In that case, I think it's different days for each contract. I swear I read someone's was the day before, or after the draft.
So it may not be a league wide date, but contract by contract.
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In that case, I think it's different days for each contract. I swear I read someone's was the day before, or after the draft.
So it may not be a league wide date, but contract by contract.
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Vonleh should be solid for the Lakers if they go in that direction. Same with Randle if he's healing well. I'd like to see Exum there but that might be tough to pull off.
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Randle would be the perfect choice given how the last two seasons have gone for the Lakers with injuries.
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its actually the 10th this year,1st-9th is the free agent moratorium period.
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japanair? come on dog you aint been around for ages. i thought you died? how you gonna just pop up like a wack a mole.............mole and just up and make the offseason thread??? 
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Whether Melo leaves or not I just hope Phil and Fish set us up right for the future with some deals this off-season.
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japanair? come on dog you aint been around for ages. i thought you died? how you gonna just pop up like a wack a mole.............mole and just up and make the offseason thread???
Come on now.
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So is this the official offseason thread then or is there another one?
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Going to be a good off season
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Any other ideas then? Hoops hype seems to be pretty good. Reps to both of you.
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I know it's early in the offseason but I don't like how the media is already putting out an agenda that in order to play with LeBron that guys will have to take less to possibly play for titles and add to his legacy. I'm all for LeBron trying to be as decorated as he can be but to suggest that high level guys (Wade & Bosh included) should take less than their worth to add to Lebrons legacy just seems shallow. Again I know, all media driven, mainly Brian Windhorst & Stephen A. Smith.
Also I don't know if it was intended or not but it seems that to keep great teams together teams are going to have to dip into luxury tax & possibly repeater tax offender territory (which pretty much all owners do not want to pay) so in order to keeps costs down top dollar guys are encouraged to take less so teams can be built. Hence owners not having to pay superstars their fair value to a certain team. If true then I think it's a shrewd ploy by owners.
Also I don't know if it was intended or not but it seems that to keep great teams together teams are going to have to dip into luxury tax & possibly repeater tax offender territory (which pretty much all owners do not want to pay) so in order to keeps costs down top dollar guys are encouraged to take less so teams can be built. Hence owners not having to pay superstars their fair value to a certain team. If true then I think it's a shrewd ploy by owners.
Statis, look how the last two Finals teams are built.
Taking less money.
Bron, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, Allen.
Duncan, Parker, Manu, Diaw.
It ain't coincidence they both made runs man.
This is what you backed with Stern and co. You backed them, don't go switchin sides now.
Taking less money.
Bron, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, Allen.
Duncan, Parker, Manu, Diaw.
It ain't coincidence they both made runs man.
This is what you backed with Stern and co. You backed them, don't go switchin sides now.
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Miami guys took approximately 2 mil less a piece to join initially under the old CBA which really wasn't a paycut at all due to no state income tax in FL. Bosh and Bron are actually making more than they would have in any other state besides TX.
Who outside of Boston was offering Ray Allen more money? No one. Who outside of Miami wants UD? Even the Heat were cost cutting this season getting rid of Miller and Joel. Diaw and Danny Green got a hefty raise from their previous deals with the Spurs as well.
Who outside of Boston was offering Ray Allen more money? No one. Who outside of Miami wants UD? Even the Heat were cost cutting this season getting rid of Miller and Joel. Diaw and Danny Green got a hefty raise from their previous deals with the Spurs as well.
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CP, I totally get what you are saying and understand why San Antonio did it the way they did. Only point I'm making is a lot of these high level guys are still smack dab in their primes and they are being asked to take less, with a CBA & salary cap structure than encourages guys to take the absolute maximum they are worth. Again this system ENCOURAGES players to take every dollar they are worth. It's also a way to get the salary cap to rise over the years. Everyone like to give Kobe heat for taking the deal he did but I get why he did it, it just sucks because Kobe may not be the same Kobe we are used to seeing that makes the deal look bad. What can't be ignored is how much these teams are being sold for these days, pretty much quadruple what they were originally bought for and now we're telling players to take less than what they are worth.
I'm not flip flopping at all but I was just wondering if this is the future path the league is going. Of course I don't agree with it but what worked for San Antonio may not work for every other team.
I'm not flip flopping at all but I was just wondering if this is the future path the league is going. Of course I don't agree with it but what worked for San Antonio may not work for every other team.
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This is kinda what I was getting at. Isn't Miami's owners one of the wealthiest in the league? He's not even willing to pay the repeater tax, not even Mark Cuban. Brooklyn's Russian owner is starting right at the repeater tax issue and all of a sudden reports come out that he's gauging interest in selling the team. Can't be a coincidence, owners are ging to try and avoid that luxury tax threshold at any costs, which is why I asked is this a ploy by owners to keep costs down by telling superstars to take less?
Just a personal conspiracy of mine and this may not mean anything at all.........but yea.
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Nah your right on point. No star in their prime should be forced to take a penny less than their worth when these franchises are being sold for nordinate amounts of cash.
Especially when trying to field a winner or maintain one, money shouldn't be a real issue. All the revenue these guys bring in far outweighs what they are getting paid in salary most of the time anyway, in fact this is going to hurt them in negotiations in the next CBA when they try to argue against the owners and they bring up exhibit A, B, and C of the leagues top guys taking less than what they're worth. Not really a sustainable model and if I'm any of the other players I'm outraged.
Also funny is one guy on the downside takes a 10 million paycut from the max he could have made and is praised. Another guy takes a 9 million paycut from the max he could have made and is vilified. Just interesting. And dudes are expecting Wade to do the same and Bosh to a lesser extent and he isn't even in decline yet, it's quite comical.
Especially when trying to field a winner or maintain one, money shouldn't be a real issue. All the revenue these guys bring in far outweighs what they are getting paid in salary most of the time anyway, in fact this is going to hurt them in negotiations in the next CBA when they try to argue against the owners and they bring up exhibit A, B, and C of the leagues top guys taking less than what they're worth. Not really a sustainable model and if I'm any of the other players I'm outraged.
Also funny is one guy on the downside takes a 10 million paycut from the max he could have made and is praised. Another guy takes a 9 million paycut from the max he could have made and is vilified. Just interesting. And dudes are expecting Wade to do the same and Bosh to a lesser extent and he isn't even in decline yet, it's quite comical.
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This team isnt as old as you think, and Pop has clearly figured out how to manage the minutes so there will be no fatigue factor come playoff time. Look at the Heat, their big three played 10,000 more minutes than ours, and that is not only a result of them having deep playoff runs, but how much MPG they logged period. Our bench has proven that they can fill in for the starters and still win the games, I would even say that the bench led by pop would be a playoff team.
Parker honestly looked hurt these playoffs, it was never a story, because it didnt need to be one, we dominated, but the fact still stands that he looked like the left leg and ankle were bothering him. He'll have time to rest and heal up. Manu looks good, Tim looks good, Kawhi's emergence, I dont really see what could possibly hold this team back for making another run at a championship.
The offseason will be interesting to say the least. I dont think Tim Duncan opts out, he wants that money and he has EARNED that money, and should take it. IDK where Patty Mills and Boris Diaws heads are at, they've earned themselves some good paydays( Mills especially), but I would love to see them come back.
It goes without saying that I disagree with CP regarding the Spurs and their ability to make a 3rd straight finals trip, and this article is a key reason why. The most important thing is continuity, if this same roster comes back next year, then I wholeheartedly believe that we will be back in the Finals, unless the Clippers and Thunder make drastic additions to their roster.[h1]Offseason outlook: San Antonio Spurs[/h1]
2014 NBA OFFSEASON, GREGG POPOVICH, KAWHI LEONARD, MANU GINOBILI, PATTY MILLS, ROB MAHONEY,SAN ANTONIO SPURS, TIM DUNCAN, TONY PARKER
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Tim Duncan, 38, has a $10 million player option for next season. (David Sherman/NBAE via Getty Images)
Here’s a look at what’s in store for the Spurs this offseason after their victory over the Heat in the NBA Finals.
Free agents: Tim Duncan (PO), Tony Parker (nonguaranteed, very unlikely to be released), Boris Diaw (UFA), Patty Mills (UFA), Matt Bonner (UFA), Aron Baynes (possible RFA)
Early termination option (ETO) — Allows a player to terminate his contract early.
Player option (PO) — Allows a player to accept or decline the final year of his deal.
Team option (TO) — Allows a team to accept or decline an option year.
Unrestricted free agent (UFA) — Allowed to sign with the team of his choosing.
Restricted free agent (RFA) — Subject to the right of first refusal from incumbent team.
Cap situation: Working room
Draft picks: No. 30, No. 58, No. 60
• What’s the biggest priority for San Antonio this offseason?
Continuity. That’s an odd thing to say of a championship team with two vital players who will be 37 or older by the end of the summer, but San Antonio can ride out the careers of Duncan and Manu Ginobili while remaining competitive. Parker can step into an even larger role if needed.NBA Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard, who turns 23 in two weeks, is evolving by the minute and already registers the impact of a star. Moves will need to be made eventually to transition one era of Spurs basketball to the next, but they can wait if Duncan and Ginobili are willing to go another round. Assuming that’s the case, San Antonio would contend for the Western Conference crown again. Earning a return trip to the Finals, however, should prove even more difficult against a crop of contenders (including the Thunder, Warriors, Clippers and Rockets) with room to grow.
TAYLOR: Greatness of the Duncan-Popovich tandem
The title defense starts with securing the status quo. Diaw and Mills were instrumental in the playoff run, especially Diaw during the Finals. The 32-year-old forward is in a position to command more than the $4.1 million he made this season, and the Spurs — who have a tidy cap sheet — may be in a position to oblige him. Determining Diaw’s market value, however, is tricky. A big man with his playmaking abilities could be useful in many contexts, but because of a well-honed system predicated on ball movement and spacing, San Antonio is suited to maximize those talents in a way that other teams are not. Otherwise, Diaw isn’t a rim protector, doesn’t pile up rebounds (he averaged just 5.9 per 36 minutes this season) and rarely acts as a concerted scorer. How much is a player like that worth to any team that isn’t the Spurs?
• How can the Spurs improve this offseason? Through free agency? The draft? Trade?
Free agency or trade. The Spurs’ cap figure depends largely on Duncan’s decision (he has a $10 million player option) and Diaw’s negotiations. If he’s feeling particularly generous, Duncan could decline his option and commit to an even smaller deal, freeing San Antonio to lock up players like Diaw and Mills while exploring a wider range of free-agent options. If Duncan accepts his option, however, Diaw and Mills could wind up eating into much of the team’s theoretical room under the cap. That said, while Diaw and Mills are helpful players, they are notso essential as to leave San Antonio without other options; it is possible that both are let go as the Spurs engage other free-agent targets.
MAHONEY: LeBron, Heat face uncertain future
Regardless, the Spurs tend to redeem incredible value no matter their amount of financial flexibility. Diaw, Mills and Danny Green were all brought in on minimum deals. Tiago Splitter was had for a portion of the mid-level exception. The front office does an impeccable job of identifying affordable players who fit its system — many of whom were discarded by other teams. The trade market could provide another means of acquiring underutilized talent, with Splitter, Green and Marco Belinelli all enticing players on reasonable contracts. Splitter and Green wouldn’t be dealt easily because they fill such valuable roles for San Antonio, but it’s not out of the question for some trade partner to overpay for a contributor with championship glow.
And, of course: Should Duncan decide to retire, all bets are off. It’s impossible to project a Spurs team without Duncan (and possibly without coach Gregg Popovich) because we haven’t seen San Antonio’s management team operate without that all-time great anchor at the center of its play and culture. If Duncan calls it a career, “improvement” would come secondary to a franchise rebirth.
• Will the Spurs sign Leonard to an extension?
This summer marks San Antonio’s first chance to extend Leonard’s rookie-scale contract. (If no agreement is reached, Leonard would become a restricted free agent in July 2015.) No player is more important to the Spurs’ future than Leonard. Even if he lacks the skills as a shot creator to function as a traditional star, his intuition, developmental curve and fill-the-gaps game make him one of the league’s most intriguing players. One could easily argue that Leonard deserves the max, with Paul George’s lucrative extension with the Pacers serving as a template.
The George comparison is a fair one. The two up-and-comers are asked to play different roles, but within those responsibilities both are skilled shooters, developing ball handlers, terrific positional rebounders and worthy All-Defensive team selections. Leonard might not be at George’s level in some respects, but he’s an attractive piece to build around because of his ability to be whatever the Spurs need from possession to possession. General manager R.C. Buford will ensure that Leonard sticks around, but the Spurs have an impressive track record of persuading quality players to accept less than their market value. Perhaps the same will be true in this case, whether a deal is struck this summer or through restricted free agency next year.
This team isnt as old as you think, and Pop has clearly figured out how to manage the minutes so there will be no fatigue factor come playoff time. Look at the Heat, their big three played 10,000 more minutes than ours, and that is not only a result of them having deep playoff runs, but how much MPG they logged period. Our bench has proven that they can fill in for the starters and still win the games, I would even say that the bench led by pop would be a playoff team.
Parker honestly looked hurt these playoffs, it was never a story, because it didnt need to be one, we dominated, but the fact still stands that he looked like the left leg and ankle were bothering him. He'll have time to rest and heal up. Manu looks good, Tim looks good, Kawhi's emergence, I dont really see what could possibly hold this team back for making another run at a championship.
The offseason will be interesting to say the least. I dont think Tim Duncan opts out, he wants that money and he has EARNED that money, and should take it. IDK where Patty Mills and Boris Diaws heads are at, they've earned themselves some good paydays( Mills especially), but I would love to see them come back.
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The terms of the contract decide when you have to let teams know. Tim Duncans contract allows him until the 26th to let the Spurs know.
The Heat need to go into the offseason with the mindset that 20 million of their cap is already being used, because I dont think there is any way that D wade doesnt take that money. He would be a fool and the nicest person ever to not take that money. This is his last chance at a big payday, and if it wasnt for him, there would be no Big 3.
This a Kobe Bryant "Thank you for your services" contract. He sure isnt worth the money, but cant really say that he does not deserve it.
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Splitter's piece of the pie :x
You need another year of perfect health. A 39 year old Duncan, 37 Manu, 32 Parker. The only player that is going to improve is Kawhi. (and he could grow quite well)
Diaw has to stay in good health. Mills has to resign.
And what you are forgetting is the key. They are no longer hungry/desperate to get payback like they were this year. That's gone. Now they will have to fight to keep their edge, at this age, with this mileage, and now they become the team that has played X number of games the last 3 years, vs other younger teams like the Clippers, Thunder, etc with younger legs, and lesser mileage.
You saw the Heat. They looked fine in round 1, 2, and wavered slightly in round 3. Then fell off the face of the earth. That's how it happens, all at once. I already pointed out the other teams and how they fared.
89 Lakers
91 Pistons
96 Rockets
11 Lakers
14 Heat
A total of 1 single win in their final series. And those were teams even younger than the Spurs. And they ALL had great coaches, so it's not like Pop is going to be able to out maneuver all of them with his minutes usage.
What's really funny is your lack of critical thinking.
One guy took 10 less, praised, one guy took 9 less, villified, boo hoo hoo........
One guy makes 10, one guy makes 23 point ******* 5. Why don't you try mentioning that part?
Math is simple. If one guy is willing to take 23 and 25 million in a 65 mil-ish cap, that's more than the guy that takes 10 mil of that same 65, right? Right.
So what team(s) have more space to bring in talent around those pieces? The one with 10, exactly.
Stop trying to make it look like his deal isn't a tremendously stupid deal. You look ridiculous doing so.
LeBron has every right to demand whatever amount he wants. But he has to know that if he does, somewhere, another team is talking their guys into taking less, so they can add more pieces, and then they will be able to overcome what LeBron can do on the court, and nothing he can do to stop that, unless he takes less money.
Sad as it may be, that is the system Stern and the owners got in place. Which is why the CBA was mocked rather loudly when it went thru. If the players want to win, they have to take less money, no way around it anymore.
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See I think the desire to remain at the top of the heap for the last Duncan/Pop year is enough to fuel them. Motivation can come from anywhere, and theres no one that wouldnt want to see those guys go out on top.
The Spurs minutes are going to be up there, but I think that they know this and will take steps to alleviate the stress on those guys. All three will be sitting out games completely, this wont be a LeBron and Bosh scenario where theyre out there every night playing 39 minutes fighting for seeding.
I'm optimistic that Mills does come back, even though he could really make more money elsewhere, same goes for Diaw. Even with the age and minutes discrepancy, I dont think the Clippers have the talent to compete with San Antonio, OKC is a different story however. They are the only roadblock between us and the championship.
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