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Sorry guys for repetitive posts.. stupid phone
PALESTINIAN GENOCIDE - ISRAELI-TERRORISM AWARENESS THREAD
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israel spews the exact same propaganda. how are u just going to ignore that. they still engrain in theyre children's minds that gaza and lebanon belong to them, but it doesnt. all this land was clearly arab land 80 years ago. they still want to go occupy lebanon. but your ignorant and think hamas is the only one capable of commiting terror. israel reigns terror on palestinians, they are the true terrorists. but ur just going to ignore israeli propaganda and its wrongdoings, and probably this message
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At least we pro Palestinian debaters acknowledge Hamas' wrongdoings and how it is unjustifiable and unlawful to use rockets to aim at civilians.
Ido not recall one pro Israeli debater condemning Israel's killings of civilians and instead spew Israeli military propaganda and lies claiming no responsibility and blaming Hamas for it. When those points were clearly debunked over and over in here. That's how you dehumanize the Palestinians and clearly none of you believe they have any value. Quite deplorable and disgusting. If this was Israeli civilians instead it'd be a whole different story to you guys.
Ido not recall one pro Israeli debater condemning Israel's killings of civilians and instead spew Israeli military propaganda and lies claiming no responsibility and blaming Hamas for it. When those points were clearly debunked over and over in here. That's how you dehumanize the Palestinians and clearly none of you believe they have any value. Quite deplorable and disgusting. If this was Israeli civilians instead it'd be a whole different story to you guys.
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You dont post any specific examples and when I post specific examples showing you that you are wrong you ignore it.
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Man, you really are something else. I'm waiting for the inevitable Mr Marcus post coming in here to rep your posts and toot your horn. I can reason with Me Love Nutella, because he can at least condemn Hamas and not stand by a world known terrorist organization. His posts also don't scream out anybody who doesn't support Hamas/Palestinians as terrorists.
My first thought is, why are you calling out people for supporting Israel just because they aren't Jewish or Israeli? What does that have anything to do with it? Can I not support Ukraine in its fight against Russia, even though I am neither of them?
You call out these people who are neither for supporting blowing up innocent peoples homes. What is Hamas one and only goal? To target civilians and blow up their homes with their rockets. A bit contradictory if you ask me. Why would they support a country who's sole point is to eliminate the other? Please don't tell me Israel is trying to wipe out Palestine and Gaza completely, because they could do in an instant. It would have been done, and they wouldn't be going through the measures they do to make sure more civilians aren't dying. If you ask me, it's actually pretty amazing there aren't more civilian deaths considering how you keep mentioning how densly populated Gaza is with its 1.8 million people. There could be a lot more and yes, even the 800 innocents who have been killed are not deserving, and I condemn that, but it happens in war. (Once again, don't twist my words by saying they deserve to die)
I have not seen ONCE in this entire thread acknowledge that your side of the equation isn't as peaceful as you keep trying to portray them. I've said numerous times, both sides have their faults, however, one more then the other. You have not in any post mention that Hamas does more damage then good to its own people. I'm sorry you have family members that live there and have to deal with this. That doesn't make it right for you to continuously keep calling out all Israeli supporters and portray them as some type of monsters.
You keep on saying how do you expect these Palestinian kids to act. What about the other side? How do you think these Israeli kids will grow up when they were literally born in bomb shelters in a hospital? Having 15 seconds to run to the nearest shelter while they are at school learning? Seeing their friends get kidnapped and then celebrated. Turn on Arab TV stations and have a cartoon that emphasizes killing Jews. Theres two sides to this, one that you can't seem to acknowledge.
So all you keep hearing is tunnels this tunnels that.....What do you have to say about the 600,000 tons of concrete used for these tunnels to target innocent civilians, when that could have been used to build the city where your family lives? How do you feel about that?
You say many in here are blindly supporting terrorism. What does that make you? Supporting unblind terrorism, because Hamas is a well known terrorist organization throughout the world.
You say that no Israeli supporters in here any bit of empathy for the civilians dying. Have you read any of my posts? Have you seen some of the protests in Tel-Aviv where thousands of Jews are coming out and are in rage against this war? I don't see any coming from Palestine. All I see there are celebrations when the Tel Aviv airport is closed, false kidnapping celebrations and Day of Rages.
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heres your specific example... its already been posted. if you are really ignorant enough to believe that israel doesnt spew propaganda then you really shouldnt even partake in this debate.
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Here's another example which I previously posted.
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/terrifying-tweets-israeli.html
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once again, I don't like that either but if I had to compare the two I'd still say the Hamas video is FAR worse considering it promotes the indiscriminate killing of Jews where-as the video you posted is all hypothetical situations where the children would be fighting against soldiers.
I don't like either video though
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what are the palestinians suppose to condemn about hamas. the fact that they attempt to protect their people? those rockets do nothing, everyone knows it. at this point the rockets more symbolic than detrimental. yes the air port closing is great bc while israel is destroying another country, their citizens should feel some type of repercussions to gain insight into what theyre gov is doing. hamas did not order or approve of the kidnappings, so they shouldnt have to apologize. so i will not condemn hamas, but do i support them? no. Do the majority of the civilians in gaza support them and they are the ones being massacred? yes they do. so they obviously appreciate some one standing up for them and see something in hamas that many outsiders do not see. But u expect palestinians to show 0 resistance as they get blown off the face of the earth.
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How about condemning them about the video I posted in response to you?
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its not FAR worse its the exact same thing. both are children endoctrined with killing another race. so there you go trying to stick up for israels wrongdoing by condemning something else. both are the exact same thing but your too close minded to see it. and @eracism asked for proof, there it is
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Dude, enough with that video. Theres kids on both sides that say things they shouldn't. It's a shame they are brought up this way and born into it. Just because one side says some horrible things, doesn't make it right for the other. This is why it's a revolving door and there won't be peace.
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i did, but what do you want them to do? I know if i lived where somebody killed my mom, dad, brother, sister and best friend at the age of 5. I would want to kill and get revenge. that is the majority of the palestinian kids. now how many israeli even know someone who got killed by palestinians. its easy to judge from the outside in, but untill u have your mom killed in front of you, dont tell me you wouldnt have hatred in your heart
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exactly! your using logic. i didnt ask for the video and it was just a reply to people using hamas propaganda as evidence
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,Of course it is awful and not cool what Israelis have to live through when they fear rocket attacks. However, does not come close or compare to what the average Palestinian lives through.
But the root of this all is the occupation and what the Palestinians live through as a result of it.
Ceasing the occupation and giving back lands would mostly solve many of the issues of this conflict. Then again, Israel loses from peace so they do not want it.
Hamas have rejected the mantra of destroying Israel when they were elected and they would agree to a two-state solution from what i have gathered. But Israel just says nope you're a terrorist organization we do not want to talk to you. That's how they keep furthering their agenda to justify the occupation and grabbing more Palestinian land. Why are they still building and expanding settlements on illegally occupied land?
Look at Sinn Fein and the ANC who had armed factions and militancy to oppose and fight against who they were oppressed by. With negotiations and getting concessions that appealed to them, they disarmed and peace was restored.
When this war ends, Israelis will go back to their beautiful beaches, shopping, clubs, fun and leisure. What will the Palestinian Gazans go through? The daily life of the occupation, abysmal poverty, and living in the rubble and destruction of the aftermath of war with their families and friends having being murdered.So who's suffering more?
To me, it is just about humanity and how these civilians are going through a bludgeoning of death with no regards for their lives. They are the sacrificial lambs... for what? ??
And I am a she.
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Ya you were saying it is present on BOTH sides since Rhythym was implying only Palestinians have this culture. So you showed him the evidence he wanted. Yet he still justified the video and ignored the tweet article from Israeli teens i posted calling to murder all Arabs.
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Both sides are at fault but Palestine is taking the L.
Who do you think will benefit the most from backing down?
Who do you think will benefit the most from backing down?
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Hamas never gains from backing down or fighting either way. Israel is taking big Ls too.
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Of course it is awful and not cool what Israelis have to live through when they fear rocket attacks. However, does not come close or compare to what the average Palestinian lives through.
But the root of this all is the occupation and what the Palestinians live through as a result of it.
Ceasing the occupation and giving back lands would mostly solve many of the issues of this conflict. Then again, Israel loses from peace so they do not want it.
Hamas have rejected the mantra of destroying Israel when they were elected and they would agree to a two-state solution from what i have gathered. But Israel just says nope you're a terrorist organization we do not want to talk to you. That's how they keep furthering their agenda to justify the occupation and grabbing more Palestinian land. Why are they still building and expanding settlements on illegally occupied land?
Look at Sinn Fein and the ANC who had armed factions and militancy to oppose and fight against who they were oppressed by. With negotiations and getting concessions that appealed to them, they disarmed and peace was restored.
When this war ends, Israelis will go back to their beautiful beaches, shopping, clubs, fun and leisure. What will the Palestinian Gazans go through? The daily life of the occupation, abysmal poverty, and living in the rubble and destruction of the aftermath of war with their families and friends having being murdered.So who's suffering more?
To me, it is just about humanity and how these civilians are going through a bludgeoning of death with no regards for their lives. They are the sacrificial lambs... for what? ??
And I am a she.
Oops, my apologies. Like I said in my previous post, I have no problems with anything you say, as you are clearly much more reasonable to respond to compared to AnimalThug. I can understand why you feel the way you do, and make the points you do, although I may not agree with some of them.
You mention the occupation and giving back land. Can you at least see from the other side, where an occupation is needed. Look in the West Bank. As unfortunate that it is that there is an Israeli military presence, they have to be there in order to protect THEIR citizens. Like I mentioned in previous posts, the wall they built to separate the two. It's a huge eye sore, but the proof is there in how much it has de-escalated the amount of terrorism flowing through the boarder. Israel has to do whats in the best interest for them and the people of Israel.
They withdrew from Gaza in 2006 and physically removed all Jewish settlers, and look what happened.
Now to the settlements in the West Bank... you got me there, I don't agree with them either. There will never be peace as long as they keep building within those confines. Israelis think its theirs to begin with and whether it is or not... nothing positive comes out from building there.
Yes, when this ends, Israelis will go back to their daily life and Palestinians will continue to mourn and see their homes destroyed. I feel bad for them. I really do. The innocent ones at least. There is no doubt that the Palestinians are suffering more, you don't have to be pro Israeli or pro Palestinian to see or acknowledge that. It's difficult for both sides though. Something AnimalThug can't see.
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Umm... What L comparative to infrastructure destroyed and 1000+ dead?
These delusional pro Hamas posters come with the weirdest logic.
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respectOops, my apologies. Like I said in my previous post, I have no problems with anything you say, as you are clearly much more reasonable to respond to compared to AnimalThug. I can understand why you feel the way you do, and make the points you do, although I may not agree with some of them.@useref15,
Of course it is awful and not cool what Israelis have to live through when they fear rocket attacks. However, does not come close or compare to what the average Palestinian lives through.
But the root of this all is the occupation and what the Palestinians live through as a result of it.
Ceasing the occupation and giving back lands would mostly solve many of the issues of this conflict. Then again, Israel loses from peace so they do not want it.
Hamas have rejected the mantra of destroying Israel when they were elected and they would agree to a two-state solution from what i have gathered. But Israel just says nope you're a terrorist organization we do not want to talk to you. That's how they keep furthering their agenda to justify the occupation and grabbing more Palestinian land. Why are they still building and expanding settlements on illegally occupied land?
Look at Sinn Fein and the ANC who had armed factions and militancy to oppose and fight against who they were oppressed by. With negotiations and getting concessions that appealed to them, they disarmed and peace was restored.
When this war ends, Israelis will go back to their beautiful beaches, shopping, clubs, fun and leisure. What will the Palestinian Gazans go through? The daily life of the occupation, abysmal poverty, and living in the rubble and destruction of the aftermath of war with their families and friends having being murdered.So who's suffering more?
To me, it is just about humanity and how these civilians are going through a bludgeoning of death with no regards for their lives. They are the sacrificial lambs... for what? ??
And I am a she.
You mention the occupation and giving back land. Can you at least see from the other side, where an occupation is needed. Look in the West Bank. As unfortunate that it is that there is an Israeli military presence, they have to be there in order to protect THEIR citizens. Like I mentioned in previous posts, the wall they built to separate the two. It's a huge eye sore, but the proof is there in how much it has de-escalated the amount of terrorism flowing through the boarder. Israel has to do whats in the best interest for them and the people of Israel.
They withdrew from Gaza in 2006 and physically removed all Jewish settlers, and look what happened.
Now to the settlements in the West Bank... you got me there, I don't agree with them either. There will never be peace as long as they keep building within those confines. Israelis think its theirs to begin with and whether it is or not... nothing positive comes out from building there.
Yes, when this ends, Israelis will go back to their daily life and Palestinians will continue to mourn and see their homes destroyed. I feel bad for them. I really do. The innocent ones at least. There is no doubt that the Palestinians are suffering more, you don't have to be pro Israeli or pro Palestinian to see or acknowledge that. It's difficult for both sides though. Something AnimalThug can't see.
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I think this is all you guys really need to hear. I wonder what AnimalThug thinks about this video.
It must be some bias Israeli....oh wait, it is actually the son of the Hamas founder.
It must be some bias Israeli....oh wait, it is actually the son of the Hamas founder.
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Inb4 the son of Hamas founder is a Zionist traitor who is really a jew
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Well let's just say he is quite brainwashed. He worked for the Israeli intelligence service for 10 yrs. Just listening to that video, so much misinformation.
Hamas' s whole destruction of Israel and eradicating it is really taken out of context. Hamas mainly want Palestinian freedom and independence from Israel’s military occupation.
Here is a good article and insight into what Hamas wants: http://m.democracynow.org/stories/14515
Then again each side will want to choose what they want to believe and what lens to view all this. So everyone is set in their own thinking.
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Hamas is not in a position to bargain. They are the weaker half of this conflict, so how are they gonna make demands when they gonna take an L regardless? They have enough money, manpower and logistics for weapons though.....
