The Official Nike LeBron XII Thread- "July 4th/USA" & "King's Cloak/Red Paisley" 06/27/15

What is your favorite LeBron XII release?

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Dc30 said:
@Phuzzy Badpheet

I'm not sure of your background or knowledge etc in this area, but I will say this...I have been a trainer for 15 years. I have my degree in Exercise Physiology along with my CSCS from the NSCA and a few other certifications.

And to think that for whatever reason you are perceiving LeBron to be playing at less than optimal levels (in your eyes) based only on the XII being all wrong for him is absurb.

Ok so you say you're a fan and have seen him train etc. But you don't train with him, or like him, so do you really know how much stress he is putting on his body during a regular training session? Most likely no. Plus does he wear the XII while training? Most likely not either. But let's look at how long he wears whatever he wears during the day.

If he works out let's say he wears Air Maxes, and casual he wears more Air Maxes, other LeBron's, casual dress shoes, slides...whatever. I'm guessing that the time spent during an entire week outweighs the time spent wearing the XII at any given time. So to pin any physical issues on the shoes alone is again absurd. He just doesn't wear them enough for some acute physical ailment to arise...ESPECIALLY with amount of therapy/massage/nutrition he gets on a regular basis.

IF there is a physical issue going on, I can almost 100% assure you...his basketball shoes with his CUSTOM MADE inserts are not THE culprit. Especially not in the limited time spent in them over the entire week/month. Even more so given the fact that the season is so young.

The XI did not work for his inserts...this is not new. The drop in lunar changed the entire internal volume of his shoe, stacking an ortho in there on the lunar leaves almost no room for his feet. Did they try things for him? Yes...but to make him an ENTIRE new shoe? No point. They would have had to go to basically what the XII is, a NON insert shoe with a traditional insole/airsole/midsole setup...oh wait...they had one. The Soldier. So what did he do? SImply rocked another shoe with his name all over it.

Could you say encouraged? Sure...but ultimately his basketball career is bigger than his Nike contract, so Soldiers it was. AND if you look at sales numbers of the XI, they did remarkably well, so really, with the XII, what is Nike trying to fix? The shoe still sold and that was that.

IMO Nike is forcing nothing on him. He has worn them each game so far and multiples in game as well. I believe this shoe fits him just fine. I also believe Nike and LeBron did the beefed up wear testing as stated to AVOID the XI issues they had.

He's not as Superman as he usually is? Eh maybe, but people said that when he started in Miami too. 4 years is not that long ago to forget is it? And there is so much going on the you do NOT see that he does, that to pin anything on his shoes is again...absurd.
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Did Nike send you here?

I have a huge problem when someone has to list their credentials on a message board, in order to enter a debate.

None could be proven, and fact is, you don't know who I am, therefore suggesting that your background may be a bit more informed than mine, really is nothing but a STRAWMAN argument.

That said, LeBron had issues in two known shoes for Nike, regardless of the inserts used. 

That is a fact, and yes, Nike can encourage him to wear something so that they can save face, even if it puts his career in jeopardy.

Quite obviously, LeBron is having issues maintaining neutral, and I wonder why that is.

Insoles can only do but so much.

Thanks for your response.
 
Super Producer J said:
you know the answer to those simple rhetoric questions. But ask yourself this. Nike has already **** the bed when it comes to a signature shoe for this athlete. And what did he do? He wore a different shoe. If you suspect that the XII could be hurting his game, why hasn't he switched?

You don't just continue to wear something that hinders your game & hurts you. That's not how the human response to pain works.
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The reason he hasn't switched has everything to with LeBron and what he will tolerate.

If he honors his contract, then cool.

That said, it is a fact that Nike will force players to wear different shoes, as they did with Steve Nash.

They stopped him from wearing a favorite shoe of his.
 
Phuzzy Badpheet said:
Did Nike send you here?



I have a huge problem when someone has to list their credentials on a message board, in order to enter a debate.

None could be proven, and fact is, you don't know who I am, therefore suggesting that your background may be a bit more informed than mine, really is nothing but a STRAWMAN argument.

That said, LeBron had issues in two known shoes for Nike, regardless of the inserts used. 

That is a fact, and yes, Nike can encourage him to wear something so that they can save face, even if it puts his career in jeopardy.

Quite obviously, LeBron is having issues maintaining neutral, and I wonder why that is.

Insoles can only do but so much.

Thanks for your response.
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Nike did not send me. If you paid attention to my first sentence I did say "I do not know your background" so you are correct, I do not know you. But at the same time you are vehemently making your argument with not much empirical evidence other than conjecture on your part. You keep saying "FACT" on your opinions, but if you could present these facts to us, maybe we could get on your bandwagon. So by stating my background at least anyone who reads it might have a better understanding of why I am making said statements. Sorry to have offended you.

But I do not know who pissed in your cornflakes regarding the XII.
 
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Dc30 said:
Nike did not send me. If you paid attention to my first sentence I did say "I do not know your background" so you are correct, I do not know you. But at the same time you are vehemently making your argument with not much empirical evidence other than conjecture on your part. So by stating my background at least anyone who reads it might have a better understanding of why I am making said statements. Sorry to have offended you.

But I do not know who pissed in your cornflakes regarding the XII.
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Vehemently making my argument? lol

If you read correctly, my initial comment was a question. Someone came on and suggested that my question was not valid, and I presented my case by stating that LeBron has had issues with other shoes. The article posted quoting Jason Petrie even leans toward supporting my comment.

Pissed in my cornflakes?

Nope.

But I wouldn't be surprised if LeBron pissed on the XI.
 
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phuzzy badpheet phuzzy badpheet

Yes because you keep shooting EVERYONE and their $.02 down. If maybe you said "good point", "didn't think of that"...then maybe this discussion would be different. Is it fact that he did not wear the XI? Indeed it is. But you keep saying everything else is fact. Prove those facts. You also seem to be the only one saying LeBron is having a problem playing and remaining neutral. So unless you are LeBron or his trainer...personal or team...I am not seeing how all your thoughts on this are fact, because everyone else seems to think he's playing just fine.

With that, I think I am riding shotgun with bigj505 bigj505
 
Dc30 said:
@Phuzzy Badpheet

Yes because you keep shooting EVERYONE and their $.02 down. If maybe you said "good point", "didn't think of that"...then maybe this discussion would be different. Is it fact that he did not wear the XI? Indeed it is. But you keep saying everything else is fact. Prove those facts. You also seem to be the only one saying LeBron is having a problem playing and remaining neutral. So unless you are LeBron or his trainer...personal or team...I am not seeing how all your thoughts on this are fact, because everyone else seems to think he's playing just fine.

With that, I think I am riding shotgun with @bigj505
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Wait, you do realize that what's underlined and in bold, really doesn't make any sense, right?

Also I thought you were CSCS? You mean to tell us that you didn't know that when a person is having back issues, that this means that they are having difficulty remaining neutral? Really? This is why stating credentials on a message board is meaningless. It's all puffery. 

My remarks are clearly supported due to the fact that Nike had to change from Zoom to Max Air in the VII, and the fact that LeBron could not wear the XI last year.

These are facts.

Facts that are really ruffling some feathers.
 
How is this even a conversation still?

The guys entire theory has no basis, yet it goes on and on for pages.

Bron is fine, the shoes are fine, lets move on.
 
phuzzy badpheet phuzzy badpheet

You are correct, I did say CSCS. And I am. My girl is also a PT, that has her own practice and 20 yrs experience. I can easily link you her site where you can verify all her credentials to eliminate your strawman statement. Is he not maintaining neutral? i don't know. I have not seen a Cav game this season as of yet. So I can't comment on the inversion/eversion of his foot. But what I'm saying from a clinical standpoint you don't know his inversion/eversion either do you? The correct way to measure neutral is to have your person lie down on their stomach, feet hanging off the edge of the table, using a goniomter from the plum line from the center of the heel to the floor. If he is neutral then there is equal distance on each side of the goniometer arm. Inversion or eversion will show not equal obviously depending on which it is.

Have you measured his foot position? I'm guessing no. His orthotics are supposed to correct any non neutral issues he may have. So has this been an issue from shoe to shoe? Probably. But just because a back issue is present, does not mean it's solely from non neutral feet. 80% of the populations back issues are from tight hamstrings. Just not the case.

I'm merely stating that you are blaming his back issue (fact?) and his ability to not maintain neutral on his shoes. But again, based on the clinical method of testing this (which is most likely how his orthotics were made) you do not know what he is or isn't actually doing. Unless you are testing him yourself.
 
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Phuzzy Badpheet said:
That is a fact, and yes, Nike can encourage him to wear something so that they can save face, even if it puts his career in jeopardy.
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Nike is not gonna put a cash cow athlete in jeopardy, this may be one of the most idiotic things I've ever read on #NT def in the top 10, yes they can force him by contract to wear a Nike shoe, and they can encourage him to wear his shoe, but they ain't gonna do anything that will hender his career which would hinder his shoe line in the long run which would hinder their funds, Lebron could come out and wear a Kobe/KD/Foamposite you name it so long as it's got a swoosh on it
 
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