Jordan Brand will be remastering (building better quality shoes) starting in 2015

digiballs said:
I agree with you about everything except their moral obligation.  The only obligation that JB has are to their shareholders.   Its what wrong with the world today, but profits and dividends trump everything homey
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Yeah, I understand that their shareholders are important, as they were the providers of the capital that made it possible for them to really expand the Line. However, morally they have an obligation to the consumer, because with out us, there are no products, no shareholders, and no profit. They have made billions over the years, and I think this is their small way of fixing things while continuing to pad their pockets.

I think as an owner, you have to look at your product from time to time and make sure it looks good and performs well (Physically not Monetary). Over the past 10 years, it seems that they have looked at their product and actually been proud of what they produced. They were blinded by Greed and Hype, because you and I know that the majority of what they produced was cheap and nothing to be proud of aesthetically. I think they are finally doing this, but of course, they still want to capitalize on it, because it really makes no sense to go back and say you made a mistake and say you produced the cheapest possible product and accepted everybody's money in the process.
 
El Bro said:
Yeah, I understand that their shareholders are important, as they were the providers of the capital that made it possible for them to really expand the Line. However, morally they have an obligation to the consumer, because with out us, there are no products, no shareholders, and no profit. They have made billions over the years, and I think this is their small way of fixing things while continuing to pad their pockets.

I think as an owner, you have to look at your product from time to time and make sure it looks good and performs well (Physically not Monetary). Over the past 10 years, it seems that they have looked at their product and actually been proud of what they produced. They were blinded by Greed and Hype, because you and I know that the majority of what they produced was cheap and nothing to be proud of aesthetically. I think they are finally doing this, but of course, they still want to capitalize on it, because it really makes no sense to go back and say you made a mistake and say you produced the cheapest possible product and accepted everybody's money in the process.
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Dont get me wrong, I agree with you in principle.
 
digiballs said:
Dont get me wrong, I agree with you in principle.
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Yeah, I know man. Thanks. I just want JB to get it right for a change. I mean how hard can it be to make stuff like it was it 1999-2003? They are a Billion dollar company with tons of resources.
 
El Bro said:
Yeah, I understand that their shareholders are important, as they were the providers of the capital that made it possible for them to really expand the Line. However, morally they have an obligation to the consumer, because with out us, there are no products, no shareholders, and no profit. They have made billions over the years, and I think this is their small way of fixing things while continuing to pad their pockets.

I think as an owner, you have to look at your product from time to time and make sure it looks good and performs well (Physically not Monetary). Over the past 10 years, it seems that they have looked at their product and actually been proud of what they produced. They were blinded by Greed and Hype, because you and I know that the majority of what they produced was cheap and nothing to be proud of aesthetically. I think they are finally doing this, but of course, they still want to capitalize on it, because it really makes no sense to go back and say you made a mistake and say you produced the cheapest possible product and accepted everybody's money in the process.
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thats not how IPO's work... the only thing important to a public traded company is its shareholders..
 
AlBundy15 said:
 
I would argue that the costs of manufacturing decrease as they are using cheaper materials.
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i wouldnt agree with that.. the wages in China have gone up and improving the facilities these workers are in.. Nike caught a LOT of flake with whole sweatshop thing in the 90s have really cleaned up there act over there.
 
HollaHollygrove said:
 
YALL INFLATION EXPERTS NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS OTHERWISE YOUR INFLATION REASONING IS NULL AND VOID!!! AND YES... I QUOTED MYSELF...
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Inflation isnt the only reason you see a price increase.. its ONE of the factors..

a good example is fuel prices.. it is almost 4x what it was in the 90s.. so now shipping and distribution costs increase..  who do you think is going to eat the cost of that?  Nike or consumers?
 
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digiballs said:
 
No we dont.  Im wasting my time talking to you so Im done.  If you dont believe that inflation plays a part in the prices then you're ignorant.
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I been told u my convo with u was over... yall say inflation is the main reason for increases yet have ZERO explanation as to why retros 10 years after OG release still cost OG PRICE!!! No explanation whatsoever... So like I said I guess inflation is just starting with these "Remastered" retros??? LMAO at you Jordan faithfuls... A bunch of smart dummies!!!
 
hulk7280 said:
thats not how IPO's work... the only thing important to a public traded company is its shareholders..
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Company goes public, sells shares, gains capital, uses capital to further expand its product line. No interested parties, no Extra Capital. The consumer should always be the number 1 priority for a company, public or private. Im not saying JB hasn't kept the Consumer interested, im saying they haven't produced the top notch product they should be. Morally, as a company, you keep raising the price, you should give a top notch product in return. It shouldn't just be because they have to satisfy shareholders. That's going to happen regardless, because of the hype and history of the line.
 
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HollaHollygrove said:
I been told u my convo with u was over... yall say inflation is the main reason for increases yet have ZERO explanation as to why retros 10 years after OG release still cost OG PRICE!!! No explanation whatsoever... So like I said I guess inflation is just starting with these "Remastered" retros??? LMAO at you Jordan faithfuls... A bunch of smart dummies!!!
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I believe prices weren't raised because they had no room to do it, but they also didn't have R&D and Marketing Cost. Similar to Reeboks situation now. They had to keep appealing to the consumer, but the hype and demand was no where near what it was today. Its when they figured out that limiting releases and making it seem like certain products were rare that hype and panic started to play a roll. When the white/laser IVs and Altitude XIII's sold out right away, they had figured out their way to sell out on launch day. Doing that every so often, and bringing back OG colors started to create the Hype Train. Then they knew once they brought the XI back it would create a frenzy. Panic is what creates all this, because so many people believe they cant live without their favorite shoes, causing line up for hours and in most cases cause them to pay more for them because they couldn't get them.
 
El Bro said:
Company goes public, sells shares, gains capital, uses capital to further expand its product line. The consumer should always be the number 1 priority for a company, public or private. Im not saying JB hasn't kept the Consumer interested, im saying they haven't produced the top notch product they should be. Morally, as a company, you keep raising the price, you should give a top notch product in return. It shouldn't just be because they have to satisfy shareholders. That's going to happen regardless, because of the hype and history of the line.
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There product hasnt been top notched, yet they are still selling out like crazy.. so why would you spend more money to make 5% of the die hard sneakerheads happy?  because the other 95% are just happy they got the latest retro! 

If people really wanted to make a change, you make it with your wallet and stop buying retros and let them sit.. but we all know that isnt going happen.

and Unfortunatly as a publically traded company you live and die by your shareholders, so that will always be the number 1 priority of any publically traded company.
 
instead of going off old prices and inflation rising or not why dont we look at other comparable shoe companies and their retros and their quality and prices? if so then they are def over priced, reeboks dont go for that much and their leather is nice and beats nike 24-7, heck even british knights kick nikes butt in the price to quality debate so the fact that nike decides to finally give us half way decent quality but raises the prices to out of this world (in the realm of what they are selling compared to what it used to be) is just crazy. if they gave us OG quality down to the T i wouldnt be here typing this but we all know that these pics will look good and the final product will still be lacking and they still will sell out.
 
rcjbbp1313 said:
instead of going off old prices and inflation rising or not why dont we look at other comparable shoe companies and their retros and their quality and prices? if so then they are def over priced, reeboks dont go for that much and their leather is nice and beats nike 24-7, heck even british knights kick nikes butt in the price to quality debate so the fact that nike decides to finally give us half way decent quality but raises the prices to out of this world (in the realm of what they are selling compared to what it used to be) is just crazy. if they gave us OG quality down to the T i wouldnt be here typing this but we all know that these pics will look good and the final product will still be lacking and they still will sell out.
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Not singling you out but there are so many wrong things being said in this thread.

1.  Nobody said that the price increases are due to inflation only.  We have been saying it is a factor in the price increase

2.  The people talking about inflation (me included) have also been saying that Hype and Nike's kick *** marketing team, have played into the price increase as well
3.  Comparing another companies product, or another product does not mean anything.  All these companies are faced with inflation, but the company ultimately decides how fat or slim their margins are going to be.  Reebok is not in a position to put out high priced products.  They need to first try playing catch up to Nike then worry about fattening the bottom line.  The way Reebok can fatten their pockets is by attracting new clients and loyal ones, THEN hit them with the price hikes.  The dont have a choice but to compete with better products and cheaper prices.

4.  Nike as a public company needs to care about their shareholders FIRST.  The stock price, the dividends, are all based on revenue and thats what matters in corporations.  Its short sighted, its wrong, but its reality.  Nike is the same as BP - maximize your profit.  If that means letting the customer eat the inflation, lessening the quality of your product etc. so be it thats just how it works.  Ever bite into a twinkie and wonder why when you were a kid there was more frosting inside of it.. COSTS and PROFIT.

5.  As someone else pointed out.  You dont like it you vote with your wallet.  When the Board of Directors and shareholders see that profits are dropping, they will question why.  When it comes out that people are upset with quality, then things will change.  Until then nothing will happen.

Folks in here need to understand that its not a simple answer.  If it was we would all be handed our masters and economics degrees just by reading this thread.

Damn.
 
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hulk7280 said:
There product hasnt been top notched, yet they are still selling out like crazy.. so why would you spend more money to make 5% of the die hard sneakerheads happy?  because the other 95% are just happy they got the latest retro! 

If people really wanted to make a change, you make it with your wallet and stop buying retros and let them sit.. but we all know that isnt going happen.

and Unfortunatly as a publically traded company you live and die by your shareholders, so that will always be the number 1 priority of any publically traded company.
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I agree with not increasing quality and they would still sell out. Im just saying this is why I believe they are increasing the quality of materials, while also padding their pockets. And Its not about making 5 percent of Die Hard consumers happy, its about creating the best possible product you can and passing that on to your consumers. You can do that and still make the shareholders happy. There are many companies out there who create the best product they can and leave their shareholders happy. They have had 10 years of creating shoes at the lowest price they can and selling for the most they think the market can bare. I believe they have realized that, and that's why this remastered series is happening. Its a step in the right direction.

Also, in regards to price, most of time Im able to use a coupon towards retros. In the times where I cant use the coupon, I don't buy the shoe, except for the rare occasions where I really want the shoe.
 
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HollaHollygrove said:
 
Ooooooh yea he said it!!! You sound like an idiot BRUH... I see the type of things that really matter to you in life... maybe you'll get it one day if u ever become a man with a family and other real life responsibilities... as long as clowns like you walk the earth these ridiculous prices will continue to increase...
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LOL you mad breh? Yeah....you're mad. Don't get mad just because I'm telling you that you sound like a broken record, idiot. The prices are going up incrementally. SO what, it's 200 now. You're preaching is over sensationalized. You're acting like a big crying baby over a dropped toy. It's not that big of a deal, yet you're acting like the sneaker world is doing us some inhumane injustice that challenges our integrity. It's just a few bucks, baby. If 200 dollars is a lot for some J's to you then just keep it moving. Complaining is just ******ed. Like I said, if they doubled the price to like, 300 or so....then I'd see the b!tching. 200 isn't even a lot. You're just a struggler.
HollaHollygrove said:
 
I been told u my convo with u was over... yall say inflation is the main reason for increases yet have ZERO explanation as to why retros 10 years after OG release still cost OG PRICE!!! No explanation whatsoever... So like I said I guess inflation is just starting with these "Remastered" retros??? LMAO at you Jordan faithfuls... A bunch of smart dummies!!!
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Ready for an economics lesson?  You can only price products along with inflation trends if the demand remains constant. The demand for Jordan's, and sneakers in general, had already decreased a lot when they retroed 10 years later. There was still a fan base for it, but it wasn't anywhere the "I wanna be like Mike" era. Sooooo, they had to price to meet demand. Now that demand has picked back up, they can price right alongside inflation again. And LOL at you trying to tell me about responsibilities. I'm a grown *** man with a mortgage, not some little crying baby complaining about sneaker prices that went up a few bucks. NO matter how many times you use triple exclamation points after every sentence, you're still gonna be the one looking like the idiot.
 
If its inflation why is the trainer max 91 110? And feel a helluva lot better than my 200 dollar jordans?

Inflation is one helluva drug
 
NobleKane said:
If its inflation why is the trainer max 91 110? And feel a helluva lot better than my 200 dollar jordans?

Inflation is one helluva drug
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I didn't say inflation was the main reason for the prices, I just said inflation makes it possible. You still need demand. The trainer max 91 doesn't have the demand to support the inflation. Retro J's do. If it wasn't for inflation, you wouldn't be able to charge 200 for J's. But when everything else around you is getting more and more expensive (as I mentioned with earlier examples of MacBooks, Louis bags, etc.), it makes it a lot easier to accept the increased pricing.
 
If the trainer max 91 doesnt have the demand then why in the blue hell does nike keep bringing them back out? Lol

This like the third or fourth time in a decade they out
 
NobleKane said:
If the trainer max 91 doesnt have the demand then why in the blue hell does nike keep bringing them back out? Lol

This like the third or fourth time in a decade they out
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There's enough demand to still sell the shoe for profit. There isn't enough demand to price it alongside inflation. Got it?
 
Definitely don't mind $20 to hav the quality back. Now I don't hav to worry about all my OGs falling apart when I wear them. I can actually own and new, high quality, Jordan.
 
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Mad? Because ur a smart dummy? Not at all... I'm laughing... Not with you... At you! Now y'all changing ya tune from it's entirely due to inflation to its a lot of different factors... Which is what I have been saying the whole entire time! Then when someone begs to with differ with y'all OPINION y'all turn into JB reps... Your pathetic internet know it all demeanor doesn't faze me one bit BRUH! I don't care what you say... Your sense of logic is minuscule!
 
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NobleKane said:
If its inflation why is the trainer max 91 110? And feel a helluva lot better than my 200 dollar jordans?

Inflation is one helluva drug
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your picking and choosing shoes you cant do that.. there is ALWAYS going to be an exception to the rule, but the price overall of sneakers has risen overtime not just Jordans.. i mean air max 95's are 159 dollars... air max 2014's are 179.. flyknit air maxs are 225!!!! brons are 200 dollars, KD 7 are 150..

 
 
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I think that we've come to the conclusion on this thread that while inflation is very real, Nike will pick and choose which shoes they will allow to be affected by that inflation. 

Correct?

If that is indeed the case, while inflation is simply an influencing factor, it is indeed not the determining factor, especially when it comes to a price increase, the usage of quality materials, and then getting a well made product coming from Nike. All that really matters, is if there are a bunch of suckers ready to part with their money.

Did I get it right?
 
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