willing to bet money that he didn't train as hard as he did after the Dallas finals loss.  Bron Bron is just fine.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

I am certain that this is how LeBron looked at Nike reps, when the XI didn't fit him properly as well.

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

Man comes off a triple-double and he's  "slowing down" 

Is it possible that the Decision pt.2 .....all that vacationing and getting ready for a newborn baby girl.....the diet....etc. etc. etc. , could have been his focus this off season?

I'm willing to bet money that he didn't train as hard as he did after the Dallas finals loss.  Bron Bron is just fine.

NBA took away the triple double.

 

[mf gooze]

Im debating whether I should grab the NSRLs now or wait for the rerelease, just the eyelets will be different?

 

[Bend_The_Knee]

Im debating whether I should grab the NSRLs now or wait for the rerelease, just the eyelets will be different?

Yea.

 

[bigj505]

I am certain that this is how LeBron looked at Nike reps, when the XI didn't fit him properly as well.

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[ventureblake]

NBA took away the triple double.

 Oh snap, 9 assists ..... must have been the uncomfortable shoes 

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

If you cannot deal with logic and reason, post gifs, correct?

I think you are doing yourself a disservice, by taking the easy way out.

Point out the flaws in my reasoning in regard to LeBron and his current issues.

He is my favorite, both he and Rose, in the NBA. 

 

[ventureblake]

 
If you cannot deal with logic and reason, post gifs, correct?

I think you are doing yourself a disservice, by taking the easy way out.

Point out the flaws in my reasoning in regard to LeBron and his current issues.

He is my favorite, both he and Rose, in the NBA. 

It is not logical for you to assume that a shoe company is forcing the biggest athlete in the world to wear a shoe that is causing any sort of discomfort.  

 

[bigj505]

If you cannot deal with logic and reason, post gifs, correct?

I think you are doing yourself a disservice, by taking the easy way out.

Point out the flaws in my reasoning in regard to LeBron and his current issues.

He is my favorite, he and Rose, players in the NBA. 

its because your logic and reason has some serious flaws that you clearly do not see. you are the only one arguing your point and everyone else has given you long, thorough responses that you don't even take the time to absorb. stating that bron is your favorite player further shows you have an unbalanced view of things.

 

[frankw]

I'm a KG fan. Usually their thoughts are in line with mine. But I think they were off with this one for whatever reason. In my experience the traction is better than the XIs. Out the box I was barely getting any "squeaking" in the XIs. The XIIs are audibly louder and grab well on hard cuts in my experience. Is it the kobe 9 or jordan xx8? Not even close. But traction isn't a weakness imo.

Good to know. The lebron xi didn't squeak but didn't give me bad traction either. I still have the xx8, xx9, and kobe 9 as well in my rotation so I guess I will have to try them on before I make decision

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

 
It is not logical for you to assume that a shoe company is forcing the biggest athlete in the world to wear a shoe that is causing any sort of discomfort.  

They tried to fix the issues several times last year by changing the last of the XI, increasing the height of the toe box, using different materials, instead of simply scrapping the shoe all together.

You don't like the word forced, 'eh?  

So let's say encouraged.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

its because your logic and reason has some serious flaws that you clearly do not see. you are the only one arguing your point and everyone else has given you long, thorough responses that you don't even take the time to absorb. stating that bron is your favorite player further shows you have an unbalanced view of things.

Just because some people do not agree with me, does not mean that there are any flaws in my argument, it simply means that you disagree.

Fact is, LeBron had issues with his back in the VI, and he had issues with the XI in regard to fit. That said, Nike didn't get it right, so to suspect that he is having issues in this shoe is not a reach, considering past efforts by Nike.

Now, point out the flaw.