Dame Dash says Steve Stoute is a "Culture Robber"...

Yeah I saw that. I was hoping you were joking.

All of that "empowerment" he so called pushed them to do was under him and just built his brand and made him money :lol: How is that different from a 360? They were still under the label.

The actual SP other than Beans didn't even make money off the Pro Keds or Rocawear deals, and Beans said he still is owed money.

That empowerment :lol:
 
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Guiding your artists to build their own brands in not only music, but in merchandise/alcohol etc as opposed to just being artists isn't empowering?

Appointing them to executive positions in your company instead of keeping them in the booth isn't empowering?

You got it.

360 deals include live. That's how it's different from a 360. Live shows/appearances is actually an artist's primary revenue stream.

360's can also include publishing.
 
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illphillip said:
Guiding your artists to build their own brands in not only music, but in merchandise/alcohol etc as opposed to just being artists isn't empowering?

Appointing them to executive positions in your company instead of keeping them in the booth isn't empowering?

You got it.

360 deals include live. That's how it's different from a 360. That is actually an artist's primary revenue stream.
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He wasn't teaching them to do it on their own. He brought to them, I will put out SP clothing. But it was under Rocawear. He didn't say why don't you try and get your own clothing deal. I'll introduce you to some people. Empowering them is teaching them how to do for self. O and Sparks were wearing clothing, a name they helped build, and weren't seeing a dime.

Building their own brands, but he's eating off each and every thing,while many of them make nothing or peanuts. :lol:

Dame had good qualities. He fought for his artist, but a lot of that was also about his ego. He knew that would only build his brand. The more they benefitted, the more he would.

Dame is a hustler, and he's hustling a lot of you obviously.
 
Magic1978 said:
He wasn't teaching them to do it on their own. He brought to them, I will put out SP clothing. But it was under Rocawear. He didn't say why don't you try and get your own clothing deal. I'll introduce you to some people. Empowering them is teaching them how to do for self. O and Sparks were wearing clothing, a name they helped build, and weren't seeing a dime.

Building their own brands, but he's eating off each and every thing,while many of them make nothing or peanuts. :lol:

Dame had good qualities. He fought for his artist, but a lot of that was also about his ego. He knew that would only build his brand. The more they benefitted, the more he would.

Dame is a hustler, and he's hustling a lot of you obviously.
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Soooo your just going to completely Ignore the work he did with Cam & jim? are you telling me he didn't teach them how to do things for themselves?
He literally made Beans an executive and put him in charge of a label.... how is that not putting them in a position to learn..
Do you see how Just blaze has maneuvered on his own accord?
How Freeway has continued to have a solid career and tour after all these years?
Hell look at Curren$y and how he worked his independence until he got to a major.

Just because you teach someone doesn't automatically mean they are going to put those lessons into action. Most execs don't care if their artist is alive until it's time to put up money for an album, Dame took care of people's expenses, Fought to make sue their contracts were right, gave them exec positions in his company, helped them create record companies of their own & yet you claim he hasn't tried to put anybody on or helped empower Artist.
 
Of course he was teaching them. You have to crawl before you walk.

Just putting them in a position to do things outside of music is empowering. Giving them VP gigs so they can understand the business of music from the other side is empowering.

The slave deal at a label is...you go make music, and if we like it, we'll put it out. This is far from that.

I think it's naive for you to expect him to just hand them companies without seeing some compensation for it.

Or expect these dudes to have the business savvy to go out and do their own clothing deal while not knowing anything about that business. Same with music and same with liquor.

Why shouldn't he make money while he's teaching them?

You don't think he introduced them to people in the clothing business? Or the liquor business? You don't think they met people in the film business doing the State Property flicks?

And Dame helped put them in a position to do all of that. Which is not something a label head has to do by any means.

I don't think anyone is suggesting he's an angel that selflessly gave unto his artists. He's a ******* businessman. But he still did more for his artists than most label heads have or still do.

:lol: at even mentioning Omilio Sparks. Dude put O in movies. Where was the benefit in giving an unknown artist a lead in a film?

But nah, he ain't do nothing for that man :lol:
 
tyisny said:
Soooo your just going to completely Ignore the work he did with Cam & jim? are you telling me he didn't teach them how to do things for themselves?
He literally made Beans an executive and put him in charge of a label.... how is that not putting them in a position to learn..
Do you see how Just blaze has maneuvered on his own accord?
How Freeway has continued to have a solid career and tour after all these years?
Hell look at Curren$y and how he worked his independence until he got to a major.

Just because you teach someone doesn't automatically mean they are going to put those lessons into action. Most execs don't care if their artist is alive until it's time to put up money for an album, Dame took care of people's expenses, Fought to make sue their contracts were right, gave them exec positions in his company, helped them create record companies of their own & yet you claim he hasn't tried to put anybody on or helped empower Artist.
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What :lol:

How do you pick and choose the examples?

So did he teach Jay-Z or did he have that within him internally?

That Beans and Cam VP thing never even happen. How do you create executive positions without telling one of your partners in the company? That doesn't seem fishy to you?

Just Blaze has done well, because he's Just Blaze. They had other producers besides Kanye and Just Blaze. Do you give Dame the blame for their lack of success? Have you listened to Just talk about Dame? That's how most people think of Dame in the industry. They give him credit for him as a businessman, but his personality rubbed most people the wrong way. There's always a but.

How has no other member of SP not managed to have a solid career besides Freeway?

Dame did what No Limit did with the movies and had his artist. Empowering or building a brand and making money?

The difference is that most artist expect your Irv, Puff, Suge, Master P, J Prince, Baby/Slim's to be more hands on and different. So who are you comparing Dame too? Them or people like, Lyor, Jimmy Iovine and Kevin Liles? Because even though they gave the standard industry deal, Kevin did talk to artist and give advice.

It's also about the artist some white execs had close relationships with their artist. It depends on the artist. Every situation isn't equal.

And no I don't think much of a lot of his empowerment, because most of it was to benefit Dame.
 
I picked examples of people who he CLEARLY put into higher positions and made protege's.

So because dame didn't literally make 100 other Men rich underneath him, he didn't empower them?

Paying for projects is empowering, helping with business models is empowering, showing people how to make money in other avenues outside of music is empowering, showing someone how to review their own contracts and not get screwed over is empowering?

But your rebuttal is Kev Lyles & some other white execs talked to their artist also :rolleyes.

How many times did they say we want to give you control of the content you release in your music?
How many times did they say let me put you up with some writers and directors let's start a film project where your my PARTNER?
How many times did they say come under my half a billion dollar company and become an executive in clothing and eat of of that?
How many times did they say Don't make that move because that could impact your brand in a negative way in the future?

Dame has been called an ******* a million & 1 times NEVER have i heard anyone he's worked with call him selfish or make a claim that he didn't fight in their best interest.

Your acting as if these moves Dame was making was something he needed to do. In every case i mentioned his name was the draw and instead of keeping all the cash to himself he saw an opportunity to make someone else some money & flourish in a different industry.

As Of today he's has his hands in his own companies and **** he needs to be running, yet he helped Jim Jones get his clothing company off the ground, He helped cam get the dipset gear up & running, He linked cam up with A-Trak to do a project. etc etc etc.... none of this was something he Needed to do yet he's involved and sharing his knowledge to help other dudes get their business off the ground.
 

15:44 - 17:32 PRIME example of what dame is talkin about 

all this talk about what he did and didnt do during his reign at rocafella is objective to me . we all know dame has preached this same type of ideology since day one .  that was their whole entry into the game . as for beans , dame looooked ooooout . with dame being out of the picture , i wonder who's going to his court dates and paying lawyer fees now ? he went from having state property , state property clothing , and 2 state property movies to being state property
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  on the flip side look at cam and the dips . even without being on top the way they were in the early 2000's them dudes still cleaning up . just because beans failed doesnt mean dame didnt try . 



watching nore talk about how dame barked on def jam for trying to play him over a video budget for a song they didnt even want and admitting that dame was right reminds me of kanye saying he rolled with jay because dames truth was just too harsh . even in the vlad converstation videos , the way he be cutting vlad off is just insanely disrespectful to me but its almost like he cant help himself from being that way . dames way of moving may have been (or still is) a lil unorthodox , but i do think he has good intentions . which is saying a lot when compared to the mentality of most people doing business in the music industry . 
 
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thought dame was joking since kevin hart really blew up.......didn't take it for begging 
 
Dame a culture vulture to this whole Harlem sticks together ish is some old y'all don't leave me to. .He always been about pushing everything except the culture of hip hop .
 
Damn is speaking the real but now he going into overkill with it now he been saying the same thing for the last 2 months now...Its crazy that DAME is all about exposing people like Lyor but FREDDIE FOXX said he was telling DAME & All those other clowns about LYOR & people like him in the late 90's but nobody believed or listened to him..
 
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Dame just comes across as shady and a bully .The way he treated his employees then woulda got him a hefty lawsuit .Like I said beside fueling the current pop and over commercialized rap industry what has Dame Dash done for the culture of hip hop to improve it.He gave us liquor ,cheap singles ?flash over substance false titles and labels what has he done or what is he doing to fix what he started .
All I see is more upscale urban product placement in his interviews for those wack cook
 
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Dame just comes across as shady and a bully .The way he treated his employees then woulda got him a hefty lawsuit .Like I said beside fueling the current pop and over commercialized rap industry what has Dame Dash done for the culture of hip hop to improve it.He gave us liquor ,cheap singles ?flash over substance false titles and labels what has he done or what is he doing to fix what he started .
All I see is more upscale urban product placement in his interviews for those wack cook
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Thats why hes speaking out about it now, to make artist of this generation aware of these people & major labels

But certain (sensitive) type of dudes cant handle dames demeanor, thats why i figure people dont like him
 
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^incorrect

its the name of his art exhibit/store in harlem

the sweatshirt is simply a promo peice.
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^incorrect

we been saying 

"whats poppington" "whats goodington"

for like 8 years uptown.
 
Dame gave us Creative Control, though.

That alone pushed the culture forward ALOT.

That whole 24 Hour Karate School era is the reason why alot of these young cats is lookin up to who they look up to, and the reason why alot of the **** that's cool now is cool.

Dude had Wiz, Currensy, Stalley, Black Keys, Dom Kennedy, alot of people under one roof in NYC just smoking mad weed being creative during the time where these dudes were outsiders and were setting trends for how alot of cats nowadays are dressing and carrying themselves.
 
knowledgebones72 said:
Dame gave us Creative Control, though.

That alone pushed the culture forward ALOT.

That whole 24 Hour Karate School era is the reason why alot of these young cats is lookin up to who they look up to, and the reason why alot of the **** that's cool now is cool.

Dude had Wiz, Currensy, Stalley, Black Keys, Dom Kennedy, alot of people under one roof in NYC just smoking mad weed being creative during the time where these dudes were outsiders and were setting trends for how alot of cats nowadays are dressing and carrying themselves.
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All Truth..... and to say that this guy didn't help move the culture when he's DIRECTLY involved with the music careers of Jay-Z, Kanye West, Beanie Sigel, & The Diplomats/Cam

Are you guys serious? he started the commercialization of hiphop? Hard Knock Life? The Truth? Through The Wire? Oh Boy? Money Cash ****? and COUNTLESS others. Dame never forced someone to go commercial and not be themselves (Outside of that horrible sunshine video lmao). Rocafella went commercial by doing the music they wanted and making the world feel it.

If your talking about the Bling and flash... that has been around since Hiphop Began hiphop comes from the hood people from the hood have ALWAYS wanted to portray a rich and flashy lifestyle.

Oh and back to the point of he hasn't contributed anything how about the Hard Knock Life Tour being the first hardcore act to be in arenas like them.
 
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